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locked Re: RSVP feature #suggestion

 

Oops, sorry about the double post before. I was having some issue with my internet.


locked Re: Delivery Options

 

Linda,

 When I subscribed, despite my long history as a Yahoo group owner, I
 found the mail options confusing and botched it!

Can you detail for us what you did wrong? A little background on the confusion might go a long way to helping Mark make the options clearer.

It would also help me understand if the separation of Email Delivery from Message Selection that dg and I proposed is (sufficiently) clearer.

 I can only imagine the nightmare that's in store if we can't have the
 option to go with a simplified plan.  Good old KISS is best for older
 folks. 

Would it help if you were able to control the default Subscription options your members get when they join? cf my other suggestion "Membership Templates":
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/beta/thread/membership_templates/24549

-- Shal


locked Re: Glitch?

Cacky B
 

Right!
I believe it's still a glitch since it happens often.
Cacky

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 18, 2015, at 3:08 PM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@...> wrote:

Thanks Dano, but that doesn’t help the messages that come into an inbox, it just looks like it’s a duplicate message. 

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: D R Stinson [mailto:dano@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 3:43 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Re: Glitch?

 

Judy - It does have an edited button on the right side in the individual Message View and Expanded Message View. - Dano


locked Re: Glitch?

Cacky B
 

I have also been receiving duplicates, but intermittently. It's fairly frequent, but not consistent.
Cacky

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 18, 2015, at 2:23 PM, Frances <travel@...> wrote:

Hi

I received two copies of this message. See below. One is time stamped at 3:03 and one at 3:02.

The same thing happened with Duane’s message earlier today.

Frances

Begin forwarded message:

From: D R Stinson <dano@...>
Subject: [beta] Re: Delivery Options
Reply-To: beta@groups.io
Date: January 18, 2015 at 3:01:54 PM EST

I would caution owners about wanting to limit user features to only those they themselves would use. We never know what unique circumstances a group member may have, and what level of technical sophistication they are capable of. I too have a group with a number of older users, and I would never think to assume or limit what they are capable of understanding. I would agree the defaults should be pretty basic, but limiting the user's capabilities might lose you members to frustrations.

As for understanding the different settings and what they mean, isn't that the purpose of the wiki? We've seen the value of such explanations with the wiki that was created for 'neo'.

Dano



locked Re: Glitch?

Judy F.
 

I think that is a good idea. 

 

Judy

SW Florida - USA

 

From: D R Stinson [mailto:dano@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 4:13 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Re: Glitch?

 

Yeah, I can understand that Judy. I've been doing something I haven't for a while; reading the posts on the web page. I have to say it's enjoyable when it all works without glitches! The result is I didn't read the email posts and missed that detail. Maybe edited posts need an [edited] at the end of the subject in emails? Just a thought. - Dano


locked Re: Glitch?

 

Yeah, I can understand that Judy. I've been doing something I haven't for a while; reading the posts on the web page. I have to say it's enjoyable when it all works without glitches! The result is I didn't read the email posts and missed that detail. Maybe edited posts need an [edited] at the end of the subject in emails? Just a thought. - Dano


locked Re: Anyone tried the email integration feature?

RS
 

OK, now I see the point,  Very cool.  Seems like that address could be subbed to a meta-group as well, so that posts from a meta group go to the member group as well. 


locked Re: Glitch?

Judy F.
 

Thanks Dano, but that doesn’t help the messages that come into an inbox, it just looks like it’s a duplicate message. 

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: D R Stinson [mailto:dano@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 3:43 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Re: Glitch?

 

Judy - It does have an edited button on the right side in the individual Message View and Expanded Message View. - Dano


locked Re: Glitch?

Frances
 

Yup, see the edited button when I look online.

Probably something that we will get used to!

As you say, a good test.

Frances

On Jan 18 15, at 3:42 PM, D R Stinson <dano@...> wrote:

Judy - It does have an edited button on the right side in the individual Message View and Expanded Message View. - Dano


locked Re: Glitch?

 

Judy - It does have an edited button on the right side in the individual Message View and Expanded Message View. - Dano


locked Plain text replies to RTF posts?

 

Mark - Is there a way for a reply to an RTF message to be changed to plain text? I believe that plain text messages are often easier to read for the recipient, especially those with vision limitations who set their screen text size larger, and so tend to send messages that way if possible. - Dano


locked Re: Glitch?

Judy F.
 

Maybe I read it wrong, but I thought it was supposed to say somewhere that the message had been edited????

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: D R Stinson [mailto:dano@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 3:35 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Re: Glitch?

 

Frances - That's because I edited the reply to add a word. I like how edited messages show up in message view, but for some, it might be confusing to get a second message only a minute later. Think of this as a test of the system. - Dano


locked Re: Glitch?

 

Frances - That's because I edited the reply to add a word. I like how edited messages show up in message view, but for some, it might be confusing to get a second message only a minute later. Think of this as a test of the system. - Dano


locked Re: Glitch?

 

I thought it was just me! It has happened with most of the messages today

On 18 January 2015 at 20:23, Frances <travel@...> wrote:
Hi

I received two copies of this message. See below. One is time stamped at 3:03 and one at 3:02.

The same thing happened with Duane’s message earlier today.

Frances

Begin forwarded message:

From: D R Stinson <dano@...>
Subject: [beta] Re: Delivery Options
Reply-To: beta@groups.io
Date: January 18, 2015 at 3:01:54 PM EST

I would caution owners about wanting to limit user features to only those they themselves would use. We never know what unique circumstances a group member may have, and what level of technical sophistication they are capable of. I too have a group with a number of older users, and I would never think to assume or limit what they are capable of understanding. I would agree the defaults should be pretty basic, but limiting the user's capabilities might lose you members to frustrations.

As for understanding the different settings and what they mean, isn't that the purpose of the wiki? We've seen the value of such explanations with the wiki that was created for 'neo'.

Dano




locked Glitch?

Frances
 

Hi

I received two copies of this message. See below. One is time stamped at 3:03 and one at 3:02.

The same thing happened with Duane’s message earlier today.

Frances

Begin forwarded message:

From: D R Stinson <dano@...>
Subject: [beta] Re: Delivery Options
Reply-To: beta@groups.io
Date: January 18, 2015 at 3:01:54 PM EST

I would caution owners about wanting to limit user features to only those they themselves would use. We never know what unique circumstances a group member may have, and what level of technical sophistication they are capable of. I too have a group with a number of older users, and I would never think to assume or limit what they are capable of understanding. I would agree the defaults should be pretty basic, but limiting the user's capabilities might lose you members to frustrations.

As for understanding the different settings and what they mean, isn't that the purpose of the wiki? We've seen the value of such explanations with the wiki that was created for 'neo'.

Dano



locked Re: Delivery Options

 
Edited

I would caution owners about wanting to limit user features to only those they themselves would use. We never know what unique circumstances a group member may have, and what level of technical sophistication they are capable of. I too have a group with a number of older users, and I would never think to assume or limit what they are capable of understanding. I would agree the defaults should be pretty basic, but limiting the user's capabilities might lose you members to frustrations.

As for understanding the different settings and what they mean, isn't that the purpose of the wiki? We've seen the value of such explanations with the wiki that was created for 'neo'.

Dano


locked Re: RSVP feature #suggestion

Steve Weinberg
 

Group members don't need an account at Doodle to respond to a request that they indicate the best times for them to participate in an event. 

Only the person coordinating the "Doodle" needs the account

Same for Freeconference, Googledocs, etc

Steve
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Sent from Steve's iPhone

On Jan 18, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 10:08 PM, Steve Weinberg <steve.weinberg@...> wrote:
Sure!

Groups.io could have a program like Doodle attached for determining best times for meetings or calls

...
 
Ot it could just be great listserv software.  And leave all the rest for those exiting applications that are NOT also great listserv software

First, I appreciate any suggestions made on the beta list. Please keep them coming.

I totally get the keep it just a listserv. I think I've demonstrated, with the Integrations, that I don't want to rebuild the entire world. But I think there are some things that should be built in. 

Unfortunately, there is no generally accepted "groups api" that we could use to interface with other services that involve groups.  It would be great if we could set something up with Doodle, so that any events scheduled there were automatically restricted to the people in your group here, and your members wouldn't have to create an account at Doodle. I hope at one point to create such an API so that we can interface with other services.

My first priority is for Groups.io to be a kick-ass list server.


Mark


locked Re: What Does Five Integrations Mean?

Duane
 

At least for the time being, we don't plan to use any of the integrations.  However, Hangout always shows in the left bar.  Should they only show up if they're enabled?


Duane



locked Re: RSVP feature #suggestion

 

On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 10:08 PM, Steve Weinberg <steve.weinberg@...> wrote:
Sure!

Groups.io could have a program like Doodle attached for determining best times for meetings or calls

...
 
Ot it could just be great listserv software.  And leave all the rest for those exiting applications that are NOT also great listserv software

First, I appreciate any suggestions made on the beta list. Please keep them coming.

I totally get the keep it just a listserv. I think I've demonstrated, with the Integrations, that I don't want to rebuild the entire world. But I think there are some things that should be built in. 

Unfortunately, there is no generally accepted "groups api" that we could use to interface with other services that involve groups.  It would be great if we could set something up with Doodle, so that any events scheduled there were automatically restricted to the people in your group here, and your members wouldn't have to create an account at Doodle. I hope at one point to create such an API so that we can interface with other services.

My first priority is for Groups.io to be a kick-ass list server.


Mark


locked Re: about contacting the mod of a group

 

On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 7:11 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

I was testing some things this morning and ran into an unusual situation.  I sent an email to the group owner email address from an unsubscribed email address.  I have that group set so that no emails are forwarded to my (owner) email.  There's a notice in the log that the email was sent, but I can't find any place to see what it is.  Have I overlooked something?


If the email address is unsubscribed, it's not saved anywhere. If the message is from a subscriber, you can look it up through their member page.


PS  While attempting to post this reply (a little before 9 am cst), I got several "504 Gateway Time-out" errors, then it finally gave me the "undergoing maintenance" screen with Linus.  Cute kitten!


This morning between 6am-7am pacific time, there was an issue with the web server. It's the same bug I've been trying to track down since Friday, some sort of database resource exhaustion thing. Sorry about that, and thanks for the kitten compliment. :)

Mark