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locked Re: Special messages

ro-esp
 

No, doesn't look like you missed anything.

I just want to add that it seems more practical if special notices are sent *separately* from the digest - especially on busy groups.


As to Shal's suggestion, yes, it would be useful if the creator/owner of a group could block the "nomail" option.


                                      groetjes, Ronaldo


locked Re: Special messages

 

On 1/14/2015 6:59 PM, J. Faulkner wrote:
Dg, I'm aware of the various mail delivery options, but I didn't realize that's what Mark was referring to. I guess it was the terminology.
Glad to be of help!

I kinda think that I agree with whoever said that Special
Notices - "administrivia" - should be like a blast - goes
to everyone in the group. And that it is reserved for
that specific purpose - something that really impacts the
entire group, no matter how they usually access the group.

I'm also of the opinion that there should be an annual
"blast" message the way LSoft does for ListServe lists.
It just sends a test message to every email address on
the list. If it doesn't bounce, it just says "ignore
this message". If it does bounce - that email address
is no longer working. Setting it to NoMail, or deleting
it completely - not sure what LSoft does. I think
MailMan does the same thing - all it wants to do is
make sure that the email address it is trying to send
mail to is valid - even for those who don't receive
messages via email.

I know Yahoo doesn't do that - it just relies on
bounces - but that only hits those that have signed
on to get messages via email.

dg


locked Re: Special messages

Judy F.
 

Hi Mark, now that I understand that a special message is the equivalent to a Special Notice in Yahoo, I agree with all of your bullets. 

 

Thanks again for all you are doing on this.

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 7:52 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Special messages

 

As part of getting ready for group transfers, I'm adding the ability to send special messages, like Yahoo has. I'm a bit unfamiliar with exactly how they work, can someone fill me in? Here's what I think, please correct me if I'm wrong:

 

- Special messages can only be created through posting through the website and checking the special box

- In addition to the normal subscription options, there's a 'Special Messages only' option

- Special messages get delivered to everyone except people who have their subscription set to no mail.

- If a person is on digest, the special message is included in the digest

- Only moderators and owners can send special messages

- If the person sending the special message is moderated (or the group is), the special message needs to be approved first, like normal messages.

 

Did I miss anything?

 

Thanks,

Mark


locked Re: Special messages

Judy F.
 

Dg, I'm aware of the various mail delivery options, but I didn't realize that's what Mark was referring to. I guess it was the terminology.

Thanks,

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: CatWoman [mailto:diana@catsandme.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:28 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Special messages

On 1/14/2015 5:17 PM, J. Faulkner wrote:
When would the special message as you mentioned be used?All of the
messages I mentioned above are in the files section of the group and
have various scheduling options the owner/moderator can select.
Administrative messages. Check your group setting for how you get your email - there are 4 options:

Individual messages - you get one message in your email for each message posted to the group (meaning - you're using it as a mailing list)

Digest - you get a collection of messages - either 1 day's worth, one week's worth, or after some quantity of messages has accumulated (I don't remember which option YG uses because I do not like digest).

No Messages - nothing from the group appears in your email - you have to go to the group web page to read any posts

"Special Notices", also called Admin Notifications, which are only able to be sent by an owner or moderator, and go to everyone who has not chosen "No Messages" (at least that's how it used to work - it may be that Special notices now go to everyone, even those on NoMail).

Special Notices are for things like reminding people to keep on topic, letting the list know about a shutdown, or a re-name of the group, or anything "administrivia".

dg


locked Re: Special messages

 

On 1/14/2015 5:17 PM, J. Faulkner wrote:
When would the special message as you mentioned be used?All of the
messages I mentioned above are in the files section of the group and
have various scheduling options the owner/moderator can select.
Administrative messages. Check your group setting for how you get your
email - there are 4 options:

Individual messages - you get one message in your email for each message
posted to the group (meaning - you're using it as a mailing list)

Digest - you get a collection of messages - either 1 day's worth, one
week's worth, or after some quantity of messages has accumulated (I
don't remember which option YG uses because I do not like digest).

No Messages - nothing from the group appears in your email - you have to
go to the group web page to read any posts

"Special Notices", also called Admin Notifications, which are only able
to be sent by an owner or moderator, and go to everyone who has not
chosen "No Messages" (at least that's how it used to work - it may be
that Special notices now go to everyone, even those on NoMail).

Special Notices are for things like reminding people to keep on topic,
letting the list know about a shutdown, or a re-name of the group, or
anything "administrivia".

dg


locked Re: Special messages

Duane
 

On Yahoo, a Special Message was (is?) a very important item that all members need to be aware of.  The only time I used it was on a group that I was moving to another site.  I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware of it.


Which brings me to another suggestion.  Instead of a "No Email" option, make it "Special Notices Only".  On the group I moved, I had to go in and change everyone on No Email to Special Notices to make sure everyone saw it.  If the feature is used properly, it should amount to almost the same thing.  The other option would be something similar to what is used on BigTent.  There's a feature named Blast that sends the message to everyone, regardless of their message settings.  Either should only be available to Owners/Moderators.  Making it an option for the Moderators might not be a bad idea either.


Duane



locked Re: Muting individual users

Frances
 

Thanks!

Obviously not first priority.

Frances

On Jan 14 15, at 7:58 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

So, Frances, what you're saying is that you want to mute me. That's it, isn't it? My mother told me I could never please everyone, but I didn't believe her. I guess I was wrong. Sorry mom!

:-)

Ahem. Yep, I think it'd be a useful feature, and it's on the todo list. For various reasons, it's a little tricky to implement, so it's a longer term project. But yeah, I'd like to have it available.

Thanks,
Mark
(I really was kidding above. It's been a long day in front of the computer.)

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 4:05 PM, Frances <travel@...> wrote:
Hi

I realize I can mute threads, but what about muting one member of the group? I mean without muting the thread.

You can in Google+:
And here’s about Twitter:

Would that be useful?

Frances





locked Re: Site updates #changelog

Judy F.
 

Mark, I like others, would like to see the message number at the top rather than the bottom. 

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 8:18 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Site updates #updates

 

Changes to the site today:

 

- In the archives, much improved collapsing of replies in HTML emails.

- Message number now appears in message footers.

- Fixed a bug with the previous / next links in archive single message view; sometimes it would not link to a correct message, causing it to jump back to the main archive page.

 

 

Mark


locked Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site today:

- In the archives, much improved collapsing of replies in HTML emails.
- Message number now appears in message footers.
- Fixed a bug with the previous / next links in archive single message view; sometimes it would not link to a correct message, causing it to jump back to the main archive page.


Mark


locked Re: Special messages

Judy F.
 

Mark, I would like a better description of a ‘special message’.  I ask this because currently, we have what I could call a special message such as a message that goes to a person that is pended waiting to be approved, when they are approved, when they leave the group, file type messages that are sent each month that have the group rules, etc. 

 

When would the special message as you mentioned be used?  All of the messages I mentioned above are in the files section of the group and have various scheduling options the owner/moderator can select. 

 

Thanks,

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 7:52 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Special messages

 

As part of getting ready for group transfers, I'm adding the ability to send special messages, like Yahoo has. I'm a bit unfamiliar with exactly how they work, can someone fill me in? Here's what I think, please correct me if I'm wrong:

 

- Special messages can only be created through posting through the website and checking the special box

- In addition to the normal subscription options, there's a 'Special Messages only' option

- Special messages get delivered to everyone except people who have their subscription set to no mail.

- If a person is on digest, the special message is included in the digest

- Only moderators and owners can send special messages

- If the person sending the special message is moderated (or the group is), the special message needs to be approved first, like normal messages.

 

Did I miss anything?

 

Thanks,

Mark


locked Re: Special messages

 

Mark,

- Special messages can only be created through posting through the
website and checking the special box
By design yes. But someone once discovered that it was possible to include the correct X- header (copied from a special notice you received) as the first line of an email message (or in the header if your email client allows you to add custom fields) to cause a message posted by email to go out as a special notice. I don't know if that "hack" still works. You should probably ignore it, or else come up with a more user-friendly implementation.

- If a person is on digest, the special message is included in the
digest
And also sent to that person as an individual message. That was an improvement made in the last couple of years, originally members on digest would see it only in the digest.

And of course, the special notice posts to the message archive.

-- Shal


locked Re: Muting individual users

 

So, Frances, what you're saying is that you want to mute me. That's it, isn't it? My mother told me I could never please everyone, but I didn't believe her. I guess I was wrong. Sorry mom!

:-)

Ahem. Yep, I think it'd be a useful feature, and it's on the todo list. For various reasons, it's a little tricky to implement, so it's a longer term project. But yeah, I'd like to have it available.

Thanks,
Mark
(I really was kidding above. It's been a long day in front of the computer.)

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 4:05 PM, Frances <travel@...> wrote:
Hi

I realize I can mute threads, but what about muting one member of the group? I mean without muting the thread.

You can in Google+:
And here’s about Twitter:

Would that be useful?

Frances



locked Special messages

 

As part of getting ready for group transfers, I'm adding the ability to send special messages, like Yahoo has. I'm a bit unfamiliar with exactly how they work, can someone fill me in? Here's what I think, please correct me if I'm wrong:

- Special messages can only be created through posting through the website and checking the special box
- In addition to the normal subscription options, there's a 'Special Messages only' option
- Special messages get delivered to everyone except people who have their subscription set to no mail.
- If a person is on digest, the special message is included in the digest
- Only moderators and owners can send special messages
- If the person sending the special message is moderated (or the group is), the special message needs to be approved first, like normal messages.

Did I miss anything?

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Disable archives?

 

Mark,

Is it like a message board/forum just moving to new software? I think
that's considered acceptable. Or is it like moving to a whole
different place on the 'net?
I think what matters, both ethically and legally, is the contract not the software.

Yahoo's TOS constitutes a contract between Yahoo and the members regarding the content they post. That contract may be transferable to successors or assigns (in the event of a sale of Yahoo's assets), but there's no way that it transfers to a competing service.

A message board/forum owner who changes hosting services may not need any permission from the members. In that case the members' contract is likely with the board/forum owner, and the owner's contract with the hosting service is a separate matter.

The distinction matters ethically because the member has a reasonable expectation of certain rights and obligations based on the terms of service that the member agreed to.

-- Shal


locked Muting individual users

Frances
 

Hi

I realize I can mute threads, but what about muting one member of the group? I mean without muting the thread.

You can in Google+:
And here’s about Twitter:

Would that be useful?

Frances


locked Re: Jump to the beginning/end

Duane
 

Mr. Fletcher (Mark if I may),


I've always felt that "everything is possible in the exciting world of computers!"  Some can take time and there are usually several ways to get the same end result.  As I've gotten older (I'm now 62) it's beginning to take longer, even as computers are endowed with greater capabilities, but I love the challenge of doing it.  I've been "computing" for over 35 years and have the utmost respect for your abilities.  Sometimes I see something new and it still boggles my mind.  Especially when I try to think how it could have been accomplished BC (Before Computers), if at all.


Many Thanks,

Duane



locked Re: Disable archives?

 

Susan,

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Susan B <doggiesmail@...> wrote:
Steve, Mark, Shal -
We would very definitely want that. Our messages from the message board and our Files would both need to be transferred.
 
At least for the first iteration of group transfer, it will only be for members, not messages. It will be more difficult to pull the messages out of Y! Groups; I'm not sure I can make the moved archives a good experience. There is a tool that makes it easy to pull member lists out of Y! Groups. But the tools to pull messages out generally are broken; Yahoo certainly doesn't make it easy.

Some have mentioned that there may be legal or ethical issues, but I have not explored that at all. Is it like a message board/forum just moving to new software? I think that's considered acceptable. Or is it like moving to a whole different place on the 'net?

Thanks,
Mark
,


locked Re: Edited messages #changelog

 

Hi Susan,

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Susan B <doggiesmail@...> wrote:
Mark,
Our small group of mods would be way overtaxed with this. Have you thought about my suggestion to have this feature of being able to edit or delete turned off by the owner? I hope?
 

I generally believe that a user should be able to delete their own messages if they desire. I also believe this is how Yahoo Groups currently works (please correct me if I'm wrong). Y! Groups does not have editing, and I can see how that could be abused, which is one of the reasons why I made it a priority to put in the system to track changes to messages.

Have you had people abuse this feature? My general bias is to try to not add too many feature toggles, to overly complicate the service. But if there's a good reason, of course I'll consider it.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: "My posts" view option #suggestion

 

On 1/14/2015 11:08 AM, Susan B wrote:
I think the message number should be on the message somewhere and easy
to find. I don't use message numbers because I read and write by email
and go to the site to approve pendings or use the Files. But some people
do rely on them and so making them easy to see is probably a good idea.
Especially for the technically-challenged <g>.
100% agreement here...

dg


locked Re: Dates on Groups.io

 

All, as mentioned, I will be adding the ability to change your date format preference. Not sure when I'll get to it, but it'll be soon. So, I'm going to go ahead and close this thread.

Thanks,
Mark

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Susan B <doggiesmail@...> wrote:
Sure, but most people don't do this, and adding the words takes up space which is sometimes a concern.
 
Susan B
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Re: Dates on Groups.io

On 12 Jan 2015 04:27, Susan B wrote:
> Dana In regard to this:
>> The alternative is to make sure that the date has the
> 3-letter month, and a full 4-digit year.  That eliminates all
> confusion, no matter which comes first.
>
> Actually, there is still confusion because some people put the day
> before the month and some put the month before the day.

But that doesn't matter if the month is given as a word; neither 15 Jan
or Jan 15 are ambiguous.

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rgds
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