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locked Re: Group archive visibility (was Find Group listing) #suggestion

 

On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:

Since the avowed purpose of the restriction is to protect the privacy of member's content, allowing the archives to be opened to non-members as long as the owner is the only member makes a lot of sense.

I'd go further and allow the archives to be opened to non-members as long as the only postings in the archives were made by owners or moderators; or are older than the date/time the archives were last made members-only. The first condition would allow having a larger team work on the start-up of the group. The second condition would allow an established group to correct an accidental (or malicious) switch to members-only archives - perhaps at the cost of deleting a few messages that arrived after the switch.

I think at least allowing a group to be switched if the group owner is the only member is reasonable (and easy enough to check for). The other criteria gets a lot more complicated, programmatically.  I've added it to the todo list.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: How does one follow a topic or hashtag?

 

Duane,

I don't see a way to Follow a thread though.
LOL, which brings us full circle to my original post. Turns out the buttons are only visible when you've opened a thread from the Inbox view.

Because I have this subscription set to No Email possibly?
Possibly. The current implementation is tied to one's Email Delivery setting, and I think that ought not be so.

-- Shal


locked Re: "Your groups"

 

I changed it to 'Your Subscriptions'. I think that's definitely better, because on that page you can modify your subscriptions. I think 'Your Groups' in the black header makes sense because you use that to go to a particular group.

Unless someone has a better idea. :)

Thanks,
Mark

On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 1:29 AM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@...> wrote:
Having it explained that way, I agree.

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Shal Farley [mailto:shal@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 3:38 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: RE: [beta] "Your groups"

Judy,

> I like Subscriptions, sometimes "generic" is better.

I think I'd go with "Your Subscriptions" or even "Your Group Subscriptions"
- at least for the page tab. For the menu drop-down, where space is more at
a premium, "Subscriptions" alone may be sufficient.

I think the word "Your" serves to cue the user that this is a list of things
they already have. Otherwise ones eyes might scan right past it, thinking it
refers to things you're not looking for right now.

Like the "All My Groups" page in Yahoo Groups, I expect the "Your Groups"
(or "Your Group Subscriptions") page to be an essential resource  - at least
for those users with more than one group subscription. It should always be
one of the easy places for a novice user to find.

-- Shal











locked Re: Glitch in Members

Mark Fletcher
 

On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
I know double posting is a no-no, but felt it would be better to preserve the first one for comparison.

I didn't notice the little box at the lower right when I composed the above message online.  I'm used to using Plain Text.  Now that I'm aware it's there, I'll try to remember to switch it, unless it will remember my preference from my last post.  Even then I'll try to remember to check it before posting.

No worries. I actually just added that (you can switch the posting box from HTML to plain text, assuming the group supports HTML at all). It does not currently remember your setting, but that's on the todo list. I assume you composed your message and then saw the box and toggled it? It doesn't currently convert whatever you've typed so far into plain text.

Back to the original message. I just checked and could not duplicate your duplication bug. Let me know if there is a specific set of steps needed to duplicate it.

As for downloading members, it is currently restricted to confirmed users. Would you like it to be all users instead?

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: How does one follow a topic or hashtag?

Duane
 

Thanks, Shal.  I hadn't thought of that angle.  I don't see a way to Follow a thread though.  Because I have this subscription set to No Email possibly?


Duane



locked Re: Glitch in Members

Duane
 

I know double posting is a no-no, but felt it would be better to preserve the first one for comparison.

I didn't notice the little box at the lower right when I composed the above message online. I'm used to using Plain Text. Now that I'm aware it's there, I'll try to remember to switch it, unless it will remember my preference from my last post. Even then I'll try to remember to check it before posting.

Duane


locked Re: How does one follow a topic or hashtag?

 

Duane,

I was baffled by the references to following and muting until I
realized that I probably won't see any of that since I have most of
my subscriptions set to NoEmail and the other 2 are set to All Email.
"Following" is still useful for those read by web - there's the "Followed Threads" tab of the Inbox page which can give you a concise list of the things you're interested in (rather than having to plow through the entire Inbox). "Muting", not so much.

-- Shal


locked Glitch in Members

Duane
 

<p>I happened to notice a glitch in the Members page on 2 of my groups.&nbsp; One has 4 duplications (50 members shown), the other has 3 (46 members shown) when viewed online.&nbsp; When I download to a csv, the duplicates don't show up.&nbsp; I also noticed that those who are Not Confirmed don't show in the downloaded file.&nbsp; If I sort the online page by user, I see the duplicates.&nbsp; If I sort by email, I don't.&nbsp; However, the number of lines shown is the same.&nbsp; I'm still digging to try to figure out where the differences are and maybe why they occurred.<br></p><p><br></p><p>Duane</p><p><br></p>


locked Group archive visibility (was Find Group listing) #suggestion

 

whofanvidme,

It would be nice to have a temporary 'beta' mode which could be
switched from private to public, since it's not always clear which
would be the best option until after a group has been built up a
little bit.
Your observation is a little bit off-topic, the topic being the Find a group (directory) listing - and a group can be switched between listed and unlisted at any time. Nevertheless, you've hit one of my pet peeves so I'll change the subject line and roll with it.

It's like being forced to name your child at conception with no
option to legally change it once you've learned the sex. You don't
necessarily want a group to be visible while it's being furnished
with content, but it's pretty much your only option at the moment.
Great analogy, and I agree. Having these "one-way traps" (you cannot open the group's archives to non-members once they've been restricted to members-only) are an impediment to group formation, and a real source of friction and confusion for novice group owners.

Perhaps it could be allowed as long as the owner was the only member,
for a specific period of time, or could simply provide new members
with a warning that anything posted to the group may eventually be
made public.
Since the avowed purpose of the restriction is to protect the privacy of member's content, allowing the archives to be opened to non-members as long as the owner is the only member makes a lot of sense.

I'd go further and allow the archives to be opened to non-members as long as the only postings in the archives were made by owners or moderators; or are older than the date/time the archives were last made members-only. The first condition would allow having a larger team work on the start-up of the group. The second condition would allow an established group to correct an accidental (or malicious) switch to members-only archives - perhaps at the cost of deleting a few messages that arrived after the switch.

-- Shal


locked Re: Site updates #changelog

 

Thanks! It isn't work if it's fun.

Mark

On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

Mark,

You more than deserve to sit down with the drink of your choice after all that.  I can appreciate the work that goes into keeping all the details straight.  Sometimes a "simple" change or enhancement requires a lot of background work.  Computers being what they are, they don't know that you really meant for that ; to be a :  Many Thanks to you for taking this on.  I think you've got another hit on your hands.  Please don't push yourself too hard though, we need you!


Duane




locked Re: Tracking features/bugs

 

Changed it.

Thanks,
Mark

On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 8:10 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

Minor suggestion.  On your Trello page, there's a note about "Easy Group Transfers".  It doesn't specifically mention Yahoo, though I think most of us understand that's the intent.  I moved some of my groups to BigTent when I left Yahoo, so the format is totally different and wouldn't work the same..  I wouldn't expect you to be able to transfer things, but others might assume you could.


I, for one, really like having that page to refer to.  It allows me to get a glimpse of your thought process and the direction things are moving.


Thanks,

Duane




locked Re: Tracking features/bugs

Duane
 

Minor suggestion.  On your Trello page, there's a note about "Easy Group Transfers".  It doesn't specifically mention Yahoo, though I think most of us understand that's the intent.  I moved some of my groups to BigTent when I left Yahoo, so the format is totally different and wouldn't work the same.  I wouldn't expect you to be able to transfer things, but others might assume you could.


I, for one, really like having that page to refer to.  It allows me to get a glimpse of your thought process and the direction things are moving.


Thanks,

Duane



locked Re: How does one follow a topic or hashtag?

Duane
 

Like Brenda, I prefer to use the web site and go to each group to see the archives.  I think she may be confused about the reference to the Inbox though.  Mark was referring to "the 'Inbox' view on the Groups.io website" which you see at https://groups.io/ once you're signed in.  I've started using it to see where there's been any activity, but still go to each group to read the posts.


I was baffled by the references to following and muting until I realized that I probably won't see any of that since I have most of my subscriptions set to NoEmail and the other 2 are set to All Email.  I did that so I wouldn't be "wasting" bandwidth to receive messages, especially those that contain little new information in replies, but a mile long original thread.  Even these days, there are some of us that have slow and/or limited access to the internet.  One of the benefits of living in the boonies outside a small town. ;>)


Duane



locked Re: Find Group listing #suggestion

Duane
 

It would be acceptable to me to allow the change from private to public only if there are no messages.  That way you could play with things to see if/how it fits for you.  You could have others in the group to help with the testing.  Kick all the tires, delete all posts, and do the switch.  There shouldn't be any privacy concerns that way.


Duane



locked Re: Find Group listing #suggestion

 

It would be nice to have a temporary 'beta' mode which could be switched from private to public, since it's not always clear which would be the best option until after a group has been built up a little bit. It's like being forced to name your child at conception with no option to legally change it once you've learned the sex. You don't necessarily want a group to be visible while it's being furnished with content, but it's pretty much your only option at the moment.

Perhaps it could be allowed as long as the owner was the only member, for a specific period of time, or could simply provide new members with a warning that anything posted to the group may eventually be made public. I know I would probably switch my group from private to public if I now had the option. I just went with the same settings as the Yahoo! Groups version for consistency.



locked "Your Groups"

Linda
 

Hello,
"Your Groups" is fine on the black navigation bar, where you make your selection.

https://groups.io/groups is a composite view so "All Your Groups" would work well there, whereas using Subscriptions would be confusing because Subscription is a sidebar element.

Linda


locked Re: "Your groups"

Judy F.
 

Having it explained that way, I agree.

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Shal Farley [mailto:shal@roadrunner.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 3:38 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: RE: [beta] "Your groups"

Judy,

I like Subscriptions, sometimes "generic" is better.
I think I'd go with "Your Subscriptions" or even "Your Group Subscriptions"
- at least for the page tab. For the menu drop-down, where space is more at
a premium, "Subscriptions" alone may be sufficient.

I think the word "Your" serves to cue the user that this is a list of things
they already have. Otherwise ones eyes might scan right past it, thinking it
refers to things you're not looking for right now.

Like the "All My Groups" page in Yahoo Groups, I expect the "Your Groups"
(or "Your Group Subscriptions") page to be an essential resource - at least
for those users with more than one group subscription. It should always be
one of the easy places for a novice user to find.

-- Shal


locked Re: "Your groups"

 

Judy,

I like Subscriptions, sometimes "generic" is better.
I think I'd go with "Your Subscriptions" or even "Your Group Subscriptions" - at least for the page tab. For the menu drop-down, where space is more at a premium, "Subscriptions" alone may be sufficient.

I think the word "Your" serves to cue the user that this is a list of things they already have. Otherwise ones eyes might scan right past it, thinking it refers to things you're not looking for right now.

Like the "All My Groups" page in Yahoo Groups, I expect the "Your Groups" (or "Your Group Subscriptions") page to be an essential resource - at least for those users with more than one group subscription. It should always be one of the easy places for a novice user to find.

-- Shal


locked Re: Delivery Options

Judy F.
 

Not for me either and also for those who aren’t real comfortable with a computer.  Like someone said, Keep It Simple.

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Feathered Leader [mailto:featheredleader@...]
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 10:50 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Re: Delivery Options

 

Dan wrote:>>As for understanding the different settings and what they mean, isn't that the purpose of the wiki? We've seen the value of such explanations with the wiki that was created for 'neo'.<<

Not for me. I can't understand the Wiki at all. It's so over my head I'm on the ocean floor. ;)

Brenda


locked Re: "Your groups"

Judy F.
 

I like Subscriptions, sometimes ‘generic’ is better.

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 8:03 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] "Your groups"

 

Frances,

 

I agree. The duplication doesn't look right. I think "Groups Details" may work, although two plural words together look a little strange to me. So I've been trying to think of another term for that screen. The best I could think of was 'Subscriptions', although that's a little generic. What do you think?

 

Thanks,

Mark

 

On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Frances <travel@...> wrote:

Hi Mark,

This label “Your Groups" is duplicated in the navigation, but used to access different information.

On the black nav bar, it goes to a drop-down menu of your groups.
In the Inbox, it goes to useful details of your groups - your role, whether moderated or not (“approvals needed”), group size, number of recent messages and your delivery option.

I suggest you give these different labels. Perhaps keep “Your Groups” on the nav bar and use “Groups details” or something similar for the Inbox label.

This will help people navigate better on the website.

Frances