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locked Re: Glitch?

 

Frances - That's because I edited the reply to add a word. I like how edited messages show up in message view, but for some, it might be confusing to get a second message only a minute later. Think of this as a test of the system. - Dano


locked Re: Glitch?

 

I thought it was just me! It has happened with most of the messages today

On 18 January 2015 at 20:23, Frances <travel@...> wrote:
Hi

I received two copies of this message. See below. One is time stamped at 3:03 and one at 3:02.

The same thing happened with Duane’s message earlier today.

Frances

Begin forwarded message:

From: D R Stinson <dano@...>
Subject: [beta] Re: Delivery Options
Reply-To: beta@groups.io
Date: January 18, 2015 at 3:01:54 PM EST

I would caution owners about wanting to limit user features to only those they themselves would use. We never know what unique circumstances a group member may have, and what level of technical sophistication they are capable of. I too have a group with a number of older users, and I would never think to assume or limit what they are capable of understanding. I would agree the defaults should be pretty basic, but limiting the user's capabilities might lose you members to frustrations.

As for understanding the different settings and what they mean, isn't that the purpose of the wiki? We've seen the value of such explanations with the wiki that was created for 'neo'.

Dano




locked Glitch?

Frances
 

Hi

I received two copies of this message. See below. One is time stamped at 3:03 and one at 3:02.

The same thing happened with Duane’s message earlier today.

Frances

Begin forwarded message:

From: D R Stinson <dano@...>
Subject: [beta] Re: Delivery Options
Reply-To: beta@groups.io
Date: January 18, 2015 at 3:01:54 PM EST

I would caution owners about wanting to limit user features to only those they themselves would use. We never know what unique circumstances a group member may have, and what level of technical sophistication they are capable of. I too have a group with a number of older users, and I would never think to assume or limit what they are capable of understanding. I would agree the defaults should be pretty basic, but limiting the user's capabilities might lose you members to frustrations.

As for understanding the different settings and what they mean, isn't that the purpose of the wiki? We've seen the value of such explanations with the wiki that was created for 'neo'.

Dano



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Edited

I would caution owners about wanting to limit user features to only those they themselves would use. We never know what unique circumstances a group member may have, and what level of technical sophistication they are capable of. I too have a group with a number of older users, and I would never think to assume or limit what they are capable of understanding. I would agree the defaults should be pretty basic, but limiting the user's capabilities might lose you members to frustrations.

As for understanding the different settings and what they mean, isn't that the purpose of the wiki? We've seen the value of such explanations with the wiki that was created for 'neo'.

Dano


locked Re: RSVP feature #suggestion

Steve Weinberg
 

Group members don't need an account at Doodle to respond to a request that they indicate the best times for them to participate in an event. 

Only the person coordinating the "Doodle" needs the account

Same for Freeconference, Googledocs, etc

Steve
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On Jan 18, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 10:08 PM, Steve Weinberg <steve.weinberg@...> wrote:
Sure!

Groups.io could have a program like Doodle attached for determining best times for meetings or calls

...
 
Ot it could just be great listserv software.  And leave all the rest for those exiting applications that are NOT also great listserv software

First, I appreciate any suggestions made on the beta list. Please keep them coming.

I totally get the keep it just a listserv. I think I've demonstrated, with the Integrations, that I don't want to rebuild the entire world. But I think there are some things that should be built in. 

Unfortunately, there is no generally accepted "groups api" that we could use to interface with other services that involve groups.  It would be great if we could set something up with Doodle, so that any events scheduled there were automatically restricted to the people in your group here, and your members wouldn't have to create an account at Doodle. I hope at one point to create such an API so that we can interface with other services.

My first priority is for Groups.io to be a kick-ass list server.


Mark


locked Re: What Does Five Integrations Mean?

Duane
 

At least for the time being, we don't plan to use any of the integrations.  However, Hangout always shows in the left bar.  Should they only show up if they're enabled?


Duane



locked Re: RSVP feature #suggestion

 

On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 10:08 PM, Steve Weinberg <steve.weinberg@...> wrote:
Sure!

Groups.io could have a program like Doodle attached for determining best times for meetings or calls

...
 
Ot it could just be great listserv software.  And leave all the rest for those exiting applications that are NOT also great listserv software

First, I appreciate any suggestions made on the beta list. Please keep them coming.

I totally get the keep it just a listserv. I think I've demonstrated, with the Integrations, that I don't want to rebuild the entire world. But I think there are some things that should be built in. 

Unfortunately, there is no generally accepted "groups api" that we could use to interface with other services that involve groups.  It would be great if we could set something up with Doodle, so that any events scheduled there were automatically restricted to the people in your group here, and your members wouldn't have to create an account at Doodle. I hope at one point to create such an API so that we can interface with other services.

My first priority is for Groups.io to be a kick-ass list server.


Mark


locked Re: about contacting the mod of a group

 

On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 7:11 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

I was testing some things this morning and ran into an unusual situation.  I sent an email to the group owner email address from an unsubscribed email address.  I have that group set so that no emails are forwarded to my (owner) email.  There's a notice in the log that the email was sent, but I can't find any place to see what it is.  Have I overlooked something?


If the email address is unsubscribed, it's not saved anywhere. If the message is from a subscriber, you can look it up through their member page.


PS  While attempting to post this reply (a little before 9 am cst), I got several "504 Gateway Time-out" errors, then it finally gave me the "undergoing maintenance" screen with Linus.  Cute kitten!


This morning between 6am-7am pacific time, there was an issue with the web server. It's the same bug I've been trying to track down since Friday, some sort of database resource exhaustion thing. Sorry about that, and thanks for the kitten compliment. :)

Mark 


locked Re: Anyone tried the email integration feature?

 

On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 10:44 AM, <dalemonator@...> wrote:

Just used it to create a new email, but can't figure out how to have it post to the group.  Anyone used it yet?  Mark, is there a control I am missing?  The most logical place to see it is in the "from" menu on the Post page, but it's not in the list of options.

The idea is that you can take that email address and use it outside of Groups.io to send messages to your group. Say a web service has a function to email notifications about something (concerts, for example). You'd like those notification emails to go to your group. Take the unique email address created in the email integration, and give it to the web service.

Mark 


locked Anyone tried the email integration feature?

RS
 

Just used it to create a new email, but can't figure out how to have it post to the group.  Anyone used it yet?  Mark, is there a control I am missing?  The most logical place to see it is in the "from" menu on the Post page, but it's not in the list of options.



locked Re: Delivery Options

RS
 

Would it be possible for group owners to be given checkboxes on all the various features, so that if one does not want a certain delivery option available to members, they can remove it to cut down on the possible confusion points?  Then everyone gets what they prefer in their own group. 



locked Re: Delivery Options

Frances
 

Hi

For my own group, I would definitely like the “First Message Only” to remain as an option. 

Frances

On Jan 18 15, at 5:15 AM, Linda Star-Freedman <donlin2@...> wrote:

Hi,
When I subscribed, despite my long history as a Yahoo group owner, I found the mail options confusing and botched it!
 
I can only imagine the nightmare that's in store if we can't have the option to go with a simplified plan.  Good old KISS is best for older folks. 
 
In my groups, we use subjects, don't need hashtags, and the delete key is fine for unfollowing particular threads. 

We need only a choice of three mail options:
     All messages as single emails
     Digest
     No Mail except Special Notices
 
Mark, I appreciate all the sophisticated programming you've worked on, but I beg  you to make it possible for group owners to opt-in to a simplified version of Groups.io.
 
Thanks,
Linda


locked Re: Delivery Options

Duane
 

One of the members on one of my groups had a problem this morning.  He has selected "No email", and I've verified the setting, but he's still getting all messages.  I would suspect that while Mark was making changes to the delivery options concerning Special Notices that a bug may have crept in.  BTW, I don't have this problem on my account.  I'll check with him again to see if it's still happening.


Duane



locked Re: about contacting the mod of a group

Duane
 

I was testing some things this morning and ran into an unusual situation.  I sent an email to the group owner email address from an unsubscribed email address.  I have that group set so that no emails are forwarded to my (owner) email.  There's a notice in the log that the email was sent, but I can't find any place to see what it is.  Have I overlooked something?


Thanks,

Duane

PS  While attempting to post this reply (a little before 9 am cst), I got several "504 Gateway Time-out" errors, then it finally gave me the "undergoing maintenance" screen with Linus.  Cute kitten!



locked Re: RSVP feature #suggestion

 

This might not be the most important feature right now, but eventually, why not?

This is a feature that we can be pretty sure that people would use. Part of the reason why many groups have switched from mailing lists to Facebook is that Facebook is good at handling events.


locked Delivery Options

Linda
 

Hi,
When I subscribed, despite my long history as a Yahoo group owner, I found the mail options confusing and botched it!
 
I can only imagine the nightmare that's in store if we can't have the option to go with a simplified plan.  Good old KISS is best for older folks. 
 
In my groups, we use subjects, don't need hashtags, and the delete key is fine for unfollowing particular threads. 

We need only a choice of three mail options:
     All messages as single emails
     Digest
     No Mail except Special Notices
 
Mark, I appreciate all the sophisticated programming you've worked on, but I beg  you to make it possible for group owners to opt-in to a simplified version of Groups.io.
 
Thanks,
Linda


locked Re: RSVP feature #suggestion

 

Thanks for that bit of reality, Steve. I see people wanting groups.io to be everything under the sun, when in reality, it just needs to function as a solid list server. Dano


locked Re: Find Group listing #suggestion

Steve Weinberg
 

Well, instead of talking in the dark, tonight I started my own first Groups.io test group

So I agree with Shal. I selected "Not listed in directory, private archives" and that was that.


So fat mostly so good.

Steve

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On Jan 18, 2015, at 2:01 AM, Shal Farley <shal@roadrunner.com> wrote:

Steve,

But, since we're not all computer geniuses, I suggest that when a person
creates a private group the default be that the group is not listed in
the public directory of groups and that archives are also private.
I think you already have that. The existing Create A Group page offers a Privacy option with three choices:

Listed in directory, publicly viewable archives
Listed in directory, private archives
Not listed in directory, private archives

I probably would have used two checkboxes rather than a drop-list with three of the four possibilities, but that's because I think that handling one concept at a time is generally easier than compound choices. That is:

|_| Listed in directory
|_| Archives viewable by non-members

To me seems simpler to read and comprehend.

-- Shal


locked Re: Find Group listing #suggestion

 

Steve,

But, since we're not all computer geniuses, I suggest that when a person
creates a private group the default be that the group is not listed in
the public directory of groups and that archives are also private.
I think you already have that. The existing Create A Group page offers a Privacy option with three choices:

Listed in directory, publicly viewable archives
Listed in directory, private archives
Not listed in directory, private archives

I probably would have used two checkboxes rather than a drop-list with three of the four possibilities, but that's because I think that handling one concept at a time is generally easier than compound choices. That is:

|_| Listed in directory
|_| Archives viewable by non-members

To me seems simpler to read and comprehend.

-- Shal


locked Re: Find Group listing #suggestion

Steve Weinberg
 

But, since we're not all computer geniuses, I suggest that when a person creates a private group the default be that the group is not listed in the public directory of groups and that archives are also private.

I have no problem with the group owner having the option then to change these defaults.

Steve

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On Jan 17, 2015, at 2:40 AM, Shal Farley <shal@roadrunner.com> wrote:

Frances,

If there is no special status for "private groups", perhaps showing
up in the directory of groups should be a tick box for the list-owner.
I'd agree with this.

As a general principle I think unrelated effects should have separate controls. In this case, being listed or not in the directory has nothing to do with whether a group's archives are visible to non-members, and has nothing to do with how one becomes a member of the group.

I think that tying together and confounding these separate features under a single name, such as "private" only makes the product less flexible and more confusing. That's one of the many mistakes Yahoo Groups has made in recent years.

-- Shal