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John Green
 

On my tablet write a post or new message is represented by a symbol of a pen and paper. At the top it has attach, send, and more which includes save to drafts, send email to myself and more.

My favourite question in systems design was to ask what would you say in answer to "wouldn't it be nice if"...........

Personally, I like symbols.

John



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-------- Original message --------
From: Shal Farley <shals2nd@...>
Date: 06/04/2016 18:59 (GMT+00:00)
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Post

Ber,

>    1. group similar items – easier/faster to grasp underlying concepts
>    2. intend "Post" as it is a subfunction of "Messages"

Formatted that way, I'm tempted to suggest following Gmail's example and
rename "Post" to "Compose". That makes clear that the action is the
creation of the new message, rather than sending it.

But I don't know if "Compose" would be intuitive to non-Gmail users.

Also, "Compose" is a verb, so it seems out of place in that list. An
advantage to "New Message" is that it is a noun, naming the page; which
matches the rest of the list ("Home", "Messages", "Calendar", etc.). The
confusion surrounding "Post" has to do with it being either a noun
(create a post) or a verb (post the message).

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Shal
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Ber,

1. group similar items – easier/faster to grasp underlying concepts
2. intend "Post" as it is a subfunction of "Messages"
Formatted that way, I'm tempted to suggest following Gmail's example and rename "Post" to "Compose". That makes clear that the action is the creation of the new message, rather than sending it.

But I don't know if "Compose" would be intuitive to non-Gmail users.

Also, "Compose" is a verb, so it seems out of place in that list. An advantage to "New Message" is that it is a noun, naming the page; which matches the rest of the list ("Home", "Messages", "Calendar", etc.). The confusion surrounding "Post" has to do with it being either a noun (create a post) or a verb (post the message).

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Shal
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


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christopher hallsworth <challsworth2@...>
 

Hi

Yes it would. While I understand what it is referring to, some can while others can't. It's all about comprehension at the end of the day. So "new message" would be more appropriate and definitely clearer.

On 6 Apr 2016, at 17:44, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Hi All,

Some people are confused with the word Post being used in the sidebar to access the page for creating a new message. Once they go to that page, they think that clicking Post again in the sidebar sends the message that they've just composed (or clicking 'Post Message' at the top).

Perhaps changing the name of that page to 'New Message' would help. Thoughts?

Thanks,
Mark


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Ber <bxm@...>
 

I do not wonder at all about that problem. The current label "Post" is indeed ambigous on what action it leads to.

Posting a new message is—right after reading others—one of the most important functions/features of an emailling group solution. I think it therefore should be more prominently presented.

I'd suggest to tweak the userinterface to make it more intuitionally/contextually understandable. See my attached mock-up.

  1. group similar items – easier/faster to grasp underlying concepts
  2. intend "Post" as it is a subfunction of "Messages"
  3. maybe even rename "Post" to "post!" or "new post"

I just would not name it "new message" for two reasons: Firstly, it again does not say what "new message" does: write, read, eat??? Not clear, not fast. Secondly, it already says "Message" above – doubling that would not be 'pretty' and also not helpful.

Apart from that question, and mainly for aesthetical reasons, I'd get rid of the forced First Letter Capitalization in the UI altogether – or at least in the groupnames. I think it looks outdated and does not add functionality, rather distracts attention.


Ber–



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Hi,

I second this suggestion.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 9:44 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Post

 

Hi All,

 

Some people are confused with the word Post being used in the sidebar to access the page for creating a new message. Once they go to that page, they think that clicking Post again in the sidebar sends the message that they've just composed (or clicking 'Post Message' at the top).

 

Perhaps changing the name of that page to 'New Message' would help. Thoughts?

 

Thanks,

Mark


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John Green
 

Perhaps "New Message" and then either "Post" or "Send" or an Envelope flying symbol.

John Green



Sent from Samsung tablet.

-------- Original message --------
From: Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io>
Date: 06/04/2016 17:44 (GMT+00:00)
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Post

Hi All,

Some people are confused with the word Post being used in the sidebar to access the page for creating a new message. Once they go to that page, they think that clicking Post again in the sidebar sends the message that they've just composed (or clicking 'Post Message' at the top).

Perhaps changing the name of that page to 'New Message' would help. Thoughts?

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: formatting of file-upload notification email #suggestion

 

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 6:14 PM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

This, too, is a nit and I probably wouldn't even bring it up if it weren't so wretchedly reminiscent of Yahoo:

The notification email that a file has been uploaded to the group has formatting that looks really bad in, for example, gmail on a computer. 

I've redone the formatting. Getting something formatted nicely is a challenge in email, so I try to go for simplicity. Let me know what you think.

Thanks,
Mark 


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I think 'New message' would be great! I've had to post instructions in my group on how to initiate a new post, because so many people can't figure it out and instead simply respond to whatever  message they find, even if it's a completely different topic.
J

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On Apr 6, 2016, at 9:44 AM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Hi All,

Some people are confused with the word Post being used in the sidebar to access the page for creating a new message. Once they go to that page, they think that clicking Post again in the sidebar sends the message that they've just composed (or clicking 'Post Message' at the top).

Perhaps changing the name of that page to 'New Message' would help. Thoughts?

Thanks,
Mark


locked Post

 

Hi All,

Some people are confused with the word Post being used in the sidebar to access the page for creating a new message. Once they go to that page, they think that clicking Post again in the sidebar sends the message that they've just composed (or clicking 'Post Message' at the top).

Perhaps changing the name of that page to 'New Message' would help. Thoughts?

Thanks,
Mark


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Beta Integration <beta@...>
 


locked Re: Subdomain To: re-writing

 

On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 10:50 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

Legacy links in my subgroup messages (such as "View This Message") don't seem to be working - they take me to the subgroup's home page instead.

Fixed! Thanks,

Mark 


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Mark,

Correct. The legacy addressing will not go away.
Legacy links in my subgroup messages (such as "View This Message") don't seem to be working - they take me to the subgroup's home page instead.

I thought they were supposed to work comprehensively.


Shal
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


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vickie <vickie_00@...>
 

Mark
I love this >>>new tab 'Notes'. It's just a text field and a date. Editing a member's moderator notes is also logged in the activity log.
 
Thank you

Once you remove a member from the group , there is no  email in the group except to show the history  they were removed. 
"notes"  also would be  great  to include the reason  the  member   was removed from the group.
Is that possible?


Vickie

 









From: Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Subdomains and maybe an idea for a feature

Hi All,

I'm tabling the idea of a per subscription user status for now, at least until we redo notifications. But I did just add moderator notes for each subscription. Click on a member to bring up their subscription. At the top there's a new tab 'Notes'. It's just a text field and a date. Editing a member's moderator notes is also logged in the activity log.

Cheers,
Mark

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 8:01 AM, John Green <john.green@...> wrote:
Agreed, I think we would find that feature useful – or one that doesn’t show the actual email address but automatically forwards it to the correct address. That said, some of our very long term members do email each other ‘off list’ or once a thread has closed, continue a particular conversation off-list.
 
John Green
 
From: HR Tech via Groups.io [mailto:m.conway11=yahoo.com@groups.io]
Sent: Friday, 01 April 2016 01:24
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Subdomains and maybe an idea for a feature
 
[Edited Message Follows]
We don't make our member list viewable on our main group or our sub-domain groups. But what might be cool within our subgroups is for there to be a member list but one that provides a picture and status and maybe a way to direct message within the groups.io platform (not direct email). We wouldn't want people's actual email addresses viewable for privacy's sake and spam prevention, but a profile that one can DM within the system would be of real interest. Likewise freethinking from that thought: the ability to create an event with registrants and for those registrants to receive notifications from the event organizer in their inbox/notifications would be cool. 
thank you
Maria 




locked Re: Subdomain To: re-writing

 

Mark,

Actually, it's the welcome message (not the "you have been added" message) that still has not caught up. Both the "from" address and the email subject "welcome to [group name]" use the + sign form of the subgroup address, although the body of the email uses the new form. I just verified this again. I will forward you an example offlist. 

J


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On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 10:25 PM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:


I'm noticing that that form of the address is still used in the notification that a subgroup was created or deleted.


Fixed!
 

p.s. oops, thought I was imagining this, but also: the title of the notification email about being added to the group still uses the plus-sign name (the body of the email is now ok;)

Which notification is this? 

Thanks,
Mark 


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Mark,

I haven't tried this out yet, but I know it's going to be a huge plus for my group.

Thanks!

J


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Hi All,

I'm tabling the idea of a per subscription user status for now, at least until we redo notifications. But I did just add moderator notes for each subscription. Click on a member to bring up their subscription. At the top there's a new tab 'Notes'. It's just a text field and a date. Editing a member's moderator notes is also logged in the activity log.

Cheers,
Mark

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 8:01 AM, John Green <john.green@...> wrote:

Agreed, I think we would find that feature useful – or one that doesn’t show the actual email address but automatically forwards it to the correct address. That said, some of our very long term members do email each other ‘off list’ or once a thread has closed, continue a particular conversation off-list.

 

John Green

 

From: HR Tech via Groups.io [mailto:m.conway11=yahoo.com@groups.io]
Sent: Friday, 01 April 2016 01:24
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Subdomains and maybe an idea for a feature

 

[Edited Message Follows]

We don't make our member list viewable on our main group or our sub-domain groups. But what might be cool within our subgroups is for there to be a member list but one that provides a picture and status and maybe a way to direct message within the groups.io platform (not direct email). We wouldn't want people's actual email addresses viewable for privacy's sake and spam prevention, but a profile that one can DM within the system would be of real interest. Likewise freethinking from that thought: the ability to create an event with registrants and for those registrants to receive notifications from the event organizer in their inbox/notifications would be cool. 

thank you

Maria 



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Edited

Mark,

I'm noticing that that form of the address is still used in the notification that a subgroup was created or deleted.

J

p.s. oops, thought I was imagining this, but also: the title of the notification email about being added to the group still uses the plus-sign name (the body of the email is now ok;)


locked formatting of file-upload notification email #suggestion

 

This, too, is a nit and I probably wouldn't even bring it up if it weren't so wretchedly reminiscent of Yahoo:

The notification email that a file has been uploaded to the group has formatting that looks really bad in, for example, gmail on a computer. It looks fine on a phone. The problem is the word "Description." That word is at the left edge, in the middle of the vertical text for the description itself. On a phone, the word appears as clearly set-off to the left, with the text of the description appearing to the right of it, in many lines, even if the description is short. But on a full screen, there is an effect like this:

"This file contains instructions for calculating the dosage of the rescue drug xyz if the cat has relapsed or not responding to the initial Description: drug protocol."

In other words, the word "Description" appears to be jutting out into the middle of the description text. It's awful on a par with Yahoo's "update" emails, with their text running all over itself.

Could this be changed so that the word "Description" appears before (above), rather than alongside, the text for the description itself?

J


locked Broken message excerpts in Messages View #bug

 

Mark,

Here's a nit-picking for you: it looks like the code that ignores quoted matter when making excerpts for Messages View has gotten a little greedy - The first part of the reply is sometimes missing.

In beta@ I'm seeing this in, for example, #7109 and #7104.

And, just to make this amusing, in some cases not greedy enough, such as #7107 and #7106.

(Firefox 45.0.1, in case that matters)

Shal