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Re: Thank You
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The thanks should be going in the other direction. THANK YOU!
Cacky On 1/16/2015 12:34 PM, Mark Fletcher
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Re: Thank You
christopher hallsworth <challsworth2@...>
Hi Mark,
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You're welcome for any help I could offer even though I only joined recently. It is brilliant no doubt about that and one of the best email groups service in terms of accessibility and usability and praying it stays that way unlike Yahoogroups or Googlegroups whose accessibility has deteriorated to the point it's so difficult to use it's not worth the time and hassle to try.
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Thank You
Hey Everyone, It was a year ago this week that I started working on Groups.io. On this occasion, I wanted to say thanks for all the help that everyone here has given; Groups.io is infinitely better because of the input of everyone here. Thanks, Mark
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Re: Taglines
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 5:05 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
Full Name is supposed to be your full name (or what you consider your full name).. User Name is a short, no spaces, username, like a twitter username. Usernames are unique in the system, full names are not. If you do not have a username set, your profile is private (the public profile URL is https://groups.io/profile/username). I originally had it in the archives so that if we see a @username in a message, that would get linked to the profile of the person, although I just checked and it appears to not be working at the moment. Mark
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Re: Find Group listing
#suggestion
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 6:35 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
Good idea, easy to fix. I've just pushed the change. It now displays whether archives are public or private, and if the group has restricted membership. Thanks, Mark
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Re: How does one follow a topic or hashtag?
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 1:56 AM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote: Hmm... Not dense at all. My initial assumption was that people would interact with their groups through email and through the 'Inbox' view on the Groups.io website, instead of visiting individual group archives. When you subscribe to a group, all of the group messages instantly show up in your Inbox. So, when viewing threads in Inbox view, depending on your subscription, you'll have either 'Mute This Thread' or 'Follow This Thread' at the top (you get the same option in the message footers when emailed to you). And there are separate views for threads you've already muted or followed, along with muted hashtags, so that you can 'undo' those operations. There currently is no option to follow a specific hashtag. That's clearly missing. "No Email" currently means no email (subject to the other special notices discussion...) If your subscription is set to First Message Only or Replies Only, you'll still get email from any thread that you follow. Basically, if you're set to All Messages, you end up Muting things you don't want. If set to First Message or Replies Only, you end up Following things you do want. This all is tremendously confusing, I agree. I believe you're the first person to dig into this stuff (and therefore the first person to review my design....) So, like with everything else, suggestions are appreciated. :) Thanks, Mark
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Re: HTML safety in posted messages
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:39 PM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:
That's an interesting thought but I'm not sure it would improve anything. At this point, I've got to believe that most(all?) modern email clients have been hardened against these kinds of attacks. Mark
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Re: Special messages
hsnetby7 <hsnetby7@...>
Someone may have already said this, but the moderator/owner might need to send important notices, regardless of the users choice like welcome, netiquette, warnings, notice the person will be blocked, a new rule, etc. Is that allowed regardless of the users choices? Hanna Sent from my phone. Please excse typos and short messages.
On Jan 15, 2015, at 11:17 PM, JohnF via GROUPS.IO <user+1242@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Special messages
On 1/15/2015 8:17 PM, JohnF via GROUPS.IO wrote:
You're assuming special messages are extremely rare, but a group couldThere is a feature of LSoft that is probably the reason people still use it when there are free options. It is the ability to set up specific subjects (on one list, CATCARE, RESCUE, TAILS, ADMIN and OTHER). People can filter what they want to see based on the subject. OTHER is an "opt-in" to see what is sent that has no subject, or a misspelled subject, etc. ADMIN is like special notices. It allows you to set up one group instead of having people have to subscribe to multiple groups. And the owner only has to manage the one group. I don't know how hard this is to implement, or if LSoft has a lock on the use of this - but I would love to be able to set up a group on an LSoft server just for the Topics option. If anyone else has experience with LSoft and thinks this is a good idea - can we put it on the "pie in the sky" to do? dg
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Re: Special messages
On 1/15/2015 6:24 PM, Marlin47@mchsi.com wrote:
In case it hasn't been clear - I agree with this. What a person sets their *own* options to is their business. It becomes my business under two situations: 1) The listserver sets the person to nomail due to bounces and the person complains that they are not getting mail (Yahoo and MailMan do this - if the person complains about not getting mail, then I'd need to test it. Infinitely preferable to LSoft's automatic removal, however). 2) The person complains that they are not getting mail - and I need to explain that they won't if set to nomail. Or the opposite - they are getting too much email and I need to know they are *not* set to nomail. Otherwise - I am a member of a lot of ygroups, and at this moment am on special notices for all except the ones I moderate/own. Most of them are related to cat diseases - and I no longer have a cat with that disease (knock wood), but if it comes back, I want to have immediate access to the group to refresh my memory... dg
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Find Group listing
#suggestion
I was playing around this morning and thought of a possible change on the Find Group pages. It would be helpful to me if it stated whether a group was public or private. I know it's easy to tell once I go to the groups home page, so this is definitely not an urgent need. Duane
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Re: Site updates
#changelog
Laurence Taylor
On 15 Jan 2015 21:33, Laurence Taylor wrote:
On 15 Jan 2015 09:42, Feathered Leader wrote:Having said that, on that message I got the message number - and otherMessage Numbers!I don't see tham at all. information - in the footer. The odd thing is, not all messages have the footer at all. -- rgds LAurence <><
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Re: Taglines
I'd like to see a signature configured for each group,probably as part of the Subscription page as Shal said. I'm on several here already and my preferred sig on my own groups wouldn't make much sense on some of the others. On a somewhat related item, what's the difference between Full Name and User Name? When is each used and where/when do they show up? Duane
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How does one follow a topic or hashtag?
Hmm...
I'm feeling a little dense, like I'm missing something obvious. Say I join a group and set my Subscription to "First Message Only. "The first message of every thread is emailed to you, along with all messages from threads you start. You can decide to receive additional messages from threads you're interested in. Ok, so I go browse the Archives and spot a few topics I'm interested in. I don't see a Follow button anywhere. How do I follow them? I go browse the #HashTags and spot a few of those I'm interested in. How do I follow them? And what about the "Replies Only" and "No Email" delivery options. Do they preclude me from following topics or #HashTags of interest? -- Shal
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Membership Templates
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Mark,
I think a lot of groups would find it handy to be able to establish a "Template" or "Default" for the collection of options on the Membership page for new members. That is, when a new member joins their "Membership" is initialized from the template (or default). That would include their "Email Delivery" and "Posting Privileges" currently, plus whatever new options are implemented later. Notably, this would supersede the "New Users Moderated" checkbox on the Settings page; new members could be set to any Posting Privilege. I don't think Role ought to be part of the template; but I'm not entirely sure why not. Likewise, there would be a template for new moderators, and new owners, each of which applies when a member's role is changed to one of those two (but demoting someone back to Member should not reset the member's options to the Member template). The "Owner" template would include the "Notifications" and "Owner Email" options; the "Moderator" template would have those plus the "Moderator Permissions". My original thought was that the list of those three templates (member, moderator, owner) would be accessed a "Templates" tab on the Members page, next to the "Members", "Moderators", "Pending Approval" and "Banned" lists. But I could see an argument that they should be accessed from the Settings page instead. -- Shal
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Re: Special messages
JohnF,
So that would be an example where No Mail and Special Notices would bothClever. But not necessarily relevant to Groups.io, where the ability to subscribe to #hashtags provides a way to achieve that result which is both more flexible and easier to understand. -- Shal
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HTML safety in posted messages
dg,
And another FYI - it came through fine to my email - TBird, set up toMe too. Mark Fletcher wrote: Just FYI, the reason the other message doesn't show up correctly in theI'm not sure what all the ramifications might be, but would it make sense for the email message bodies passed through also be "sanitized" - stripped of potentially harmful tags - just as the archive copy is? That could provide a higher degree of confidence for members of Groups.io groups. -- Shal
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Re: Special messages
You're assuming special messages are extremely rare, but a group could make use of them more frequently. Say, a group that produces a weekly newsletter. Some people just want to get the newsletter each week, and some want to chat about it.
So that would be an example where No Mail and Special Notices would both be realistic settings for different users. JohnF
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Re: Special messages
Marlin47
Mark, years and years ago, when I was new at running groups, I actually paid attention to who was on "no mail". Today, I could not possibly care less, even if I tried. I remember back when I cared, I contacted a few people and asked why they were on no mail, I remember I had one reply that stood out, a guy told me that he was not allowed to use his computer at work for personal things. So, he would access the web site and read the mail and post from the web site when the boss was away. He said he could not afford to risk the possibility of getting mail from the group while at work. I often wondered why he didn't use an online email address but, I figured that was his business, anyway he said that if he had to go to something other than no mail, he would have to leave the group. He was one of the most active posters. I suggest leaving the situation to where the individual members make their own choice. I don't think it is any of the group owner's business how the member has his setting set. Now, if you absolutely have to do something, make it impossible for the group owner to know if a member is on "no mail", problem solved. Marlin
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Today's updates
#changelog
Changes to the site today: - Fixed a crash bug when accessing integrations page when not subscribed to the group. - Changed all search icons to be clickable. - Backend work for special posts. - When switching between archive message views (single message, list of messages, expanded messages), we remember where you are and what the sort direction is. Also, jumping to an individual message stays in your current message view. Basically, things are much better. I've seen two instances today where the web site froze up. I have not yet tracked down the bug, but I am on it. Mark
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