Hi again

It seems that the Archive search box for a specific group operates differently if you search by thread view or by message view.

If I go to a specific group, and search for the word hashtags in Thread View, I only get results from that specific group. This is what I would expect..

If I search for the word hashtags in Message View, I get results from all groups - I think only from all that I belong to.
Not a problem, but I think you should have something that tells the user what results he or she will get.

Frances




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Hi Mark,

I have a question or two about the way Groups.io works.

There seems to be two views for messages - an Inbox for all groups I belong to (Home), and a screen for each group I belong to. (from Home, choose Your Groups).

These operate quite differently and I find it confusing.

I like that I can see all recent posts for ALL my groups at once in one place (the Inbox). But sometimes, I just want to see messages from one specific group.

The All-groups (Home) screen has an Inbox.
The specific groups screen only has an Archive and the Top Posters list. No Inbox. However there is a Messages label which seems to be for moderation purposes at some point.

If I want to mute a thread,  I can only mute a thread through the website if I go to all threads for ALL groups I belong to, i.e. to the Inbox.

However, I cannot mute a thread from the specific group - from Archives. I can see a link to examine muted threads, but cannot not mute another one.
If I select Thread View (not Message View) in Archives, I can edit a thread - close a thread or make it a sticky.
This might be a logical place to mute a thread.

Also, I see I can also edit a thread from an email - there is an option at the bottom of the email to mute the thread - at the bottom of the Digest email.

I was also wondering where / how I can un-mute a thread. For example, I might want to mute a thread if someone is becoming tedious! But later, I might want to hear any new discussion on the topic.
Or am I missing something?

Frances





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Hi again

I was wondering how threads work.

We have a travel discussion forum so some wording might appear on different posts and appear to be a thread. Like “Rome hotel”.

It is particularly important if someone has muted a thread and now wants new posts.

So, does the algorithm just see the word order and group it as a thread? Is there a time component? Can old threads be restarted by someone using the same words and word order?

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- Hadn't thought about archives, but likely prefer to have them hidden from non-members.

- Joining: ATM I'd be great with manually adding members, but did imagine an "application" or "subscribe" option that let me say to the entire group "Hey, I'm starting a side-thread about X EVENT, please send an email with #xevent in the subject to our list to join that thread(s)". Maybe an option to make that automatically in, or in after approval by a mod/admin.

- Yeah, a subgroup email would be nice - I'm mostly worried about doing it all inside of one major group. 

Thanks!

Derek 

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Derek Shanahan                  

// musicgeeks.co

// email: derek@...

// dshan.me

// @dshan

On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Hmm, subgroup by hashtag. Interesting. Would you want the archives of this subgroup to be available to all the members of the group or just the people in the subgroup? Would you want anyone in the group to be able to join this subgroup if they wanted?

It would be like pre-muting a hashtag for everyone except the subgroup members.

I've thought about other ways to do subgroups. Creating a special group address like groupname+subname@groups.io, for example.

Thanks,

Mark

On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Derek Shanahan <derek@...> wrote:

Not sure this is the spot for feature suggestions, but I find myself needing...

A way to message a sub-set of the group (leaders) privately from the larger general members. I realize I could set up a 2nd groups.io Group, but it'd be nice to do this with hashtags.

- Pick a hashtag (ie #leaders)
- Denote it 'anointed members only' (ie don't email to entire group, just members)
- Admin/mods can manually select 'anointed members'

Hmm, subgroup by hashtag. Interesting. Would you want the archives of this subgroup to be available to all the members of the group or just the people in the subgroup? Would you want anyone in the group to be able to join this subgroup if they wanted?

It would be like pre-muting a hashtag for everyone except the subgroup members.

I've thought about other ways to do subgroups. Creating a special group address like groupname+subname@groups.io, for example.

Thanks,

Mark

On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Derek Shanahan <derek@...> wrote:

Not sure this is the spot for feature suggestions, but I find myself needing...

A way to message a sub-set of the group (leaders) privately from the larger general members. I realize I could set up a 2nd groups.io Group, but it'd be nice to do this with hashtags.

- Pick a hashtag (ie #leaders)
- Denote it 'anointed members only' (ie don't email to entire group, just members)
- Admin/mods can manually select 'anointed members'

Not sure this is the spot for feature suggestions, but I find myself needing...

A way to message a sub-set of the group (leaders) privately from the larger general members. I realize I could set up a 2nd groups.io Group, but it'd be nice to do this with hashtags.

- Pick a hashtag (ie #leaders)
- Denote it 'anointed members only' (ie don't email to entire group, just members)
- Admin/mods can manually select 'anointed members'

I don’t mean to sound sarcastic when I say this, but please make sure whoever is answering the messages know the correct answer.  If they don’t have them direct the question to someone who does.  Also, no canned answers that don’t’ even apply to the question. 

Thank you,

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@.....io]
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 4:48 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Help Center

 

All,

 

I've started putting together a help center. It's at

 

https://groupsio.zendesk.com/hc

 

Please let me know if you have any suggestions for things I can add or any other way it can be improved. I'll be putting a link to it in the footer of the web site.

 

Thanks,

Mark

Mark,

>> 2) The Invite Message box looks like a plain text entry box.
>> ...
>
> Hmm. I'm a little surprised that the HTML wasn't escaped in the message
> itself. Anyways, the text box should be HTML and you should be able to
> enter HTML in the invite message. I've put it on the TODO list.

As long as there's some constraint in what the devious or criminally minded can do with the HTML. The iframe and script tags once bedeviled Yahoo Groups home pages (and Messages archives) until Y!Groups implemented a whitelist of "safe" tags. But that was in simpler times, I don't know what they do now.

> Yeah, I'm not sure. I don't ask to verify email addresses either. A
> friend of mine who is in user interface thinks I'm crazy for not asking
> for verification. But I hate having to type everything in twice. What do
> you think?

Having done it a few times on your site now I'm kind of with you on that. And I've always chuckled to myself as I paste a freshly generated password into both boxes on conventional sign-up forms - that doesn't really confirm anything so the purpose was lost.

On the other hand, my initial reaction tells me that your friend has a point. A Confirmation entry box is a familiar clue to the user that this is a place to register a new password. Right now the invite landing page says:

"Enter A Password For Your Groups.io Account".

The use of "A" instead of "The" is a pretty subtle clue.. Perhaps it could say:

"Choose a new password to create your Groups.io account"

That's even more explicit than a Confirmation box. I'm being a little subtle too: I refer to "new password" here (and in join) to reinforce the idea that the user shouldn't re-use a password they're using elsewhere.

The other reason to have a Confirmation box is that the small bother now may avoid a larger inconvenience (or other cost) associated with correcting it later if you get it wrong. But I think your password reset mechanism (having now been through it too) is facile enough to eliminate this concern.

-- Shal



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So I created a group, put up a post without a hashtag (in my settings I said one was required), and hit post, etc.  I thought it posted.
Then I get an email saying I didn't include a hashtag and gives me a link.  That's sorta weird that I have to wait till I get an email back to tell me no hashtag was included...
I click on the link, and it doesn't allow me to EDIT the post to add the hashtag.
Also, I'm getting weird action when I try and add a new line that has spaces between the lines.