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locked Re: Special messages

 

On 1/16/2015 1:58 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:


This is a good use of hashtags. Create a hashtag for each subject. Then
set your group so that messages must include at least one hashtag, and
that members cannot create new hashtags. People will be able to mute (or
follow, depending on their subscription), whichever subjects they're
most interested in.
Okay - that would do the replacement of topics.

Is there a limit to the number of hashtags a group can have? Is it in
the subject line? And if someone forgets to put in a hashtag, would the
default be that nobody sees it; everybody sees it; or like the "Other"
topic, there is a default hashtag that folks can opt into or out of (I
remember how long it took for people to get used to topics - and we
still have people who are unclear on how they work).

dg


locked Re: Find Group listing #suggestion

 

On 1/16/2015 1:33 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
I run a few very private (Yahoo) groups -- private in the sense that
membership is rigorously restricted and the resources (messages, files,
photos, etc.) are private (members only). Yet I want those groups to be
findable by the people who qualify for membership. If I had their
contact info already I might feel differently, but I need them to be
able to find the groups because I don't know how to find them.
But - Steve is right. I am owner of a couple of groups - no longer, or
never, on Yahoo - where it is a closed group of people, and the only way
in is for someone who is a member propose or ask about adding another
person. We then discuss it - and since usually the person is known by
the other members anyway, unless someone has some serious objection,
we then have the original proposer write and ask if the person wants to
be included.

So, it should be an option to allow a private group to be visible in
searches or not.

dg


locked Re: Find Group listing #suggestion

Cacky B
 

Mine would not want to be findable. The people who qualify for membership in groups that I moderate or own learn about us through other sources. They then request membership directly. We do not wish to be listed in any publicly available list.
Cacky

On 1/16/2015 3:33 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
Steve,

wouldn't most "private" groups not even want to be "findable"?
Mine would.

I run a few very private (Yahoo) groups -- private in the sense that membership is rigorously restricted and the resources (messages, files, photos, etc.) are private (members only). Yet I want those groups to be findable by the people who qualify for membership. If I had their contact info already I might feel differently, but I need them to be able to find the groups because I don't know how to find them.

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locked Special Notices, it is done

 

Ok, I flip flopped. I just pushed to the site the option for subscriptions to be set to special notices only. And there's a checkbox in the group post screen to indicate that a post is a special notice (only moderators/owners get the checkbox).

Mark


locked Re: Special messages

 

DG,

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 8:25 AM, CatWoman <diana@...> wrote:

There is a feature of LSoft that is probably the reason people still
use it when there are free options.

It is the ability to set up specific subjects (on one list, CATCARE,
RESCUE, TAILS, ADMIN and OTHER).  People can filter what they want to
see based on the subject.  OTHER is an "opt-in" to see what is sent
that has no subject, or a misspelled subject, etc.  ADMIN is like
special notices.


This is a good use of hashtags. Create a hashtag for each subject. Then set your group so that messages must include at least one hashtag, and that members cannot create new hashtags. People will be able to mute (or follow, depending on their subscription), whichever subjects they're most interested in.

Hope this helps.

Mark


locked Re: Find Group listing #suggestion

 

Steve,

wouldn't most "private" groups not even want to be "findable"?
Mine would.

I run a few very private (Yahoo) groups -- private in the sense that membership is rigorously restricted and the resources (messages, files, photos, etc.) are private (members only). Yet I want those groups to be findable by the people who qualify for membership. If I had their contact info already I might feel differently, but I need them to be able to find the groups because I don't know how to find them.

-- Shal


locked Re: Find Group listing #suggestion

Frances
 

Hi

If there is no special status for “private groups”, perhaps showing up in the directory of groups should be a tick box for the list-owner.

I would be happy for my private group, restricted archives to show up in the list. But I can see that some might not.

Frances

On Jan 16 15, at 4:19 PM, Steve Weinberg <steve.weinberg@mac.com> wrote:

wouldn't most "private" groups not even want to be "findable"? They would want to simply operate on the system anonymously for the benefit of their members. They would not need or want to be discoverable by others.

Steve

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On Jan 16, 2015, at 4:10 PM, Frances <travel@tansymews.ca> wrote:

Love that it shows how active the group is - “last post”..

All very useful.

Frances










locked Re: Find Group listing #suggestion

Frances
 

Hi Mark,

Do you need to change the label on the list of groups?
Some are restricted and private archives, but show up here in “Public Groups”.
I like that they show up in this list, though. 

Are there other groups that are “Private Groups” which won’t show up here?

Frances

On Jan 16 15, at 4:10 PM, Frances <travel@...> wrote:

Love that it shows how active the group is - “last post”.

All very useful.

Frances







locked Re: Find Group listing #suggestion

Steve Weinberg
 

wouldn't most "private" groups not even want to be "findable"? They would want to simply operate on the system anonymously for the benefit of their members. They would not need or want to be discoverable by others.

Steve

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On Jan 16, 2015, at 4:10 PM, Frances <travel@tansymews.ca> wrote:

Love that it shows how active the group is - “last post”.

All very useful.

Frances


locked Re: Find Group listing #suggestion

Frances
 

Love that it shows how active the group is - “last post”.

All very useful.

Frances


locked Re: Thank You

Cacky B
 

The thanks should be going in the other direction.  THANK YOU!
Cacky

On 1/16/2015 12:34 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Hey Everyone,

It was a year ago this week that I started working on Groups.io. On this occasion, I wanted to say thanks for all the help that everyone here has given; Groups.io is infinitely better because of the input of everyone here.

Thanks,
Mark




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locked Re: Thank You

christopher hallsworth <challsworth2@...>
 

Hi Mark,
You're welcome for any help I could offer even though I only joined recently. It is brilliant no doubt about that and one of the best email groups service in terms of accessibility and usability and praying it stays that way unlike Yahoogroups or Googlegroups whose accessibility has deteriorated to the point it's so difficult to use it's not worth the time and hassle to try.

On 16 Jan 2015, at 18:34, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Hey Everyone,

It was a year ago this week that I started working on Groups.io. On this occasion, I wanted to say thanks for all the help that everyone here has given; Groups.io is infinitely better because of the input of everyone here.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Thank You

 

Hey Everyone,

It was a year ago this week that I started working on Groups.io. On this occasion, I wanted to say thanks for all the help that everyone here has given; Groups.io is infinitely better because of the input of everyone here.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Taglines

 

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 5:05 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

On a somewhat related item, what's the difference between Full Name and User Name?  When is each used and where/when do they show up?


Full Name is supposed to be your full name (or what you consider your full name).. User Name is a short, no spaces, username, like a twitter username. Usernames are unique in the system, full names are not. If you do not have a username set, your profile is private (the public profile URL is https://groups.io/profile/username). I originally had it in the archives so that if we see a @username in a message, that would get linked to the profile of the person, although I just checked and it appears to not be working at the moment.

Mark


locked Re: Find Group listing #suggestion

 

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 6:35 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

I was playing around this morning and thought of a possible change on the Find Group pages.  It would be helpful to me if it stated whether a group was public or private.  I know it's easy to tell once I go to the groups home page, so this is definitely not an urgent need.


Good idea, easy to fix. I've just pushed the change. It now displays whether archives are public or private, and if the group has restricted membership.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: How does one follow a topic or hashtag?

 

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 1:56 AM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:
Hmm...

I'm feeling a little dense, like I'm missing something obvious.

Not dense at all.

My initial assumption was that people would interact with their groups through email and through the 'Inbox' view on the Groups.io website, instead of visiting individual group archives. When you subscribe to a group, all of the group messages instantly show up in your Inbox. So, when viewing threads in Inbox view, depending on your subscription, you'll have either 'Mute This Thread' or 'Follow This Thread' at the top (you get the same option in the message footers when emailed to you). And there are separate views for threads you've already muted or followed, along with muted hashtags, so that you can 'undo' those operations.

There currently is no option to follow a specific hashtag. That's clearly missing.

"No Email" currently means no email (subject to the other special notices discussion...)

If your subscription is set to First Message Only or Replies Only, you'll still get email from any thread that you follow.

Basically, if you're set to All Messages, you end up Muting things you don't want. If set to First Message or Replies Only, you end up Following things you do want.

This all is tremendously confusing, I agree. I believe you're the first person to dig into this stuff (and therefore the first person to review my design....) So, like with everything else, suggestions are appreciated. :)

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: HTML safety in posted messages

 

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:39 PM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:

I'm not sure what all the ramifications might be, but would it make sense for the email message bodies passed through also be "sanitized" - stripped of potentially harmful tags - just as the archive copy is?

That could provide a higher degree of confidence for members of Groups.io groups.

That's an interesting thought but I'm not sure it would improve anything. At this point, I've got to believe that most(all?) modern email clients have been hardened against these kinds of attacks. 

Mark


locked Re: Special messages

hsnetby7 <hsnetby7@...>
 

Someone may have already said this, but the moderator/owner might need to send important notices, regardless of the users choice like welcome, netiquette, warnings, notice the person will be blocked,  a new rule, etc.  

Is that allowed regardless of the users choices? 

Hanna


Sent from my phone.  Please excse typos and short messages. 

On Jan 15, 2015, at 11:17 PM, JohnF via GROUPS.IO <user+1242@groups.io> wrote:

You're assuming special messages are extremely rare, but a group could make use of them more frequently.  Say, a group that produces a weekly newsletter.  Some people just want to get the newsletter each week, and some want to chat about it.

  • Users who want everything in mail, the newsletters and the commentary, just subscribe to all mail.
  • Users who just want the newsletter in mail could subscribe to special notices, with the rule that a moderator will always send out the newsletter as a special notice.  Only the newsletters (and really important stuff) get sent as special notices, so those users get what they want.
  • Users who don't want a weekly newsletter in their mail but want to read it online set their accounts to No Mail.

So that would be an example where No Mail and Special Notices would both be realistic settings for different users.

JohnF



locked Re: Special messages

 

On 1/15/2015 8:17 PM, JohnF via GROUPS.IO wrote:
You're assuming special messages are extremely rare, but a group could
make use of them more frequently. Say, a group that produces a weekly
newsletter. Some people just want to get the newsletter each week, and
some want to chat about it.
There is a feature of LSoft that is probably the reason people still
use it when there are free options.

It is the ability to set up specific subjects (on one list, CATCARE,
RESCUE, TAILS, ADMIN and OTHER). People can filter what they want to
see based on the subject. OTHER is an "opt-in" to see what is sent
that has no subject, or a misspelled subject, etc. ADMIN is like
special notices.

It allows you to set up one group instead of having people have to
subscribe to multiple groups. And the owner only has to manage the
one group.

I don't know how hard this is to implement, or if LSoft has a lock
on the use of this - but I would love to be able to set up a group
on an LSoft server just for the Topics option.

If anyone else has experience with LSoft and thinks this is a good
idea - can we put it on the "pie in the sky" to do?

dg


locked Re: Special messages

 

On 1/15/2015 6:24 PM, Marlin47@mchsi.com wrote:

I don't think it is any of the group owner's business how the member has
his setting set.
In case it hasn't been clear - I agree with this. What a person sets
their *own* options to is their business.

It becomes my business under two situations:

1) The listserver sets the person to nomail due to bounces and the
person complains that they are not getting mail (Yahoo and MailMan
do this - if the person complains about not getting mail, then I'd
need to test it. Infinitely preferable to LSoft's automatic
removal, however).

2) The person complains that they are not getting mail - and I need
to explain that they won't if set to nomail. Or the opposite - they
are getting too much email and I need to know they are *not* set to
nomail.

Otherwise - I am a member of a lot of ygroups, and at this moment am
on special notices for all except the ones I moderate/own. Most of
them are related to cat diseases - and I no longer have a cat with
that disease (knock wood), but if it comes back, I want to have
immediate access to the group to refresh my memory...

dg