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locked Re: Spammer attack- More bad news

vickie <vickie_00@...>
 

Brian, 
This topic is shifting  towards a political discussion and I do not want to go there.
I am sorry I even used Hilary as an example.. ugh..lol
Let's  just say we agree to disagree.
Peace!
 

Vickie

 









From: Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Sunday, May 8, 2016 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Spammer attack- More bad news

Vickie,
           I have checked.  The only thing that the hacker, known as Guccifer, is known to have hacked is an exchange between Clinton and Blumenthal, and it remains unclear exactly who he hacked to get it.  See here (and others, but I'm not going to post endless links).
           Were there were to have been any substantial hacking of Clinton's e-mail server I have absolutely no doubt that we'd have another Julian Assange/Wikileaks incident going on.  The political value of such a revelation would be incalculable.  The fact that we don't speaks volumes.
            Like I said earlier, a lot of speculation strains credulity.
Brian



locked Re: Spammer attack- More bad news

 

On Sun, May 8, 2016 at 11:12 am, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
the hacker, known as Guccifer,

Is that a cross between Gucci and Lucifer?  
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J

It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Re: Spammer attack- More bad news

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Vickie,

           I have checked.  The only thing that the hacker, known as Guccifer, is known to have hacked is an exchange between Clinton and Blumenthal, and it remains unclear exactly who he hacked to get it.  See here (and others, but I'm not going to post endless links).

           Were there were to have been any substantial hacking of Clinton's e-mail server I have absolutely no doubt that we'd have another Julian Assange/Wikileaks incident going on.  The political value of such a revelation would be incalculable.  The fact that we don't speaks volumes.

            Like I said earlier, a lot of speculation strains credulity.

Brian


locked Re: Wording for digest options

Sue
 

For me it depends on where I am going to be reading the mails. If I read on my computer or laptop then either version works fine. If I read on my phone then it has to be plain text because the digest doesn't fit the screen and scrolling to read the whole message is too much of a pain. Sue


locked Re: Spammer attack- More bad news

vickie <vickie_00@...>
 

Brian,   As far as Hiliray Clinton it's   spoken of in every news channel/ media
One guy was arrested for hacking her email account.

 You can check for yourself. I am not going to do the research for you. sorry.
 

Vickie

 









From: Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Sunday, May 8, 2016 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Spammer attack- More bad news

Vickie,
           Different strokes for different folks.  I also suggest you show me anything that reports that Hillary Clinton's e-mail was actually hacked - so far there's not been a single report that it was hacked and many reports indicating that it was not.  Speculation is rife and a lot of that speculation strains credulity.
Brian



locked Putting a consistent message marker at the *start* of each message in the web interface

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

I am suggesting that something along the lines of a "Post #1 of 1" marker, where, of course, the respective numbers will change as additional posts are made be put at the start of every message.  This is a common feature on most forums I've been participating on for some time now and I've attached a screen shot with an example.

I have joined a number of groups hosted on groups.io that are related to technologies created for individuals who have varying degrees of vision loss.  At the current time most of the participants on those groups use e-mail, mostly because of habit and historical custom, but being able to use the web interface could make a huge difference in a person's ability to search the historical archives that get created there, which are really not available when e-mail is used.

It is difficult, though, at the present time to navigate quickly from message to message when you've got a thread open when you're using a screen reader to read them.  There are consistent markers at the end of each message that are simple to search on such as the Like, Reply, Edit, & Delete links, but using them throws you to the end of the first message displayed, and if you're using reverse chronological order in your web interface display, like I do, that means you are taken to the end of the most recently posted message and have to figure your way back to the start of it.

Right now the link to the message poster's profile page is the first thing that appears in a given post, but since the person posting changes (or can change) with each and every message this cannot be effectively used as a text searching landmark by a screen reader user.  Since the screen reader find is one of the most powerful ways to jump from place to place quickly it is very often used to do so, but for this to be able to be used requires some consistent text landmark to be available in the necessary location for it to be effective.   Having the text landmark of "Post #" or "Message #" at the beginning of each message in thread view would provide just such a text landmark.

Please consider adding this.  If there is a way I should be submitting this as a feature request, rather than posting to the beta group, please let me know.

Brian


locked Re: Is GMAIL putting groups.io in promo tab?

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Well, since what gets put in "Promotions" is the direct result of the Gmail equivalent of message filtering there has got to be *something* about the digest content itself that's triggering that filter.

If this is a big concern then the "offending content" (for lack of a better term) needs to be determined that triggers the filter.

Another option is to create a filter in Gmail itself on e-mail coming from digestnoreply@groups.io doing something like always marking said messages as important, which effectively prevents them from ever going into Promotions.  I realize this is a workaround, but it can at least solve the problem from the user end until the "trigger" for what's getting certain digests categorized as Promotions can be determined.

Brian


locked Re: Is GMAIL putting groups.io in promo tab?

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

J_catlady,

I also forgot to add that I get that "selectively in promotions" behavior for a number of non-groups.io e-mail messages I receive, some of which actually are promotions that end up in my inbox and some of which are not promotions that end up in my promotions.

If I drag a couple of the ones that landed in promotions into my inbox tab Gmail tends to learn that I don't consider these promotions, too.  Gmail works in mysterious ways at times.


locked Re: New subscription option?

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Mark,

          If this is not difficult to do it certainly would be a nice feature.

          Historically I've been accustomed to digests being generated once every 24 hours at the time designated by the software that controls digest creation.  On these forums I think it was you that told me that they get generated either once every 24 hours when traffic is slow or once every 25 new messages received on a given forum when traffic is fast.  I would imagine that on certain forums that could result in a deluge of digests and, depending on how the digest creation actually works and keeps track of what it has already sent for a given user, possible result in digests that get "bigger and bigger" if the message selection criteria is based on a hard date/time rather than "when was the last date/time I used to create a digest for this particular user."

Brian


locked Re: Spammer attack- More bad news

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Vickie,

           Different strokes for different folks.  I also suggest you show me anything that reports that Hillary Clinton's e-mail was actually hacked - so far there's not been a single report that it was hacked and many reports indicating that it was not.  Speculation is rife and a lot of that speculation strains credulity.

Brian


locked Re: Spammer attack- More bad news

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

J_catlady,

        I read what it says, but I don't necessarily believe everything I read.  What makes that claim particularly "fishy" as far as I'm concerned is the statement that the alleged hacker was willing to hand this data over "for fame."

        If he was selling on the black market, this information had far more financial value to him than fame does, and criminals in it for the money are generally doing every last thing they can to remain in the shadows.

        There's a lot of hype in the tech press.  I don't doubt the hack, I do doubt that anyone actually knows what the hacker did with the data.

        Like I said, one must undertake a risk assessment and act accordingly.  In my case acting accordingly is simply watchful waiting.  If any suspicious activity turns up in the next few days to weeks then I'll do something more.  I'm not expecting to have to do more.

Brian


locked Re: Spammer attack- More bad news

vickie <vickie_00@...>
 

J,  >>>This one says they're being traded on the black market.


According to this website it's a booming business.  More money  than selling drugs..

To   Brian Vogel,  though you feel differently  about it  I give an example of Hillary Clinton a government official   suffering the affects of her email   being hacked.  

I choose to  use caution at all times.

 

Vickie

 









From: J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Sunday, May 8, 2016 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Spammer attack- More bad news

This one says they're being traded on the black market.

On Sun, May 8, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Related to Vickie's response, my degree of paranoia regarding any potential security breach is predicated on how much immediate damage might result.  If it's huge, that gets one set of precautionary actions, if not, it gets another.
My experience with most of these e-mail account hacks is that they're done "for the glory of it" and very little else.  These days there's little need to actually hack into someone's actual e-mail account when spoofing is such an easy thing to do.  Throw a sniffer out there, collect some random e-mail addresses, and create your spam or phishing messages using those or by using the e-mail address of the actual business you're trying to make yourself appear to be.
In general, I've gotten pretty far away from the, "I need to change my password yesterday!!," position based on too many years of experience with these sorts of hacks.  Others, of course, feel differently and act differently.  It's a matter of personal risk assessment and what risks you're comfortable in accepting.
Brian


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J
It's dumb to buy smart water.



locked Re: Spammer attack- More bad news

 

This one says they're being traded on the black market.

On Sun, May 8, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Related to Vickie's response, my degree of paranoia regarding any potential security breach is predicated on how much immediate damage might result.  If it's huge, that gets one set of precautionary actions, if not, it gets another.

My experience with most of these e-mail account hacks is that they're done "for the glory of it" and very little else.  These days there's little need to actually hack into someone's actual e-mail account when spoofing is such an easy thing to do.  Throw a sniffer out there, collect some random e-mail addresses, and create your spam or phishing messages using those or by using the e-mail address of the actual business you're trying to make yourself appear to be.

In general, I've gotten pretty far away from the, "I need to change my password yesterday!!," position based on too many years of experience with these sorts of hacks.  Others, of course, feel differently and act differently.  It's a matter of personal risk assessment and what risks you're comfortable in accepting.

Brian



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J

It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Re: Spammer attack- More bad news

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Related to Vickie's response, my degree of paranoia regarding any potential security breach is predicated on how much immediate damage might result.  If it's huge, that gets one set of precautionary actions, if not, it gets another.

My experience with most of these e-mail account hacks is that they're done "for the glory of it" and very little else.  These days there's little need to actually hack into someone's actual e-mail account when spoofing is such an easy thing to do.  Throw a sniffer out there, collect some random e-mail addresses, and create your spam or phishing messages using those or by using the e-mail address of the actual business you're trying to make yourself appear to be.

In general, I've gotten pretty far away from the, "I need to change my password yesterday!!," position based on too many years of experience with these sorts of hacks.  Others, of course, feel differently and act differently.  It's a matter of personal risk assessment and what risks you're comfortable in accepting.

Brian


locked Re: Spammer attack- More bad news

vickie <vickie_00@...>
 

Nothing wrong with being overly paranoid,  especially if you own a business.. 
If they can hack microsoft, yahoo , Hotmail,   and more  I say  lean on being paranoid lol .

Vickie

 









From: J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Sunday, May 8, 2016 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Spammer attack- More bad news

I guess I worry that a hacker will get in and change my password and then, because I can no longer log in, I won't get the warning email. But maybe that's being overly paranoid. :-)
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J
It's dumb to buy smart water.



locked Re: Spammer attack- More bad news

 

I guess I worry that a hacker will get in and change my password and then, because I can no longer log in, I won't get the warning email. But maybe that's being overly paranoid. :-)
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J

It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Re: Is GMAIL putting groups.io in promo tab?

 

How can we reach the digest members to inform them about this problem? Does a "special notice" message get delivered individually to digest member,s or does it just go into their digest (which then goes into the "promotions" black hole)? Perhaps it's worth sending individual emails to each digest member about this?
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J

It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Re: Multiple copies of a posting

 

Well, none of them have the <Edited Message> and all 3 have the same message number.   I am the group owner, so I doubt if these are boncing.   I think they are all submitted by e-mail, and it's ALL the emssages, not just some.   Any more ideas?   Mark?

Best regards

Alastair Sharp


locked Re: Spammer attack- More bad news

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Since Google sends you an e-mail message noting when your account has been used to log in for any of its services on any machine or from any location it doesn't already recognize as associated with you.  There will be warning if someone has accessed your account who wasn't you.

I don't rush to change passwords anymore on Google/Gmail because of this.  

Brian


locked Re: Is GMAIL putting groups.io in promo tab?

 

On 5/8/2016 6:32 AM, J_catlady wrote:

I'm not sure I agree, Shal, that it's like spam. The messages I've seen
in promotions have looked more to me like paid advertisements than the
usual spam messages. ???
Most are paid ads, but other things get in there also - and I suspect it
is based on who it's from. All of the mail from the Geek Squad on my
computer status are in there, so the filter for GMail probably says
Best Buy=store=ad, and is not bothering to use more finesse than that.

Also - all the monthly probes from my Mail-Man lists wind up there, no
matter where the list is housed.

dg