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locked Re: Find Group listing #suggestion

Frances
 

Love that it shows how active the group is - “last post”.

All very useful.

Frances


locked Re: Thank You

Cacky B
 

The thanks should be going in the other direction.  THANK YOU!
Cacky

On 1/16/2015 12:34 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Hey Everyone,

It was a year ago this week that I started working on Groups.io. On this occasion, I wanted to say thanks for all the help that everyone here has given; Groups.io is infinitely better because of the input of everyone here.

Thanks,
Mark




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locked Re: Thank You

Christopher Hallsworth
 

Hi Mark,
You're welcome for any help I could offer even though I only joined recently. It is brilliant no doubt about that and one of the best email groups service in terms of accessibility and usability and praying it stays that way unlike Yahoogroups or Googlegroups whose accessibility has deteriorated to the point it's so difficult to use it's not worth the time and hassle to try.

On 16 Jan 2015, at 18:34, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Hey Everyone,

It was a year ago this week that I started working on Groups.io. On this occasion, I wanted to say thanks for all the help that everyone here has given; Groups.io is infinitely better because of the input of everyone here.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Thank You

 

Hey Everyone,

It was a year ago this week that I started working on Groups.io. On this occasion, I wanted to say thanks for all the help that everyone here has given; Groups.io is infinitely better because of the input of everyone here.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Taglines

 

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 5:05 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

On a somewhat related item, what's the difference between Full Name and User Name?  When is each used and where/when do they show up?


Full Name is supposed to be your full name (or what you consider your full name).. User Name is a short, no spaces, username, like a twitter username. Usernames are unique in the system, full names are not. If you do not have a username set, your profile is private (the public profile URL is https://groups.io/profile/username). I originally had it in the archives so that if we see a @username in a message, that would get linked to the profile of the person, although I just checked and it appears to not be working at the moment.

Mark


locked Re: Find Group listing #suggestion

 

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 6:35 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

I was playing around this morning and thought of a possible change on the Find Group pages.  It would be helpful to me if it stated whether a group was public or private.  I know it's easy to tell once I go to the groups home page, so this is definitely not an urgent need.


Good idea, easy to fix. I've just pushed the change. It now displays whether archives are public or private, and if the group has restricted membership.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: How does one follow a topic or hashtag?

 

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 1:56 AM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:
Hmm...

I'm feeling a little dense, like I'm missing something obvious.

Not dense at all.

My initial assumption was that people would interact with their groups through email and through the 'Inbox' view on the Groups.io website, instead of visiting individual group archives. When you subscribe to a group, all of the group messages instantly show up in your Inbox. So, when viewing threads in Inbox view, depending on your subscription, you'll have either 'Mute This Thread' or 'Follow This Thread' at the top (you get the same option in the message footers when emailed to you). And there are separate views for threads you've already muted or followed, along with muted hashtags, so that you can 'undo' those operations.

There currently is no option to follow a specific hashtag. That's clearly missing.

"No Email" currently means no email (subject to the other special notices discussion...)

If your subscription is set to First Message Only or Replies Only, you'll still get email from any thread that you follow.

Basically, if you're set to All Messages, you end up Muting things you don't want. If set to First Message or Replies Only, you end up Following things you do want.

This all is tremendously confusing, I agree. I believe you're the first person to dig into this stuff (and therefore the first person to review my design....) So, like with everything else, suggestions are appreciated. :)

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: HTML safety in posted messages

 

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:39 PM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:

I'm not sure what all the ramifications might be, but would it make sense for the email message bodies passed through also be "sanitized" - stripped of potentially harmful tags - just as the archive copy is?

That could provide a higher degree of confidence for members of Groups.io groups.

That's an interesting thought but I'm not sure it would improve anything. At this point, I've got to believe that most(all?) modern email clients have been hardened against these kinds of attacks. 

Mark


locked Re: Special messages

hsnetby7 <hsnetby7@...>
 

Someone may have already said this, but the moderator/owner might need to send important notices, regardless of the users choice like welcome, netiquette, warnings, notice the person will be blocked,  a new rule, etc.  

Is that allowed regardless of the users choices? 

Hanna


Sent from my phone.  Please excse typos and short messages. 

On Jan 15, 2015, at 11:17 PM, JohnF via GROUPS.IO <user+1242@groups.io> wrote:

You're assuming special messages are extremely rare, but a group could make use of them more frequently.  Say, a group that produces a weekly newsletter.  Some people just want to get the newsletter each week, and some want to chat about it.

  • Users who want everything in mail, the newsletters and the commentary, just subscribe to all mail.
  • Users who just want the newsletter in mail could subscribe to special notices, with the rule that a moderator will always send out the newsletter as a special notice.  Only the newsletters (and really important stuff) get sent as special notices, so those users get what they want.
  • Users who don't want a weekly newsletter in their mail but want to read it online set their accounts to No Mail.

So that would be an example where No Mail and Special Notices would both be realistic settings for different users.

JohnF



locked Re: Special messages

 

On 1/15/2015 8:17 PM, JohnF via GROUPS.IO wrote:
You're assuming special messages are extremely rare, but a group could
make use of them more frequently. Say, a group that produces a weekly
newsletter. Some people just want to get the newsletter each week, and
some want to chat about it.
There is a feature of LSoft that is probably the reason people still
use it when there are free options.

It is the ability to set up specific subjects (on one list, CATCARE,
RESCUE, TAILS, ADMIN and OTHER). People can filter what they want to
see based on the subject. OTHER is an "opt-in" to see what is sent
that has no subject, or a misspelled subject, etc. ADMIN is like
special notices.

It allows you to set up one group instead of having people have to
subscribe to multiple groups. And the owner only has to manage the
one group.

I don't know how hard this is to implement, or if LSoft has a lock
on the use of this - but I would love to be able to set up a group
on an LSoft server just for the Topics option.

If anyone else has experience with LSoft and thinks this is a good
idea - can we put it on the "pie in the sky" to do?

dg


locked Re: Special messages

 

On 1/15/2015 6:24 PM, Marlin47@... wrote:

I don't think it is any of the group owner's business how the member has
his setting set.
In case it hasn't been clear - I agree with this. What a person sets
their *own* options to is their business.

It becomes my business under two situations:

1) The listserver sets the person to nomail due to bounces and the
person complains that they are not getting mail (Yahoo and MailMan
do this - if the person complains about not getting mail, then I'd
need to test it. Infinitely preferable to LSoft's automatic
removal, however).

2) The person complains that they are not getting mail - and I need
to explain that they won't if set to nomail. Or the opposite - they
are getting too much email and I need to know they are *not* set to
nomail.

Otherwise - I am a member of a lot of ygroups, and at this moment am
on special notices for all except the ones I moderate/own. Most of
them are related to cat diseases - and I no longer have a cat with
that disease (knock wood), but if it comes back, I want to have
immediate access to the group to refresh my memory...

dg


locked Find Group listing #suggestion

Duane
 

I was playing around this morning and thought of a possible change on the Find Group pages.  It would be helpful to me if it stated whether a group was public or private.  I know it's easy to tell once I go to the groups home page, so this is definitely not an urgent need.


Duane



locked Re: Site updates #changelog

Laurence Taylor
 

On 15 Jan 2015 21:33, Laurence Taylor wrote:
On 15 Jan 2015 09:42, Feathered Leader wrote:
Message Numbers!
Ooooh! Now I see them in the site AND in mail!
I don't see tham at all.
Having said that, on that message I got the message number - and other
information - in the footer. The odd thing is, not all messages have the
footer at all.

--
rgds
LAurence
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locked Re: Taglines

Duane
 

I'd like to see a signature configured for each group,probably as part of the Subscription page as Shal said.  I'm on several here already and my preferred sig on my own groups wouldn't make much sense on some of the others.


On a somewhat related item, what's the difference between Full Name and User Name?  When is each used and where/when do they show up?


Duane



locked How does one follow a topic or hashtag?

 

Hmm...

I'm feeling a little dense, like I'm missing something obvious.

Say I join a group and set my Subscription to "First Message Only.
"The first message of every thread is emailed to you, along with all
messages from threads you start. You can decide to receive additional
messages from threads you're interested in.

Ok, so I go browse the Archives and spot a few topics I'm interested in. I don't see a Follow button anywhere. How do I follow them?

I go browse the #HashTags and spot a few of those I'm interested in. How do I follow them?

And what about the "Replies Only" and "No Email" delivery options. Do they preclude me from following topics or #HashTags of interest?

-- Shal


locked Membership Templates #suggestion

 

Mark,

I think a lot of groups would find it handy to be able to establish a "Template" or "Default" for the collection of options on the Membership page for new members. That is, when a new member joins their "Membership" is initialized from the template (or default).

That would include their "Email Delivery" and "Posting Privileges" currently, plus whatever new options are implemented later. Notably, this would supersede the "New Users Moderated" checkbox on the Settings page; new members could be set to any Posting Privilege.

I don't think Role ought to be part of the template; but I'm not entirely sure why not.

Likewise, there would be a template for new moderators, and new owners, each of which applies when a member's role is changed to one of those two (but demoting someone back to Member should not reset the member's options to the Member template). The "Owner" template would include the "Notifications" and "Owner Email" options; the "Moderator" template would have those plus the "Moderator Permissions".

My original thought was that the list of those three templates (member, moderator, owner) would be accessed a "Templates" tab on the Members page, next to the "Members", "Moderators", "Pending Approval" and "Banned" lists. But I could see an argument that they should be accessed from the Settings page instead.

-- Shal


locked Re: Special messages

 

JohnF,

So that would be an example where No Mail and Special Notices would both
be realistic settings for different users.
Clever.

But not necessarily relevant to Groups.io, where the ability to subscribe to #hashtags provides a way to achieve that result which is both more flexible and easier to understand.

-- Shal


locked HTML safety in posted messages

 

dg,

And another FYI - it came through fine to my email - TBird, set up to
read HTML, but only compose in ascii.
Me too.

Mark Fletcher wrote:

Just FYI, the reason the other message doesn't show up correctly in the
archives is that you cut and pasted HTML radio button widgets.
I'm not sure what all the ramifications might be, but would it make sense for the email message bodies passed through also be "sanitized" - stripped of potentially harmful tags - just as the archive copy is?

That could provide a higher degree of confidence for members of Groups.io groups.

-- Shal


locked Re: Special messages

 

You're assuming special messages are extremely rare, but a group could make use of them more frequently.  Say, a group that produces a weekly newsletter.  Some people just want to get the newsletter each week, and some want to chat about it.

  • Users who want everything in mail, the newsletters and the commentary, just subscribe to all mail.
  • Users who just want the newsletter in mail could subscribe to special notices, with the rule that a moderator will always send out the newsletter as a special notice.  Only the newsletters (and really important stuff) get sent as special notices, so those users get what they want.
  • Users who don't want a weekly newsletter in their mail but want to read it online set their accounts to No Mail.

So that would be an example where No Mail and Special Notices would both be realistic settings for different users.

JohnF



locked Re: Special messages

Marlin47
 


Mark, years and years ago, when I was new at running groups, I actually paid attention to who was on "no mail".

Today, I could not possibly care less, even if I tried.

I remember back when I cared, I contacted a few people and asked why they were on no mail, I remember I had one reply that stood out, a guy told me that he was not allowed to use his computer at work for personal things.

So, he would access the web site and read the mail and post from the web site when the boss was away.

He said he could not afford to risk the possibility of getting mail from the group while at work.

I often wondered why he didn't use an online email address but, I figured that was his business, anyway he said that if he had to go to something other than no mail, he would have to leave the group.

He was one of the most active posters.

I suggest leaving the situation to where the individual members make their own choice.

I don't think it is any of the group owner's business how the member has his setting set.

Now, if you absolutely have to do something, make it impossible for the group owner to know if a member is on "no mail", problem solved.

Marlin





On 1/15/2015 7:41 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Shal,

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:39 AM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:

"No Mail" is a feature that perennially generates heated commentary on the various Yahoo Groups moderator forums. Some moderators are adamant about preventing members from choosing the option, some members are equally vehement in asserting that messing with the member's delivery choice is a violation of the member's prerogatives.

Personally I think both sides in this argument are a bit foolish.


Thanks for your summary of the arguments. I'm really torn on this. I understand the people that want 'no mail' to mean no mail. I also understand the need from time to time for moderators to get in touch with users. And we make it easy enough for moderators to contact individual users from the website, regardless of their subscription setting.

I'm tempted to make no mail mean no mail except special messages, if for no other reason than it's simpler, and we already have a billion subscription options. If anyone feels very strongly in the other direction about this, please speak up now.

Thanks,
Mark