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locked Re: Find Group listing #suggestion

Nightowl >8#
 

Steve wrote:>> I suggest that when a person creates a private group the default be that the group is not listed in the public directory of groups and that archives are also private. I have no problem with the group owner having the option then to change these defaults.<<


Currently, as it's set up, once a group is made Private archives it cannot be converted to public archives again.

Brenda


locked Re: Find Group listing #suggestion

Nightowl >8#
 

Frances wrote:>>Are there other groups that are “Private Groups” which won’t show up here?

I hope so, because I just made my personal one, and I don't want it listed.

Brenda


locked Re: Thank You

Nightowl >8#
 

AMEN TO THAT!

Brenda


locked Re: How does one follow a topic or hashtag?

Nightowl >8#
 
Edited

Mark wrote:>>My initial assumption was that people would interact with their groups through email and through the 'Inbox' view on the Groups.io website, instead of visiting individual group archives.<<

I'm just the opposite. I prefer not to interact in E-mail as little as possible I have always preferred to go to the site and interact in each group directly. I set bookmarks and that's how I do it. I log where I stop on each site, and write message numbers to reply to on a notepad.

I've always collected the messages in E-mail, but I simply stored them on my computer and rarely ever read them there, not until Yahoo made the interface impossible for me to use. NEO caused me nothing but headaches in that respect, because every time I sent a message through mail, it was stored in my sent box, as my preference but I was also set to mail from the group. So I always had to make sure I deleted the right copy of the message.

Another problem was that if I sent the message using the wrong e-mail address it would bounce back, and cause more headaches. I am thrilled that I don't have either problem here because I can use this web interface. So given the choice, I will always choose using each individual Groups' site to interact with.

Mark wrote:>>Basically, if you're set to All Messages, you end up Muting things you don't want. If set to First Message or Replies Only, you end up Following things you do want.<<

I would not need to  mute or need to follow anything. I always read all messages, in chronological order, and would never do otherwise on any group I either created or am a member of.

Mark wrote:>>This all is tremendously confusing, I agree. I believe you're the first person to dig into this stuff (and therefore the first person to review my design....) So, like with everything else, suggestions are appreciated. :)<<

I'm probably the second one then. ;) I am curious about how everything works on groups.io  including hashtags and muting, even though I might not ever use everything. I'm basic and simple and prefer it that way, but I have a lot of people I have to explain things to sometimes.

Brenda


locked Re: New Subscription Options

 

On 1/19/2015 4:43 PM, Chris Leong wrote:
I would have thought that "No email" would be a message selection option
rather than a delivery option.
In a way it is both - but it really is a delivery option, because you
might only read your group on the web. It's saying "don't send
anything to my email address". If you read on the web, you can
(apparently, since I haven't tried the thread options yet) choose
what you want to see there. *How* you're seeing it is via the
web, not your email client.

dg


locked Re: Site updates #changelog

Duane
 

Mark,

You more than deserve to sit down with the drink of your choice after all that.  I can appreciate the work that goes into keeping all the details straight.  Sometimes a "simple" change or enhancement requires a lot of background work.  Computers being what they are, they don't know that you really meant for that ; to be a :  Many Thanks to you for taking this on.  I think you've got another hit on your hands.  Please don't push yourself too hard though, we need you!


Duane



locked Re: New Subscription Options

 

Chris,

I would have thought that "No email" would be a message selection
option rather than a delivery option.
Hm... I can see the argument that selecting no messages for delivery is equivalent to selecting not to deliver messages. I put No Email (and Special Notices) in the "Email Delivery" option mostly to keep that option similar to what Yahoo Groups users expect. That might not be a rational choice in the long run.

LOL, if we move that to a Message Selection of "No Messages" (and one of "Special Notices") then we've gone just about full circle back to the existing Subscription page - except using a pair of radio buttons in a separate option to choose between Individual Emails and Daily Digest, instead of a checkbox. Still, if that's all we did I think it is still clearer than the current page.

"Every message in threads or hashtags you are following are emailed
to you" - I wasn't aware that there was an option to follow hashtags,
just to block some.
There isn't (yet).
"There currently is no option to follow a specific hashtag. That's clearly missing."
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/beta/message/793

-- Shal


locked Re: "Your groups"

Frances
 

Hi

Yes, I think the plural form Subscriptions would work.

In the individual group, you use Subscription for that particular group and it includes some of the same info but just for the specific group.

Unless anyone else can come up with a better idea! It’s hard to get the name right.

Frances

On Jan 19 15, at 8:03 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Frances,

I agree. The duplication doesn't look right. I think "Groups Details" may work, although two plural words together look a little strange to me. So I've been trying to think of another term for that screen. The best I could think of was 'Subscriptions', although that's a little generic. What do you think?

Thanks,
Mark

On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Frances <travel@...> wrote:
Hi Mark,

This label “Your Groups" is duplicated in the navigation, but used to access different information.

On the black nav bar, it goes to a drop-down menu of your groups.
In the Inbox, it goes to useful details of your groups - your role, whether moderated or not (“approvals needed”), group size, number of recent messages and your delivery option.

I suggest you give these different labels. Perhaps keep “Your Groups” on the nav bar and use “Groups details” or something similar for the Inbox label.

This will help people navigate better on the website.

Frances







locked Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site today:

- Tracking a lot more internal system statistics
- Added [Edited Message Follows] to the top of edited messages
- Fixed an issue causing multiple digests to be sent, triggered by deleted and edited messages
- Fixed activity logging for web posts and deleted single events
- Better internal tracking of what code is in which release
- Clicking the Mute a Thread link when you've already muted the thread led to an errant dialog
- We now support incoming email server connections that specify multiple recipients for a given email.

Whew.

Mark


locked Re: "Your groups"

 

Frances,

I agree. The duplication doesn't look right. I think "Groups Details" may work, although two plural words together look a little strange to me. So I've been trying to think of another term for that screen. The best I could think of was 'Subscriptions', although that's a little generic. What do you think?

Thanks,
Mark

On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Frances <travel@...> wrote:
Hi Mark,

This label “Your Groups" is duplicated in the navigation, but used to access different information.

On the black nav bar, it goes to a drop-down menu of your groups.
In the Inbox, it goes to useful details of your groups - your role, whether moderated or not (“approvals needed”), group size, number of recent messages and your delivery option.

I suggest you give these different labels. Perhaps keep “Your Groups” on the nav bar and use “Groups details” or something similar for the Inbox label.

This will help people navigate better on the website.

Frances






locked Re: New Subscription Options

 

I would have thought that "No email" would be a message selection option rather than a delivery option.

I also agree with Shal that "Follow replies" is left dangling awkwardly and would fit in better under an "Auto-follow" heading.

"Every message in threads or hashtags you are following are emailed to you" - I wasn't aware that there was an option to follow hashtags, just to block some.


locked Re: Emailed messages Footer

 

dg,

I thought that might be it - but I'm getting both from this group -
I'm only subbed to beta.
This beta group isn't set to Plain Text Only. So each message you receive from this group is in whatever format the sender used. I habitually send messages that are text/plain only, like this one, but many others send messages with formatted text (HTML).

-- Shal


locked Re: New Subscription Options

 

Frances,

Could "First Message Also" be greyed out if Following Only isn’t
selected?
Exactly what I intended to say, but jargon got in the way. By
enable/disable I meant make the control active versus greyed out - I
didn't mean to check or uncheck the box.

-- Shal


locked Re: New Subscription Options

 

Frances,

This is a checkbox, rather than a radio button. I assume you must
select a radio button and the check box modifies it.
Correct. It modifies "Following Only" - it isn't meaningful if you've
selected "All Messages" (which Mark wrote as "All Email").

I had thought that users would be able to say, just send me the first
message of any new thread.
This doesn’t do that, I think.
It does do that if you aren't following any threads or hashtags (yet).
But if you are you get those too. I don't think there's a use for
getting First Messages in each thread but not the messages in threads or
hashtags you've chosen to follow.

Also “follow replies” - not sure the circumstances for this one.
Isn’t that “all email”?
Only if you start or are the first one to reply to absolutely every
thread (in some groups, maybe here, I'm probably thought to be "that
guy"). But I'd normally select "All Messages" (aka "All Email") in most
of my groups anyway.

The use case is for someone who likes to use the "Followed Threads" list
on the web, or the "Following Only" option by email. With this option
checked they don't have to manually Follow threads they start or reply
to. It is more likely, I suspect, that there is no actual use case for
_not_ having it checked.

-- Shal


locked Re: Emailed messages Footer

 

On 1/19/2015 2:05 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
If a group is set to Plain Text Only, then any HTML is stripped out, and
you wouldn't see different footers (or any HTML for that matter).
I thought that might be it - but I'm getting both from this group - I'm
only subbed to beta.

Your message that I'm replying to came through with the hyperlinks.

Maybe it has to do with posting from the web vs replying to or starting
a subject in email? My own email about this came back to me with the
greyed text and the visible URL.

Except for copying them in that message, I would not be leaving a footer
on a message I send, btw. I strip it off if I'm replying to enough of
the original that I quote all of it - but normally I use TBird's
wonderful (and AFAIK unique) option to highlight a piece of the message
before hitting reply and only having that show up quoted (as above).

dg


locked Re: Delivery Options

 

On 1/18/2015 6:23 PM, Frances wrote:

Yes, Shal’s layout would work fine.
Great minds, and all that...

8-)

dg


locked Re: Emailed messages Footer

 

On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 1:35 PM, CatWoman <diana@...> wrote:
One other thing I noticed - sometimes I get the following, where
the text is grey and there's a link after -

...
 
and sometimes I get just the text as a hyperlink.


It's because some emails are plain text only, and other emails are HTML emails. If a group is set to Plain Text Only, then any HTML is stripped out, and you wouldn't see different footers (or any HTML for that matter).

Mark


locked Re: New Subscription Options

Frances
 

Hi

Could "First Message Also" be greyed out if Following Only isn’t selected?

Frances

On Jan 19 15, at 4:54 PM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:

I imagined "First Message Also" being enabled only if "Following Only" is selected, to make that connection clearer. I'm not sure if having one control enable/disable another is done elsewhere in Groups.io, maybe it isn't part of the style book.


locked Re: New Subscription Options

 

Frances,

Typo - first message ONLY
Not ALSO
Not a typo. It means "also", in addition to the messages in threads you are following. Getting the first message of each new thread is how you decide if you want to follow that thread (otherwise you'd have to go to the web site to find them).

-- Shal


locked Re: New Subscription Options

 

Mark,

I've taken Shal's suggestion, and created a mockup page, so we can
discuss it.
...
I haven't had a chance to think much about this yet. Please let me
know what you think.
Thanks!

I imagined "Individual Messages" and "All Messages" as the defaults (unless moderators get to choose the defaults), but I suppose the lack of any initial selection is an artifact of the mockup. The latter I think should be "All Messages", not "All Email", as this Option is about message selection.

Maybe the former should be "Individual Emails - You will receive each message in an individual email." for consistency.

I like Frances' re-wording "Daily Digest - Group messages together as one email instead of being sent individually."

I imagined "First Message Also" being enabled only if "Following Only" is selected, to make that connection clearer. I'm not sure if having one control enable/disable another is done elsewhere in Groups.io, maybe it isn't part of the style book.

Visually I'm not so happy with "Follow Replies" hanging there at the bottom. In a way it is a separate option, related to Message Selection but also distinct. Maybe it deserves a heading of its own, "Auto Follow" or something hinting that it is broader than just Message Selection for email - it also controls which threads appear in the "Followed Threads" list(s) on the web site.

I note the absence of the "Special Notices" selection. At first thought maybe you've flip-flopped again, or just decided to keep them out of this discussion. On second thought, maybe it really isn't needed there - it is really a part of Message Selection.

My reason for leaving it in the Email Delivery list was to serve the use case of a member going on vacation or otherwise wanting a simple way to temporarily suspend email delivery - while perhaps still picking up the Special notices.

-- Shal