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locked Muting individual users

Frances
 

Hi

I realize I can mute threads, but what about muting one member of the group? I mean without muting the thread.

You can in Google+:
And here’s about Twitter:

Would that be useful?

Frances


locked Re: Jump to the beginning/end

Duane
 

Mr. Fletcher (Mark if I may),


I've always felt that "everything is possible in the exciting world of computers!"  Some can take time and there are usually several ways to get the same end result.  As I've gotten older (I'm now 62) it's beginning to take longer, even as computers are endowed with greater capabilities, but I love the challenge of doing it.  I've been "computing" for over 35 years and have the utmost respect for your abilities.  Sometimes I see something new and it still boggles my mind.  Especially when I try to think how it could have been accomplished BC (Before Computers), if at all.


Many Thanks,

Duane



locked Re: Disable archives?

 

Susan,

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Susan B <doggiesmail@...> wrote:
Steve, Mark, Shal -
We would very definitely want that. Our messages from the message board and our Files would both need to be transferred.
 
At least for the first iteration of group transfer, it will only be for members, not messages. It will be more difficult to pull the messages out of Y! Groups; I'm not sure I can make the moved archives a good experience. There is a tool that makes it easy to pull member lists out of Y! Groups. But the tools to pull messages out generally are broken; Yahoo certainly doesn't make it easy.

Some have mentioned that there may be legal or ethical issues, but I have not explored that at all. Is it like a message board/forum just moving to new software? I think that's considered acceptable. Or is it like moving to a whole different place on the 'net?

Thanks,
Mark
,


locked Re: Edited messages #changelog

 

Hi Susan,

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Susan B <doggiesmail@...> wrote:
Mark,
Our small group of mods would be way overtaxed with this. Have you thought about my suggestion to have this feature of being able to edit or delete turned off by the owner? I hope?
 

I generally believe that a user should be able to delete their own messages if they desire. I also believe this is how Yahoo Groups currently works (please correct me if I'm wrong). Y! Groups does not have editing, and I can see how that could be abused, which is one of the reasons why I made it a priority to put in the system to track changes to messages.

Have you had people abuse this feature? My general bias is to try to not add too many feature toggles, to overly complicate the service. But if there's a good reason, of course I'll consider it.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: "My posts" view option #suggestion

 

On 1/14/2015 11:08 AM, Susan B wrote:
I think the message number should be on the message somewhere and easy
to find. I don't use message numbers because I read and write by email
and go to the site to approve pendings or use the Files. But some people
do rely on them and so making them easy to see is probably a good idea.
Especially for the technically-challenged <g>.
100% agreement here...

dg


locked Re: Dates on Groups.io

 

All, as mentioned, I will be adding the ability to change your date format preference. Not sure when I'll get to it, but it'll be soon. So, I'm going to go ahead and close this thread.

Thanks,
Mark

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Susan B <doggiesmail@...> wrote:
Sure, but most people don't do this, and adding the words takes up space which is sometimes a concern.
 
Susan B
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Re: Dates on Groups.io

On 12 Jan 2015 04:27, Susan B wrote:
> Dana In regard to this:
>> The alternative is to make sure that the date has the
> 3-letter month, and a full 4-digit year.  That eliminates all
> confusion, no matter which comes first.
>
> Actually, there is still confusion because some people put the day
> before the month and some put the month before the day.

But that doesn't matter if the month is given as a word; neither 15 Jan
or Jan 15 are ambiguous.

--
rgds
LAurence
<><






locked Re: Jump to the beginning/end

 

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 11:19 PM, Feathered Leader <featheredleader@...> wrote:
Just curious, in Yahoo if you flipped the order of dates from one way or another, it flipped the current list on the page you were on and flipped the rest without taking you back to message 1 or message 600.

Is that something that's doable? If not, I can cope, just wondered.

Everything is possible in the exciting world of computers! :-)

I've added it to the list. 

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: Disable archives?

 

On 1/14/2015 11:04 AM, Susan B wrote:
I have proposed making it optional for the owner to decide whether edits
and delections are allowed for individual groups.
At minimum - I delete spam/phishing/not-on-topic posts from my groups
when someone who is not moderated gets spoofed/hacked (then put them on
moderation to be sure things are fixed - usually it happens to members
who rarely, if ever, post anything).

For individuals - if someone wants to pack up their tea set and leave,
while the continuity would be compromised, I think what they post is
their property. Had enough folks get into flame-wars and want to
opt out of ever having appeared to be part of the list. That has been
around since UseNet days - and the reality is that very little can be
completely erased from existance since networking started. Someone,
somewhere, probably has a copy of any specific item. Unless, of course,
it is something important that you really need - then you'll never be
able to find it again...

However, I would like the message board to be called the message board.
Archive to me indicates something old and static and is where I would
look for really old stuff.
How about just "messages"? Files, Photos, Messages, Database, Calendar,
etc. Within messages, you can get a list (like most email clients have)
which can then be sorted by Subject, date, Message ID, Author, whatever.
"Threading" implies a more elaborate option - where replies to a message
have the message number of the message being replied to in its headers,
and I imagine is harder to program because you'd need to follow a
"thread", then start back at the next reply to the original message,
follow down that reply stack, etc. Even in the old UseNet days, I
*rarely* used "thread" as a sort option - I prefer chronological, since
sometimes a person will respond to a couple of messages that are not
in the same stack.

dg


locked Re: Disable archives?

 

Susan,

Our group would want all messages (from the group opening until the
move) to be transferred to a message board, not to separate emails.
Of course. I was answering Steve's question about getting messages back out of Groups.io, should that ever be desired. How you get them into another service will be up to that service, but at least Groups.io starts by handing them to you "on a silver platter", as it were.

I don't know what Mark's current thoughts are about getting messages and other content from Yahoo Groups into Groups.io, I just know it hasn't been done yet. Once he has in place a mechanism to transfer the Membership list over that may be the first step towards a mechanism to transfer content. But I don't expect it will be a simple thing, there will likely be many details he needs to work out.

-- Shal


locked Re: Photos Wishlist Thread #suggestion

 


I agree with this. We get people who put their required files into the wrong folder or the main folder and we need to be able to move them to the correct location.
 
Susan B

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 8:31 PM
Subject: [beta] Re: Photos Wishlist Thread #photos #wishlist

I own a couple groups with sizable contingents of older folks. One of the problems we've had is people putting photos in the Files area, or not putting single images into appropriate folders. It would be very helpful if moderators could move files around in Photos and Files and be able to move files between the two as well.

Dano


locked Re: Edited messages #changelog

 


Mark,
Our small group of mods would be way overtaxed with this. Have you thought about my suggestion to have this feature of being able to edit or delete turned off by the owner? I hope?
 
Susan B
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 6:27 PM
Subject: [beta] Edited messages #updates

I just pushed out a bunch of changes for editing messages. If the group or user is moderated, the edit will need to be approved, just like a pending message. When editing a message, you can add a note indicating why you're doing the edit, and you can view different revisions of a message, just like a wiki page. Also, when a message is edited (and approved if needed), it is sent out to the group again. Finally, when editing a thread, you can edit the hashtags that are applied to the thread, by editing the subject line and adding/removing hashtags there (I'll eventually make this nicer, but it works for now). A couple bugs around manipulating messages have also been squashed.

To accomplish all this, I had to make some rather large changes to the code base (it was a couple weeks worth of work). I generally like to do things in small chunks, because any bugs are generally quickly found and of small importance. But I couldn't do that in this case. So, while I have tested the code a lot, I'm a little more nervous than normal.

As usual, please let me know if you see any issues.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Disable archives?

 

Hi Shal,
Our group would want all messages (from the group opening until the move) to be transferred to a message board, not to separate emails. We would want all old and new members to be able to see them on the group site and to be able to read through them and to search them. In other words, just what we have with the current Yahoo messages.
 
Susan B
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Disable archives?

Steve,

 > I'd hope that with io groups, though, at least the "new" io group
 > messages would be in archives that the group owner could download if
 > desired.

Yes, that's already a feature.

Each group's Settings page (available only to moderators) has a
"Download Archives" tab which produces a plain-text file that is the
group's archives in Mailbox (.mbx) format. So you get the original email
headers, MIME parts, and attachments of all the posted messages. An
email client like Thunderbird can import that file and show it to you as
a folder full of email messages.

-- Shal





locked Re: Disable archives?

 

Steve, Mark, Shal -
We would very definitely want that. Our messages from the message board and our Files would both need to be transferred.
 
Susan B

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Disable archives?

Steve,

> If you transfer an old Ygroup to a new io group, is there also some
> provision for transferring the message archives, as well?

It has been mentioned, but nothing implemented or planned yet, that I
know of.
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/beta/message/171

-- Shal





locked Re: Just finished reading the archives here

 


Agreed - we need to be able to move our entire membership to groups.io in one swoop. Members who have to enter into a new system themselves, fill out profiles and learn new ways would often just give up and leave. Especially the ones who are 50 and up, who do not live in social network universes, who aren't that savvy.
 
Susan B  (PS to all, sorry for message after message, but have been working and not reading and responding)
 

----- Original Message -----
From: CatWoman
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Just finished reading the archives here

On 1/12/2015 12:28 AM, Feathered Leader wrote:
>
> 2. The ability to add members directly is also another deal breaker for
> many people, and not just as the one time fee thing, (which could be
> negotiated).
>
> Maybe there could be a way to allow ONLY the group owner to add maybe
> just 5-10 members per month, or some other semi-reasonable number that
> might allow you to implement this for free without having the abuse
> issues of adding a lot at once.
>
> The reason so many Group owners need this add-members feature so badly,
> is that SO many Yahoo users are elderly, handicapped or both, and not at
> all tech savvy.  one of my own moderators in my MM group has this very
> problem. So even sending them an invite does not work. -- Something I
> hope you'll consider

Maybe a one-time "mass" add option?

For those of us with a yGroup who want to move to another platform,
being able to migrate an entire group membership, when all of the group
are willing and trust us to move them without having to do anything on
their own - maximum approve the add - would be really helpful in moving
groups from YG to *any* other platform.

dg






locked Re: Discussion

 


Tyger,
I like your thoughts on this.
 
Personally, I have no interest in a profile or in any arrangement that makes the profile the center of the experience here -- for example, to have to go to your profile to find your groups, to add wallpaper and photos and all that junk to a profile. That's what Facebook is for. And google + tries to be for. I am in a group to do the group's business (used generically, not meant to signify a profit making business) and for nothing else.
 
So for me, I am one of those who says no profile, total privacy, and if forced I would give false information.
 
Susan B
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 11:39 PM
Subject: [beta] #profiles Discussion

Profiles is an area I had a couple thought in as well. I don't think of this as a high priority area to work on, but while my mind is on it, I thought I would share.

To start off with, I should say I am perfectly happy with the way they are now.  Less is more.  However, some folks may feel differently.  I can think of a couple of permutations of this off top.

Some folks may want to share their info with the communities they are part of.  While I think there is a strong sentiment out there that email groups differ from a social network, and are not meant in the same vein, I think more options are never a bad thing, and for those that want a more robust profile, why not offer it as an option?

Another aspect of this thought is that even with the minimalist profile that exists today, some folks may wish to be more private and not share which groups they are part of.  Stalking and harassment are very real online, and folks deserve to protect their anonymity on any service these days.  Along these same lines, people who do want to share profile info may only want to share certain things about themselves with certain groups,  Managing all your various data points on a group by group basis doesn't sound very practical to me though.

However, I think if you had the ability to create Alias Profiles which stood as a "mask" for your Main Profile in regards to a specific group, this would be a lot easier to manage.  Then when you subscribe to a group (and at any point after) you could choose to be seen in that group using your chosen Alias Profile instead.  This way you control your sharing per group without having to manage which item goes where on each field and complicate your Main Profile.  Just make one you want for the group(s) you prefer. 

Another application of this would be to be able to make characters for RPGs.  Adds to the feel of the group if you can create an in-character persona for people to view.  Granted, a wiki works for that as well, but folks could then easily re-use one in a second group without the need to copy paste.

Of course the email stays the same if the user changes profiles, so there's not true anonymity, but people clicking on the person could only get as deep as the user decides.

Just a couple thoughts.  Like I say, low on my own list of priorities, but for those inclined to discuss the feature, these were a couple of "drive home" thoughts.

-Tyger



locked Re: cover photo

 

Duane,

I found that as long as I kept the browser window approximately
square, the cover photo looks fine. If I start making the browser
wider, the photo gets cropped top and bottom, but the width stays
correct. This appears to be a glitch, but it isn't critical on the
groups I've started.
I don't think that's a glitch: I think it is intended that the height available to the photo not grow taller as the window grows wider. I think it is a reasonable compromise between traditional 4:3 or 5:4 (nearly square) monitors and today's 16:9 or even wider widescreen monitors.

If the photo height grew proportionate with the width that would take up way too much room in a window shaped to fit a widescreen monitor. Conversely if the width of the photo did not expand with the width of the window, then you'd end up with a "postage stamp" image within a wide bar of background color.

Given this, as guidance to moderators I'd say pick your image to suit the fact that this vertical cropping will occur: Keep the interesting part of the photo to the center. In other words, rendering text into the photo or otherwise trying to dense-pack information there is not going to work.

I realize that was a favored technique in Yahoo Groups. Both to make a larger presentation and to overcome the 2000 character limit for the description text. One of the larger examples I've seen is this one:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/shalf/9469165165/in/set-72157594538412310
That's multiple photos and text all composed together into a single very large homepage image.

As guidance to Groups.io I'm not entirely sure what to suggest. Large displays like the above are almost certainly better handled via HTML support within the description, hopefully without a too-small limit on the number of characters.

Possibly add an option to disable the width matching so that something like logo art can be used as the group's image, knowing that it will be flanked with background color but without the danger of it being cropped.

-- Shal


locked Re: Some more suggestions #suggestion

 


Tyger,
I hate to ask but can you increase your type size? It is really hard to read.
 
Just a comment -
 
For now, I personally think keeping all these discussions in one place is best so that everyone who wants to take part can find them and doesn't have to go visit other places to see other discussions going on. I really do not think that is a good idea.
 
And, I hate hashtags -- those tags with # in front of them. They are overused and used indiscriminately, and several are used to mean the same thing ... and it gets to where they are chaotic and useless.
 
If you mean offer a subject category that you click, and then the name of the subject appears first in the subject line, then I think that is a good idea. There would be a standard set for the different categories of discussion that are typically seen, and one for miscellaneous topics that don't fit in any of those categories.
 
Susan B
 
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 10:13 PM
Subject: [beta] Some more suggestions #suggestions

 
I am sure there will soon be a number of additional users joining this group as the word spreads.  In light of that, I am of the opinion a little bit of additional organization will help us and Mark both keep ideas and feedback more easily accessible.  People seem to be embracing the hastags, and I think that's a great way to help keep our ideas easily grabbed my Mark and any team he may have.  I have a couple other suggestions on the process here that might help.  Let me know what you may think of it. 
 
Disclaimer: I don't mean to assume any degree of "official" coordination here.  I do similar coordination of users and technology at work, so I slip into it naturally.  For all I know, one of you wonderful folks will say two sentences after this that makes all my typing irrelevant.  :)  I always bow to the better ideas.  Here I go anyway.
 
Helping Prioritize Most Relevant Features
Obviously, some things are easier to create than others, but as Mark gets more users, more things will be suggested and we may need some way to sort out what is a priority as the group swells beyond what 1 person can be expected to wrangle just by reading threads.  I may be a little premature here, but better to get ahead of a possible issue perhaps?
 
On that subject I had a couple thoughts.
 
1) I see two general features as priority items so far: Photos and Databases.  I know photos is already underway, and see it as a priority because a lot of groups share photos as a reason for their existsance, or otherwise would find it a nice feature to use.  Common, popular, and very useful, nuff said.  I suggest Databases as an equal priority to Photos because we know that Yahoo hosed theirs up, and so many groups are in the market for a new home specifically because of that.  These two features would help increase appeal and get more testers and feedback available sooner.  Local activity groups make a good degree of use of that type feature for things like address lists, etc. so it could be helpful to them right away.  Plus the more reminiscent of our old homes the better. :)  This is not to exclude any things in the works now, or trivialize anyone else's thoughts, just an observation of two features likely to bring the most gains soonest.
 
2) Polls.  Polls I suggest not because I  feel they are as frequently used as the other two features, but because they would make a great feature on a group such as this one, so that Mark can get a quick read on the popularity of certain features that might take a little while to roll out, or compete with demand for other features.  He can also respond to user interest with more frequent updates if he sees something is on fire.  Even if limited to this group as a testbed, it could be a helpful tool.  Personally I would love to see this feature included down the line some day regardless.  It was a nice feature to have.  More on that on a seperate thread though.
 
That's my pitch.  I'll start a wishlist hashtag for these items in the meantime to help collect some of the feedback on each feature in general.  Let me know if you think I'm on the right track, I am just sort of carrying on ideas I had on the way home..  :)
 
No matter what, I could not be happier about this service.  More on that later too.  Over to wiser minds than mine, aka all of you. 
 
-Tyger 
 


locked Re: Calendar is live

 


Agreed. That is a good point. Keep it less than obvious for now. Mark has much work to do (though how he can do it and read all these emails is a question I have <g>). Better for it to be all done than to have hordes of people here wanting to do this and that, getting upset and then dissing it. IMO. Like anything it will always be a work in progress but I think it isn't time yet.
 
Susan B
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 2:37 PM
Subject: [beta] Re: Calendar is live

Brenda - Personally, I'd err on the side of caution. It might be wiser to not draw attention until most people are safely in a new harbor. Yahoo could cause a lot of problems if a mass exodus was brought to their attention. I think of this a little like an escape from a prison camp, but that's just the survivor in me. :-)

Dano


locked Re: Dates on Groups.io

 


Sure, but most people don't do this, and adding the words takes up space which is sometimes a concern.
 
Susan B
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Re: Dates on Groups.io

On 12 Jan 2015 04:27, Susan B wrote:
> Dana In regard to this:
>> The alternative is to make sure that the date has the
> 3-letter month, and a full 4-digit year.  That eliminates all
> confusion, no matter which comes first.
>
> Actually, there is still confusion because some people put the day
> before the month and some put the month before the day.

But that doesn't matter if the month is given as a word; neither 15 Jan
or Jan 15 are ambiguous.

--
rgds
LAurence
<><





locked Re: "My posts" view option #suggestion

 


Mark,
I think the message number should be on the message somewhere and easy to find. I don't use message numbers because I read and write by email and go to the site to approve pendings or use the Files. But some people do rely on them and so making them easy to see is probably a good idea. Especially for the technically-challenged <g>.
 
Susan B

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Re: "My posts" view option #suggestions

On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 6:25 PM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:

> Return-Path: <bounce+68+597+129+215@groups.io>

The second number is the message number, 597, and you can put that into the new "Msg Num" search box at the top of the Messages View. My guess is that the first number, 68, identifies the group, don't know about the other two.

129 is your user id, and 215 is your subscription id.


Feature: perhaps the message footer could contain the message number in plain view.

I'm concerned about 'footer bloat'. Do you think this would be useful enough to include?

Thanks,
Mark