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Re: "Your groups"
Judy F.
I like Subscriptions, sometimes ‘generic’ is better.
Judy F. SW Florida - USA
From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
Frances,
I agree. The duplication doesn't look right. I think "Groups Details" may work, although two plural words together look a little strange to me. So I've been trying to think of another term for that screen. The best I could think of was 'Subscriptions', although that's a little generic. What do you think?
Thanks, Mark
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Frances <travel@...> wrote: Hi Mark,
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Re: Delivery Options
I have a suspicion that this group, Beta, will eventually become the place that members, and especially owners and moderators, come to for advice like that. Oh, I expect it will evolve some, and maybe it will change names to something like 'Questions & Answers', but the knowledge and understanding here will always be important for new folks. Just my observation and a guess at the future.
Dano
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Re: Delivery Options
Dan wrote:>>As for understanding the different settings and what they mean, isn't that the purpose of the wiki? We've seen the value of such explanations with the wiki that was created for 'neo'.<< Not for me. I can't understand the Wiki at all. It's so over my head I'm on the ocean floor. ;) Brenda
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Re: RSVP feature
#suggestion
Depends on your goals. If you are trying to encourage people to leave Yahoo Groups and come here, which believe me, we are, it has to have most if not all of the things that people used there. A solid list server to me, sounds like a mailing list. Groups in Yahoo were so much more. They collected data, stored it on site, photos, files, databases, etc. they were our homes and they were bulldozed. Mark's goal is to make it what people want, and make it a success. Therefore, listening to the ones from Yahoo who have either fled already or are about to, is to his benefit. The simple fact that so many people have clung to what is left of Yahoo Groups is testament to how badly we needed what was offered there. And the reason we haven't left is it hasn't been offered anywhere else. Not one group site has EVERYTHING we lost in our Groups. Not one. But this one has that potential, and is well on the way to being somewhere people might actually migrate to. And Mark already has the key thing to making it a success. Listening to and acting upon feedback by the users/beta testers, etc. He certainly has that down, for sure. Brenda
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Re: Find Group listing
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Steve wrote:>> I suggest that when a person creates a private group the default be that the group is not listed in the public directory of groups and that archives are also private. I have no problem with the group owner having the option then to change these defaults.<< Currently, as it's set up, once a group is made Private archives it cannot be converted to public archives again. Brenda
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Frances wrote:>>Are there other groups that are “Private Groups” which won’t show up here? I hope so, because I just made my personal one, and I don't want it listed. Brenda
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Re: Thank You
AMEN TO THAT! Brenda
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Re: How does one follow a topic or hashtag?
Mark wrote:>>My initial assumption was that people would interact with their
groups through email and through the 'Inbox' view on the Groups.io
website, instead of visiting individual group archives.<< I'm just the opposite. I prefer not to interact in E-mail as little as possible I have always preferred to go to the site and interact in each group directly. I set bookmarks and that's how I do it. I log where I stop on each site, and write message numbers to reply to on a notepad. I've always collected the messages in E-mail, but I simply stored them on my computer and rarely ever read them there, not until Yahoo made the interface impossible for me to use. NEO caused me nothing but headaches in that respect, because every time I sent a message through mail, it was stored in my sent box, as my preference but I was also set to mail from the group. So I always had to make sure I deleted the right copy of the message. Another problem was that if I sent the message using the wrong e-mail address it would bounce back, and cause more headaches. I am thrilled that I don't have either problem here because I can use this web interface. So given the choice, I will always choose using each individual Groups' site to interact with. Mark wrote:>>Basically,
if you're set to All Messages, you end up Muting things you don't want.
If set to First Message or Replies Only, you end up Following things
you do want.<< I would not need to mute or need to follow anything. I always read all messages, in chronological order, and would never do otherwise on any group I either created or am a member of. Mark wrote:>>This all is tremendously
confusing, I agree. I believe you're the first person to dig into this
stuff (and therefore the first person to review my design....) So, like
with everything else, suggestions are appreciated. :)<< I'm probably the second one then. ;) I am curious about how everything works on groups.io including hashtags and muting, even though I might not ever use everything. I'm basic and simple and prefer it that way, but I have a lot of people I have to explain things to sometimes. Brenda
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Re: New Subscription Options
On 1/19/2015 4:43 PM, Chris Leong wrote:
I would have thought that "No email" would be a message selection optionIn a way it is both - but it really is a delivery option, because you might only read your group on the web. It's saying "don't send anything to my email address". If you read on the web, you can (apparently, since I haven't tried the thread options yet) choose what you want to see there. *How* you're seeing it is via the web, not your email client. dg
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Re: Site updates
#changelog
Mark, You more than deserve to sit down with the drink of your choice after all that. I can appreciate the work that goes into keeping all the details straight. Sometimes a "simple" change or enhancement requires a lot of background work. Computers being what they are, they don't know that you really meant for that ; to be a : Many Thanks to you for taking this on. I think you've got another hit on your hands. Please don't push yourself too hard though, we need you! Duane
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Re: New Subscription Options
Chris,
I would have thought that "No email" would be a message selectionHm... I can see the argument that selecting no messages for delivery is equivalent to selecting not to deliver messages. I put No Email (and Special Notices) in the "Email Delivery" option mostly to keep that option similar to what Yahoo Groups users expect. That might not be a rational choice in the long run. LOL, if we move that to a Message Selection of "No Messages" (and one of "Special Notices") then we've gone just about full circle back to the existing Subscription page - except using a pair of radio buttons in a separate option to choose between Individual Emails and Daily Digest, instead of a checkbox. Still, if that's all we did I think it is still clearer than the current page. "Every message in threads or hashtags you are following are emailedThere isn't (yet). "There currently is no option to follow a specific hashtag. That's clearly missing." https://groups.io/org/groupsio/beta/message/793 -- Shal
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Re: "Your groups"
Hi
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Yes, I think the plural form Subscriptions would work. In the individual group, you use Subscription for that particular group and it includes some of the same info but just for the specific group. Unless anyone else can come up with a better idea! It’s hard to get the name right. Frances
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Site updates
#changelog
Changes to the site today: - Tracking a lot more internal system statistics - Added [Edited Message Follows] to the top of edited messages - Fixed an issue causing multiple digests to be sent, triggered by deleted and edited messages - Fixed activity logging for web posts and deleted single events - Better internal tracking of what code is in which release - Clicking the Mute a Thread link when you've already muted the thread led to an errant dialog - We now support incoming email server connections that specify multiple recipients for a given email. Whew. Mark
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Re: "Your groups"
Frances, I agree. The duplication doesn't look right. I think "Groups Details" may work, although two plural words together look a little strange to me. So I've been trying to think of another term for that screen. The best I could think of was 'Subscriptions', although that's a little generic. What do you think? Thanks, Mark
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Frances <travel@...> wrote: Hi Mark,
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Re: New Subscription Options
I would have thought that "No email" would be a message selection option rather than a delivery option. I also agree with Shal that "Follow replies" is left dangling awkwardly and would fit in better under an "Auto-follow" heading. "Every message in threads or hashtags you are following are emailed to you" - I wasn't aware that there was an option to follow hashtags, just to block some.
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Re: Emailed messages Footer
dg,
I thought that might be it - but I'm getting both from this group -This beta group isn't set to Plain Text Only. So each message you receive from this group is in whatever format the sender used. I habitually send messages that are text/plain only, like this one, but many others send messages with formatted text (HTML). -- Shal
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Re: New Subscription Options
Frances,
Could "First Message Also" be greyed out if Following Only isn’tExactly what I intended to say, but jargon got in the way. By enable/disable I meant make the control active versus greyed out - I didn't mean to check or uncheck the box. -- Shal
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Re: New Subscription Options
Frances,
This is a checkbox, rather than a radio button. I assume you mustCorrect. It modifies "Following Only" - it isn't meaningful if you've selected "All Messages" (which Mark wrote as "All Email"). I had thought that users would be able to say, just send me the firstIt does do that if you aren't following any threads or hashtags (yet). But if you are you get those too. I don't think there's a use for getting First Messages in each thread but not the messages in threads or hashtags you've chosen to follow. Also “follow replies” - not sure the circumstances for this one.Only if you start or are the first one to reply to absolutely every thread (in some groups, maybe here, I'm probably thought to be "that guy"). But I'd normally select "All Messages" (aka "All Email") in most of my groups anyway. The use case is for someone who likes to use the "Followed Threads" list on the web, or the "Following Only" option by email. With this option checked they don't have to manually Follow threads they start or reply to. It is more likely, I suspect, that there is no actual use case for _not_ having it checked. -- Shal
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Re: Emailed messages Footer
On 1/19/2015 2:05 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
If a group is set to Plain Text Only, then any HTML is stripped out, andI thought that might be it - but I'm getting both from this group - I'm only subbed to beta. Your message that I'm replying to came through with the hyperlinks. Maybe it has to do with posting from the web vs replying to or starting a subject in email? My own email about this came back to me with the greyed text and the visible URL. Except for copying them in that message, I would not be leaving a footer on a message I send, btw. I strip it off if I'm replying to enough of the original that I quote all of it - but normally I use TBird's wonderful (and AFAIK unique) option to highlight a piece of the message before hitting reply and only having that show up quoted (as above). dg
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Re: Delivery Options
On 1/18/2015 6:23 PM, Frances wrote:
Great minds, and all that... 8-) dg
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