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locked Re: Disable archives?

 


Dano,
I completely agree and you made excellent points. I do not believe people should be able to edit or delete posts, including their own. It makes it impossible to follow threads and have all the facts as to what someone said or said they were doing so that if you need to help them with advice, you can't find what the heck they said!
 
I have proposed making it optional for the owner to decide whether edits and delections are allowed for individual groups.
 
However, I would like the message board to be called the message board. Archive to me indicates something old and static and is where I would look for really old stuff.
 
Susan B
 
 
 
 

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Subject: [beta] Re: Disable archives?

Disabling the message archives would remove one of the great features of groups. Without a searchable archives and all the history contained therein, my groups would be no better than Facebook Groups. Our group has a message archive going back to 1998, with almost 84,000 posts. We are by nature a group focused on industrial history. This includes a great number of historical figures some members hold in perhaps exaggerated respect. In the archives are first person accounts from people now deceased. There are also many, many discussions of information turned up in more recent research, and commented on by those who were there at the time. They are so important that I manually copied over 81,600 messages before I was "assimilated by the borg". No, we're not ready to lose our archives.


This is also why having people delete their posts is of concern to me. We have had a number of people who 'took their marbles and went home' because they didn't like what they heard from those who had learned information that poked holes in their beliefs. What those people brought to the discussion was of much value, but today we are left with half a discussion. In my mind, what has been posted is recent historical fact. It reminds me of the joke line about 'what has been seen cannot be unseen'. We constantly struggle to deal with revisionist history, and even allowing posters to edit their messages encourages that. I'd much rather they posted follow-up messages. One sad fact we have to deal with is a previous owner who deleted some of the oldest messages that he thought were not of value. We now have gaping holes that are apparent, even though it was before the current message numbering.


So delete my message archives?? You might as well delete my group!


Dano


locked Re: cover photo

 

Okay, I tried enlarging the text and that did help the photo display; but, the default font size is already at 16, if I make it bigger, it's going to look like a pre-school primer.  It seems that each person will have a different experience depending on the size of the font or the browser window.  I'm not going to stress over this; but, I was curious as to what caused my photo to display the way it did.  Thank you.


locked Re: cover photo

Duane
 

I found that as long as I kept the browser window approximately square, the cover photo looks fine.  If I start making the browser wider, the photo gets cropped top and bottom, but the width stays correct.  This appears to be a glitch, but it isn't critical on the groups I've started.


Duane



locked Re: Jump to the beginning/end

Nightowl >8#
 

Just curious, in Yahoo if you flipped the order of dates from one way or another, it flipped the current list on the page you were on and flipped the rest without taking you back to message 1 or message 600.

Is that something that's doable? If not, I can cope, just wondered.

Brenda

On 1/13/2015 11:59 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 5:55 PM, JohnF via GROUPS.IO <http://GROUPS.IO>
<user+1242@groups.io <mailto:user+1242@groups.io>> wrote:

So my suggestion is, how about "First Page" "<<" and "Last Page"
">>" buttons on either side, that jump to the beginning or end. I
could have done that, and then backed up a couple of pages to find
all of today's messages..

Good suggestion. I've added it to the list.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Disable archives?

Nightowl >8#
 

Tyger wrote:>>Right now, I am actually preferring the online viewing to my email
inbox. That's an experience i haven't had in years.<<

HEAR HEAR~~~~ Me either! (at least a year & a half, anyway!)

Brenda


locked Re: Disable archives?

 

Dana -

I concur. Sometime someone will get spoofed and the miscreant will slip a message through. Also, occasionally in the heat of the moment someone will post something inappropriate. Moderators have always had the ability to remove posts for this very reason.

Dano


locked Re: Photos Wishlist Thread #suggestion

 

I own a couple groups with sizable contingents of older folks. One of the problems we've had is people putting photos in the Files area, or not putting single images into appropriate folders. It would be very helpful if moderators could move files around in Photos and Files and be able to move files between the two as well.

Dano


locked Re: cover photo

 

Donna - The page layout changes with the size of the text. Try changing it with 'CTRL +' and 'CTRL -'. I believe this is because the width of the column displayed is not set but floats with the display width. Dano


locked Re: Invitation limitations

 

Right now, you need to enter the custom message every time you have people you wish to invite; there is no mechanism to save the message for later.

Thanks,
Mark

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Cacky B <cackyb@...> wrote:
Where do I set up a customized invite message that will come up any time I want to send an invite?
Cacky


On 1/12/2015 12:26 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I've updated the invitations page a bit. It now shows the invite email that will go out, dynamically updating it if you enter a customized invite message. The email addresses in the outstanding invites page should not have been clickable (there's no page to go to), so I've changed that as well.

I know that invitations could still use some work (HTML in the custom message, for example). But hopefully this is an improvement.

Thanks,
Mark

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 8:09 AM, Cacky B <cackyb@...> wrote:
I would love to have a standard invite that would appear, and possibly be editable before sending.
Cacky

On 1/11/2015 10:45 PM, D R Stinson wrote:

I sent an invitation to one of my groups and realized after I sent it that there's no place to save a standard invitation message. Having that option would save a lot of work reinventing those same messages.

I then went into Invitations and clicked on Outstanding Invitations. Hoping to see the message I'd sent (and maybe copy the text), I clicked on the recipient's email, which was live, and it dumped me into my inbox. Is there a way to review an invitation message that was sent?

Dano





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locked Re: TO MARK

 

Brenda,

For questions like that, the best thing to do is to have your user send a message to support@groups.io. I can then ask some questions and see if I can figure it out.

Thanks,
Mark

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Feathered Leader <featheredleader@...> wrote:

Mark,

one of the members of MM joined my MMSanctuary group and has this question:

"Brenda, I joined your group on groups.io and I am trying to figure out how to use it.  So far I have one really big aggravation.  Any time I click on anything, it wants me to log in again.  Is this normal?"

Any idea what's wrong?

Brenda



locked Re: Edited messages #changelog

 

Frances,

Thanks for testing it!

Mark

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Frances <travel@...> wrote:
Hi Mark,

I changed my group temporarily to require moderation and then sent and replied from my non-moderator account.
It all works nicely - got the updated post after the edits.

And I could add hashtags - I had forgotten that I had to go to Thread View then select Edit Thread on the far right. (I tested from the moderator / owner profile.)
However, I didn’t get an updated message. I don’t think I was supposed to.

Frances

On Jan 13 15, at 7:02 PM, Frances <travel@...> wrote:

Mark, I was able to change the message. I was unable to change the subject line or add a hashtag.
The revised message was sent properly. 

My group is unmoderated. Will test later with a moderated group.

Frances

On Jan 13 15, at 6:27 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

I just pushed out a bunch of changes for editing messages. If the group or user is moderated, the edit will need to be approved, just like a pending message. When editing a message, you can add a note indicating why you're doing the edit, and you can view different revisions of a message, just like a wiki page. Also, when a message is edited (and approved if needed), it is sent out to the group again. Finally, when editing a thread, you can edit the hashtags that are applied to the thread, by editing the subject line and adding/removing hashtags there (I'll eventually make this nicer, but it works for now). A couple bugs around manipulating messages have also been squashed.

To accomplish all this, I had to make some rather large changes to the code base (it was a couple weeks worth of work). I generally like to do things in small chunks, because any bugs are generally quickly found and of small importance. But I couldn't do that in this case. So, while I have tested the code a lot, I'm a little more nervous than normal.

As usual, please let me know if you see any issues.

Thanks,
Mark




locked Re: Edited messages #changelog

Frances
 

Hi Mark,

I changed my group temporarily to require moderation and then sent and replied from my non-moderator account.
It all works nicely - got the updated post after the edits.

And I could add hashtags - I had forgotten that I had to go to Thread View then select Edit Thread on the far right. (I tested from the moderator / owner profile.)
However, I didn’t get an updated message. I don’t think I was supposed to.

Frances

On Jan 13 15, at 7:02 PM, Frances <travel@...> wrote:

Mark, I was able to change the message. I was unable to change the subject line or add a hashtag.
The revised message was sent properly. 

My group is unmoderated. Will test later with a moderated group.

Frances

On Jan 13 15, at 6:27 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

I just pushed out a bunch of changes for editing messages. If the group or user is moderated, the edit will need to be approved, just like a pending message. When editing a message, you can add a note indicating why you're doing the edit, and you can view different revisions of a message, just like a wiki page. Also, when a message is edited (and approved if needed), it is sent out to the group again. Finally, when editing a thread, you can edit the hashtags that are applied to the thread, by editing the subject line and adding/removing hashtags there (I'll eventually make this nicer, but it works for now). A couple bugs around manipulating messages have also been squashed.

To accomplish all this, I had to make some rather large changes to the code base (it was a couple weeks worth of work). I generally like to do things in small chunks, because any bugs are generally quickly found and of small importance. But I couldn't do that in this case. So, while I have tested the code a lot, I'm a little more nervous than normal.

As usual, please let me know if you see any issues.

Thanks,
Mark



locked cover photo

 

I have a question about the Cover Photo.  Using a couple different photo editing applications, I managed to come up with a 900 x 300 photo, which is supposed to be the right size to use with groups.io.  When I go to upload it under Settings -> Cover Photo, and then view it on the Home page, it doesn't look right.  The top appears truncated.  When I go back to the Cover Photo section under Settings, it looks like it should.  But, the length looks short for my browser window.  So, I go back to the home page and hold my mouse on the lower right corner of my browser and drag the corner to shorten the length of browser.  Eventually, I get to a point where the cover photo displays correctly.  But, it leaves about 2 inches of the desktop showing on each side of the browser. 


What I am wondering is if groups.io is optimized for displays that are more square?  I use an iMac with a 21.5 inch display.  It is longer than it is high.   My son uses a Window 8 computer with a display that is wider than it is high.  My other son has an older Windows XP with a square monitor.  Of the three, I am thinking that the cover photo would only display correctly on the XP computer. 


Donna


locked Re: Edited messages #changelog

Frances
 

Mark, I was able to change the message. I was unable to change the subject line or add a hashtag.
The revised message was sent properly. 

My group is unmoderated. Will test later with a moderated group.

Frances

On Jan 13 15, at 6:27 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

I just pushed out a bunch of changes for editing messages. If the group or user is moderated, the edit will need to be approved, just like a pending message. When editing a message, you can add a note indicating why you're doing the edit, and you can view different revisions of a message, just like a wiki page. Also, when a message is edited (and approved if needed), it is sent out to the group again. Finally, when editing a thread, you can edit the hashtags that are applied to the thread, by editing the subject line and adding/removing hashtags there (I'll eventually make this nicer, but it works for now). A couple bugs around manipulating messages have also been squashed.

To accomplish all this, I had to make some rather large changes to the code base (it was a couple weeks worth of work). I generally like to do things in small chunks, because any bugs are generally quickly found and of small importance. But I couldn't do that in this case. So, while I have tested the code a lot, I'm a little more nervous than normal.

As usual, please let me know if you see any issues.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Edited messages #changelog

 

I just pushed out a bunch of changes for editing messages. If the group or user is moderated, the edit will need to be approved, just like a pending message. When editing a message, you can add a note indicating why you're doing the edit, and you can view different revisions of a message, just like a wiki page. Also, when a message is edited (and approved if needed), it is sent out to the group again. Finally, when editing a thread, you can edit the hashtags that are applied to the thread, by editing the subject line and adding/removing hashtags there (I'll eventually make this nicer, but it works for now). A couple bugs around manipulating messages have also been squashed.

To accomplish all this, I had to make some rather large changes to the code base (it was a couple weeks worth of work). I generally like to do things in small chunks, because any bugs are generally quickly found and of small importance. But I couldn't do that in this case. So, while I have tested the code a lot, I'm a little more nervous than normal.

As usual, please let me know if you see any issues.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Invitation limitations

Cacky B
 

Where do I set up a customized invite message that will come up any time I want to send an invite?
Cacky

On 1/12/2015 12:26 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I've updated the invitations page a bit. It now shows the invite email that will go out, dynamically updating it if you enter a customized invite message. The email addresses in the outstanding invites page should not have been clickable (there's no page to go to), so I've changed that as well.

I know that invitations could still use some work (HTML in the custom message, for example). But hopefully this is an improvement.

Thanks,
Mark

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 8:09 AM, Cacky B <cackyb@...> wrote:
I would love to have a standard invite that would appear, and possibly be editable before sending.
Cacky

On 1/11/2015 10:45 PM, D R Stinson wrote:

I sent an invitation to one of my groups and realized after I sent it that there's no place to save a standard invitation message. Having that option would save a lot of work reinventing those same messages.

I then went into Invitations and clicked on Outstanding Invitations. Hoping to see the message I'd sent (and maybe copy the text), I clicked on the recipient's email, which was live, and it dumped me into my inbox. Is there a way to review an invitation message that was sent?

Dano





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locked Re: Disable archives?

Steve Weinberg
 

Excellent

Steve
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On Jan 13, 2015, at 2:36 PM, Shal Farley <shal@roadrunner.com> wrote:

Steve,

I'd hope that with io groups, though, at least the "new" io group
messages would be in archives that the group owner could download if
desired.
Yes, that's already a feature.

Each group's Settings page (available only to moderators) has a "Download Archives" tab which produces a plain-text file that is the group's archives in Mailbox (.mbx) format. So you get the original email headers, MIME parts, and attachments of all the posted messages. An email client like Thunderbird can import that file and show it to you as a folder full of email messages.

-- Shal


locked Re: Disable archives?

 

Steve,

I'd hope that with io groups, though, at least the "new" io group
messages would be in archives that the group owner could download if
desired.
Yes, that's already a feature.

Each group's Settings page (available only to moderators) has a "Download Archives" tab which produces a plain-text file that is the group's archives in Mailbox (.mbx) format. So you get the original email headers, MIME parts, and attachments of all the posted messages. An email client like Thunderbird can import that file and show it to you as a folder full of email messages.

-- Shal


locked TO MARK

Nightowl >8#
 

Mark,

one of the members of MM joined my MMSanctuary group and has this question:

"Brenda, I joined your group on groups.io and I am trying to figure out how to use it.  So far I have one really big aggravation.  Any time I click on anything, it wants me to log in again.  Is this normal?"

Any idea what's wrong?

Brenda


locked Re: Disable archives?

Steve Weinberg
 

Shal, Thanks for the response. I'll keep looking.

I'd hope that with io groups, though, at least the "new" io group messages would be in archives that the group owner could download if desired.

Steve
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Sent from Steve's iPhone

On Jan 13, 2015, at 1:34 PM, Shal Farley <shal@roadrunner.com> wrote:

Steve,

If you transfer an old Ygroup to a new io group, is there also some
provision for transferring the message archives, as well?
It has been mentioned, but nothing implemented or planned yet, that I know of.
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/beta/message/171

-- Shal