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I thought I might try reading the last day's messages in this group in expanded view, and just page down while reading them.

The default for expanded view is newest message on top, which doesn't lend itself to this.  No problem, I'll just click the sort button.

That puts me all the way back to page 1, months ago.  And only a few pages are displayed at a time, so I have to click on the rightmost page number, then again, and again, and again, until I finally get to today's messages.  That's not going to be much fun 5 years from now.

So my suggestion is, how about "First Page" "<<" and "Last Page" ">>" buttons on either side, that jump to the beginning or end.  I could have done that, and then backed up a couple of pages to find all of today's messages.

You might also default to most recent page, no matter what the sort order is, but even then, First/Last would sometimes be useful.

Thanks,
JohnF



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On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Feathered Leader <featheredleader@...> wrote:

Hi Mark,

That's why I wasn't sure if the archives discussion belonged in here or in MMSanctuary. And I wasn't sure if you were okay with me talking to the media about Groups.io. If I could get it done for you, would you be okay with someone doing a story about it?

No worries. And sure, I'd be happy to talk to the media. I do appreciate any and all evangelizing the service! 

I do know my updates need another place, as my group is used to them from me, but I'm working on figuring out how to make another group where they can go read those. Can a sub-group be public archives??

Subgroups cannot have public archives. I don't remember the specific reason I did it that way, although I can see some confusion if a parent group has private archives but the subgroup has public archives.
  

Also, is there actually message quoting enabled yet? If there is, I can't find it when I do my reply.


There is not. It's on the todo list. :-)


Mark 


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On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:

Perhaps integrate it with something that's already there, such as:

> Message 653, you receive all messages sent to this group.

or even

> You receive all messages sent to this group (#653).

That may not work semantically with some of the other subscription choices, I haven't seen those footers.

Something like that could work. It's a bit more than a tiny change to the code, so for now I've added it to the todo list.

Thanks,
Mark 


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Nightowl >8#
 

Hi Dan,

If you want to continue the discussion on Archives and or media, we should take it to MMSanctuary.

Meanwhile, I really would like Message #'s in expanded view also, that is something I planned to ask for. Maybe even at the top, instead of the bottom, by the date. Just a simple number like #600 not anything extreme.

Also, I know the reply box opens below and you have to scroll down to find it, but I'm coping with that at this time. Not sure if he plans to change that, just ask him.

And keep posting, because that's the way to test a beta site. Post, find bugs, report them, etc.

Brenda


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Nightowl >8#
 

Hi Mark,

That's why I wasn't sure if the archives discussion belonged in here or in MMSanctuary. And I wasn't sure if you were okay with me talking to the media about Groups.io. If I could get it done for you, would you be okay with someone doing a story about it?

I do know my updates need another place, as my group is used to them from me, but I'm working on figuring out how to make another group where they can go read those. Can a sub-group be public archives??

Also, is there actually message quoting enabled yet? If there is, I can't find it when I do my reply.

Thanks,

Brenda





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I was reading through the new messages and find that following them in chronological order in Expanded Message View works best for me. (I really think all the different functional possibilities are what makes Groups so unique.) I usually start in compact Message view and note the message number where I left off. When I change to Expanded, the view takes me to the top and I scroll back down. Can the message number also show up in Expanded View so I know how far down I need to go?

Also, when I click on reply it seemed to jump to the top again. I may have done something wrong, but it seems that the view should stay at that point where the "Reply" I clicked on was located. I had to scroll back down and find the open composition window. I don't know if others have noticed these things or not. I usually don't post this much, but it seems that if we don't use it pretty hard, we won't find these little details.

Again, thank you Mark! Even as it is, it's SO MUCH BETTER than what Yahoo has kludged into.


Dano


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Hi Brenda,

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Feathered Leader <featheredleader@...> wrote:

And Mark, if you want us to move this discussion topic to MMSanctuary, we can. Just let me know.


I completely support what you all are doing and am flattered at the passion you have shown. But I'd like to keep Beta focused on Groups.io features and how I can improve the service..

Thanks!
Mark


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Nightowl >8#
 

Dan,

I'm home, need to lie down and kick a migraine, but I'll be back on later.

And I'm also going to see about making either a group or subgroup on here for these sorts of status updates, so they aren't cluttering up the beta group.

And I plan to ask Mark what his policy is on Off-Topic posts, too.

But first, kick the headache...because I can't think when my head hurts.

Brenda



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Nightowl >8#
 

I agree, Dan.

The exceptions to this are for example, when I had to delete a thread or so in MM when a bunch of people started fighting, because it would look bad to the media and public, Or when I had to delete posts that offered illegal things such as pirated software. But we can talk about this more,.

Brenda


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Nightowl >8#
 

David,

I agree. That's why we worked so hard before they took away our "cheat to Classic" method to archive as many groups on Yahoo as possible. People helped one another, and archiving took hours and hours once they took away the sneaky method (sort of a back door into Classic we found that allowed us access to the messages and etc.).

The only reason I wish people would delete their groups & thus their archives when/if they leave Yahoo, would be to render that group impossible to use to claim activity by the Yahoo Execs. But by all means, save them first, somewhere anyway. And give members access to them when possible, by for example, a zip file that can be sent on request from a Non-Yahoo location.

Brenda


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Nightowl >8#
 

Okay, I'm up here at the car place on my laptop (trying out their new wifi counter)

Dan, I thought some more about this,  (contacting the media), and here are my thoughts:

1. Yahoo has pretty much done everything it can to us. It's already broken groups, screwed up mail, and lost many people's archives and data.The only thing they can try to do to us would be refuse to let us leave a group or delete a group. However, that didn't stop anyone before, because they may be able to prevent us from deleting groups or "leaving them"  but they can't really keep us there.

2. I already put the word out on Twitter about this place when Mark gave me the green light the other day, and I have a bunch of reporters that follow me. I don't think they will pay much attention to us now as they weren't doing it before. Plus there is the post on the Blog, where reporters & etc. have been directed for over a year.

3. Mark needs people to populate his groups, and a story in the media might really help, I have a couple particular special reporters that might consider mentioning it. And two of them did a story about our plight, but no one cared in mainstream media,

4. If we DID get a story out in mainstream media, I think it would only help our cause, not hurt it. Yahoo can either fix things and let us keep what we had, (which is no longer likely), or let us leave. I don't think there is much else they can do except delete groups completely, and I think they are headed there anyway.

What are your thoughts?

And Mark, if you want us to move this discussion topic to MMSanctuary, we can. Just let me know.

Brenda



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Nightowl >8#
 

Don't worry Dan, that would be foremost on my mind. We've warned Yahoo over and over that there might soon come a mass exodus though, and they have ignored us and not cared.

I won't do anything stupid, I promise. :) Plus, I wouldn't do anything regarding media without discussing it with Mark and getting his opinion. And the only reporter I was thinking about was my personal AP guy friend. ;) Not the entire world of media.

And believe me, I get the survivor concept...100%.

Brenda


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Nightowl >8#
 

David,

Forgot to mention that the "shipwreck" in that graphic is actually depicting the S.S. Yatanic. It also had a poem with it, both in 2010 and in 2013. The 2010 poem is actually what finally got the attention of the media and eventually of V.P. of communications, Jim Stoneham.

You can view those here:

https://modsandmembersblog.wordpress.com/2013/10/11/yatanic-iceberg-dead-ahead/

https://modsandmembersblog.wordpress.com/2013/10/11/87/
(That one's called Yatanic, Iceberg! Now we're sinking!" I don't know why it's not in the URL, Suz is my Wordpress Guru.)

Both poems also tell the story of how I saved Classic Groups once and how our fight was going the second time.

Another place with a good history summary of our fight to check out is "For the Press"
https://modsandmembersblog.wordpress.com/for-the-press-2/

That reminds me, I need to get that updated soon.

Gotta go off awhile, back soon!

Brenda




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Brenda - Personally, I'd err on the side of caution. It might be wiser to not draw attention until most people are safely in a new harbor. Yahoo could cause a lot of problems if a mass exodus was brought to their attention. I think of this a little like an escape from a prison camp, but that's just the survivor in me. :-)

Dano


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Nightowl >8#
 

Did you just look at the "shipwreck" post or did you check out the blog itself? We have been working to get the attention of stockholders, media and advertisers about what Yahoo has been doing since August of 2013.

A couple times we got a story done, but it was never in a big enough location to hit mainstream media. I've written over 100 reporters, 100 advertisers, and countless other investors and stockholders. We were trying to get Yahoo to see the light and change back to what worked.

I was about to throw in the towel a few days ago, give up on the crusade, because I told Bonaforte I would NOT wait 2 years...but Mark came to the rescue, and maybe we can move and flee Yahoo after all instead of remaining stuck there with all the broken issues and failures.

Here is a URL for the blog index, if you or anyone else wants to check it out.https://modsandmembersblog.wordpress.com/index/

It was a labor of love, a fight dutifully fought with passion and hope. Having been the one who helped save Classic Groups back in 2010, I thought maybe I could do it again...and so did everyone else. I was feeling like I had let them down, but part of our plan was also to find somewhere else to go, and it seems I have possibly done just that. Hmmm wonder if the media would be interested in THAT.

Brenda
Nightowl >8#


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Nightowl >8#
 

David,

I understand the value of electronic "notebooks" I have a lot of those.

But ideally, I'm a pen and pencil person...or more specifically, colored pens & pencil. ;)

I am a writer by nature, and although the computer makes writing a lot easier in many respects, I love the feel of actually writing with a writing utensil. And my notebooks are searchable, because I use little colored tabs and dividers and all sorts of things to separate the data. :)

Yep, I know...I'm unique, but that's what makes me who I am.

Brenda


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Mark - The group name is incorporated into the graphic (take a look at the page to understand), so I'd like the option of transparent, because what the system puts up is extraneous. In Yahoo I wound up changing the name that was displayed on the home page to just a period, which also caused it's own problems. Dano


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christopher hallsworth <challsworth2@...>
 

Ar I see. Sounds interesting your history. Well it was just an idea anyway. I like how archives can be configured for now, public or private, but it was an idea stemmed from other group providers. You are clearly unique and that is great. Cheers and keep up the good work.

On 12 Jan 2015, at 12:15, D R Stinson <dano@...> wrote:

Disabling the message archives would remove one of the great features of groups. Without a searchable archives and all the history contained therein, my groups would be no better than Facebook Groups. Our group has a message archive going back to 1998, with almost 84,000 posts. We are by nature a group focused on industrial history. This includes a great number of historical figures some members hold in perhaps exaggerated respect. In the archives are first person accounts from people now deceased. There are also many, many discussions of information turned up in more recent research, and commented on by those who were there at the time. They are so important that I manually copied over 81,600 messages before I was "assimilated by the borg". No, we're not ready to lose our archives.


This is also why having people delete their posts is of concern to me. We have had a number of people who 'took their marbles and went home' because they didn't like what they heard from those who had learned information that poked holes in their beliefs. What those people brought to the discussion was of much value, but today we are left with half a discussion. In my mind, what has been posted is recent historical fact. It reminds me of the joke line about 'what has been seen cannot be unseen'. We constantly struggle to deal with revisionist history, and even allowing posters to edit their messages encourages that. I'd much rather they posted follow-up messages. One sad fact we have to deal with is a previous owner who deleted some of the oldest messages that he thought were not of value. We now have gaping holes that are apparent, even though it was before the current message numbering.


So delete my message archives?? You might as well delete my group!


Dano



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Mark,

Feature: perhaps the message footer could contain the message number
in plain view.
I'm concerned about 'footer bloat'. Do you think this would be useful
enough to include?
Certainly a worthy concern. I think the number itself is useful enough, but not a lot of surrounding verbiage. Even the label "Message #" may not be necessary.

Perhaps integrate it with something that's already there, such as:

Message 653, you receive all messages sent to this group.
or even

You receive all messages sent to this group (#653).
That may not work semantically with some of the other subscription choices, I haven't seen those footers.

-- Shal


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Mark,

Another, easier but uglier, option is to put a slightly
transparent black box around the text.
Yahoo uses a gradient across the bottom of the image. Less jarring than a hard edge, but dims a larger area of the image.

-- Shal