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locked Re: New Subscription Options

 

Frances,

Could "First Message Also" be greyed out if Following Only isn’t
selected?
Exactly what I intended to say, but jargon got in the way. By
enable/disable I meant make the control active versus greyed out - I
didn't mean to check or uncheck the box.

-- Shal


locked Re: New Subscription Options

 

Frances,

This is a checkbox, rather than a radio button. I assume you must
select a radio button and the check box modifies it.
Correct. It modifies "Following Only" - it isn't meaningful if you've
selected "All Messages" (which Mark wrote as "All Email").

I had thought that users would be able to say, just send me the first
message of any new thread.
This doesn’t do that, I think.
It does do that if you aren't following any threads or hashtags (yet).
But if you are you get those too. I don't think there's a use for
getting First Messages in each thread but not the messages in threads or
hashtags you've chosen to follow.

Also “follow replies” - not sure the circumstances for this one.
Isn’t that “all email”?
Only if you start or are the first one to reply to absolutely every
thread (in some groups, maybe here, I'm probably thought to be "that
guy"). But I'd normally select "All Messages" (aka "All Email") in most
of my groups anyway.

The use case is for someone who likes to use the "Followed Threads" list
on the web, or the "Following Only" option by email. With this option
checked they don't have to manually Follow threads they start or reply
to. It is more likely, I suspect, that there is no actual use case for
_not_ having it checked.

-- Shal


locked Re: Emailed messages Footer

 

On 1/19/2015 2:05 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
If a group is set to Plain Text Only, then any HTML is stripped out, and
you wouldn't see different footers (or any HTML for that matter).
I thought that might be it - but I'm getting both from this group - I'm
only subbed to beta.

Your message that I'm replying to came through with the hyperlinks.

Maybe it has to do with posting from the web vs replying to or starting
a subject in email? My own email about this came back to me with the
greyed text and the visible URL.

Except for copying them in that message, I would not be leaving a footer
on a message I send, btw. I strip it off if I'm replying to enough of
the original that I quote all of it - but normally I use TBird's
wonderful (and AFAIK unique) option to highlight a piece of the message
before hitting reply and only having that show up quoted (as above).

dg


locked Re: Delivery Options

 

On 1/18/2015 6:23 PM, Frances wrote:

Yes, Shal’s layout would work fine.
Great minds, and all that...

8-)

dg


locked Re: Emailed messages Footer

 

On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 1:35 PM, CatWoman <diana@...> wrote:
One other thing I noticed - sometimes I get the following, where
the text is grey and there's a link after -

...
 
and sometimes I get just the text as a hyperlink.


It's because some emails are plain text only, and other emails are HTML emails. If a group is set to Plain Text Only, then any HTML is stripped out, and you wouldn't see different footers (or any HTML for that matter).

Mark


locked Re: New Subscription Options

Frances
 

Hi

Could "First Message Also" be greyed out if Following Only isn’t selected?

Frances

On Jan 19 15, at 4:54 PM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:

I imagined "First Message Also" being enabled only if "Following Only" is selected, to make that connection clearer. I'm not sure if having one control enable/disable another is done elsewhere in Groups.io, maybe it isn't part of the style book.


locked Re: New Subscription Options

 

Frances,

Typo - first message ONLY
Not ALSO
Not a typo. It means "also", in addition to the messages in threads you are following. Getting the first message of each new thread is how you decide if you want to follow that thread (otherwise you'd have to go to the web site to find them).

-- Shal


locked Re: New Subscription Options

 

Mark,

I've taken Shal's suggestion, and created a mockup page, so we can
discuss it.
...
I haven't had a chance to think much about this yet. Please let me
know what you think.
Thanks!

I imagined "Individual Messages" and "All Messages" as the defaults (unless moderators get to choose the defaults), but I suppose the lack of any initial selection is an artifact of the mockup. The latter I think should be "All Messages", not "All Email", as this Option is about message selection.

Maybe the former should be "Individual Emails - You will receive each message in an individual email." for consistency.

I like Frances' re-wording "Daily Digest - Group messages together as one email instead of being sent individually."

I imagined "First Message Also" being enabled only if "Following Only" is selected, to make that connection clearer. I'm not sure if having one control enable/disable another is done elsewhere in Groups.io, maybe it isn't part of the style book.

Visually I'm not so happy with "Follow Replies" hanging there at the bottom. In a way it is a separate option, related to Message Selection but also distinct. Maybe it deserves a heading of its own, "Auto Follow" or something hinting that it is broader than just Message Selection for email - it also controls which threads appear in the "Followed Threads" list(s) on the web site.

I note the absence of the "Special Notices" selection. At first thought maybe you've flip-flopped again, or just decided to keep them out of this discussion. On second thought, maybe it really isn't needed there - it is really a part of Message Selection.

My reason for leaving it in the Email Delivery list was to serve the use case of a member going on vacation or otherwise wanting a simple way to temporarily suspend email delivery - while perhaps still picking up the Special notices.

-- Shal


locked Emailed messages Footer

 

One other thing I noticed - sometimes I get the following, where
the text is grey and there's a link after -

View This Message (#917):https://groups.io/org/groupsio/beta/message/917
Mute This Thread:https://groups.io/mt/25427?uid=1224
Change Your Subscription:https://groups.io/org/groupsio/beta/editsub?uid=1224
Unsubscribe:https://groups.io/org/groupsio/beta/leave
Group Home:https://groups.io/org/groupsio/beta
Contact Group Owner:beta+owner@groups.io
Terms of Service:https://groups.io/static/tos
and sometimes I get just the text as a hyperlink.

Since I have TBird set to honor hyperlinks, in-line images, etc., I'm
not sure where the "conversions" are happening, since I assume that it
is something the software sticks on the message as it is "going out the
door".


locked "Your groups"

Frances
 

Hi Mark,

This label “Your Groups" is duplicated in the navigation, but used to access different information.

On the black nav bar, it goes to a drop-down menu of your groups.
In the Inbox, it goes to useful details of your groups - your role, whether moderated or not (“approvals needed”), group size, number of recent messages and your delivery option.

I suggest you give these different labels. Perhaps keep “Your Groups” on the nav bar and use “Groups details” or something similar for the Inbox label.

This will help people navigate better on the website.

Frances


locked Re: Bug in the Moderator Activity log

 

Thanks for the bug reports. All of these should be fixed now.

Mark

On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 4:40 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

I think that I found a few more things that aren't quite right.


Member Activity

I created an event for testing.  It shows "added event" correctly, but when I deleted it, it shows as deleting a "repeating event" even though there were no repeats.


Moderator Activity

When I approve a message on the site, it shows up as approved via email.  Membership approvals correctly show via web.


Message Activity

All messages are appearing as "sent via email", even when posted from the site.


Thanks,

Duane




locked Re: Wiki Home Page Deletion?

Ellen
 

Hi Duane,

You were correct. It's odd because I really didn't see a link to delete the Home Page before. I saw the ones for the other pages. Strange, I obviously was not too focused on what I was doing. All is well now!

Thanks again!

Ellen


locked Re: New Subscription Options

Frances
 

Hi

Well, the email delivery looks right.

Not sure about the other section - Message selection.

First Message Also
The first message of every thread is also emailed to you, except for hashtags you've muted.

This is a checkbox, rather than a radio button. I assume you must select a radio button and the check box modifies it.

I had thought that users would be able to say, just send me the first message of any new thread. 
This doesn’t do that, I think.

Also “follow replies” - not sure the circumstances for this one.
Isn’t that “all email”?

Frances

On Jan 19 15, at 3:36 PM, Frances <travel@...> wrote:

Functionality - great. 

A couple of grammar changes needed, I think. 

Group messages together as one email instead of individually.

Should be groups
Might be clearer to say "being sent individually" 

Also. 
Every message in threads or hashtags you are following are emailed to you, except threads you've muted. (Special notices from the moderators are followed).

Instead of "are emailed" should be "is emailed".



Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 19, 2015, at 3:27 PM, Frances <travel@...> wrote:

Looks good. 

Typo - first message ONLY 
Not ALSO

Frances

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 19, 2015, at 2:21 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

I've taken Shal's suggestion, and created a mockup page, so we can discuss it.


I haven't had a chance to think much about this yet. Please let me know what you think.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: New Subscription Options

Frances
 

Functionality - great. 

A couple of grammar changes needed, I think. 

Group messages together as one email instead of individually.

Should be groups
Might be clearer to say "being sent individually" 

Also. 
Every message in threads or hashtags you are following are emailed to you, except threads you've muted. (Special notices from the moderators are followed).

Instead of "are emailed" should be "is emailed".



Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 19, 2015, at 3:27 PM, Frances <travel@...> wrote:

Looks good. 

Typo - first message ONLY 
Not ALSO

Frances

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 19, 2015, at 2:21 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

I've taken Shal's suggestion, and created a mockup page, so we can discuss it.


I haven't had a chance to think much about this yet. Please let me know what you think.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: New Subscription Options

Frances
 

Looks good. 

Typo - first message ONLY 
Not ALSO

Frances

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 19, 2015, at 2:21 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

I've taken Shal's suggestion, and created a mockup page, so we can discuss it.


I haven't had a chance to think much about this yet. Please let me know what you think.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Wiki Home Page Deletion?

Ellen
 

Duane,

I have a feeling that because I am a moderator and not an owner that I don't have that ability. However, I'll take a look again. I know I can delete other pages. Perhaps the Home Page can't be deleted.

Thanks,

Ellen


locked New Subscription Options

 

I've taken Shal's suggestion, and created a mockup page, so we can discuss it.


I haven't had a chance to think much about this yet. Please let me know what you think.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Glitch?

 

On 19 January 2015 at 18:30, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
Edited messages now have [Edited Message Follows] prepended to the top of the message. This does not appear in the archives, just in emailed messages.

KnyttWytch, there was a bug that could have caused your edit to disappear. It's been fixed and I apologize for the problem.

Thanks,
Mark

On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 2:00 AM, Knytt Wytch <dragonsteeluk@...> wrote:
Hmm I just tried to edit a message and I thought it had taken, but when you look at the message it is just the same


On 18 January 2015 at 23:10, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:
Dano,

> That's because I edited the reply to add a word. I like how
> edited messages show up in message view, but for some, it might be
> confusing to get a second message only a minute later.

Oh, good point.

I agree with you and Judy: the re-send of an edited message definitely needs some kind of marker. Maybe a subject-line tag like [edit] adjacent to the group tag. Maybe a note at the top of the message body, something like:

[Edited message follows.]

-- Shal









locked Re: Plain text replies to RTF posts?

 

I like the idea of adding an option to switch to plain text. I'll add it to the todo list.

Thanks,
Mark

On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 10:14 AM, D R Stinson <dano@...> wrote:
This is when sending a message to another group. specifically a post in Beta. I'm guessing all I can do is not add any graphic or text coding. In 'neo' (when it works) there's an option in the composition window to switch the message to plain text. Dano



locked Re: Glitch?

 

Edited messages now have [Edited Message Follows] prepended to the top of the message. This does not appear in the archives, just in emailed messages.

KnyttWytch, there was a bug that could have caused your edit to disappear. It's been fixed and I apologize for the problem.

Thanks,
Mark

On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 2:00 AM, Knytt Wytch <dragonsteeluk@...> wrote:
Hmm I just tried to edit a message and I thought it had taken, but when you look at the message it is just the same


On 18 January 2015 at 23:10, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:
Dano,

> That's because I edited the reply to add a word. I like how
> edited messages show up in message view, but for some, it might be
> confusing to get a second message only a minute later.

Oh, good point.

I agree with you and Judy: the re-send of an edited message definitely needs some kind of marker. Maybe a subject-line tag like [edit] adjacent to the group tag. Maybe a note at the top of the message body, something like:

[Edited message follows.]

-- Shal