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locked Re: Disable archives?

Nightowl >8#
 

David,

I agree. That's why we worked so hard before they took away our "cheat to Classic" method to archive as many groups on Yahoo as possible. People helped one another, and archiving took hours and hours once they took away the sneaky method (sort of a back door into Classic we found that allowed us access to the messages and etc.).

The only reason I wish people would delete their groups & thus their archives when/if they leave Yahoo, would be to render that group impossible to use to claim activity by the Yahoo Execs. But by all means, save them first, somewhere anyway. And give members access to them when possible, by for example, a zip file that can be sent on request from a Non-Yahoo location.

Brenda


locked Re: Calendar is live

Nightowl >8#
 

Okay, I'm up here at the car place on my laptop (trying out their new wifi counter)

Dan, I thought some more about this,  (contacting the media), and here are my thoughts:

1. Yahoo has pretty much done everything it can to us. It's already broken groups, screwed up mail, and lost many people's archives and data.The only thing they can try to do to us would be refuse to let us leave a group or delete a group. However, that didn't stop anyone before, because they may be able to prevent us from deleting groups or "leaving them"  but they can't really keep us there.

2. I already put the word out on Twitter about this place when Mark gave me the green light the other day, and I have a bunch of reporters that follow me. I don't think they will pay much attention to us now as they weren't doing it before. Plus there is the post on the Blog, where reporters & etc. have been directed for over a year.

3. Mark needs people to populate his groups, and a story in the media might really help, I have a couple particular special reporters that might consider mentioning it. And two of them did a story about our plight, but no one cared in mainstream media,

4. If we DID get a story out in mainstream media, I think it would only help our cause, not hurt it. Yahoo can either fix things and let us keep what we had, (which is no longer likely), or let us leave. I don't think there is much else they can do except delete groups completely, and I think they are headed there anyway.

What are your thoughts?

And Mark, if you want us to move this discussion topic to MMSanctuary, we can. Just let me know.

Brenda



locked Re: Calendar is live

Nightowl >8#
 

Don't worry Dan, that would be foremost on my mind. We've warned Yahoo over and over that there might soon come a mass exodus though, and they have ignored us and not cared.

I won't do anything stupid, I promise. :) Plus, I wouldn't do anything regarding media without discussing it with Mark and getting his opinion. And the only reporter I was thinking about was my personal AP guy friend. ;) Not the entire world of media.

And believe me, I get the survivor concept...100%.

Brenda


locked Re: Calendar is live

Nightowl >8#
 

David,

Forgot to mention that the "shipwreck" in that graphic is actually depicting the S.S. Yatanic. It also had a poem with it, both in 2010 and in 2013. The 2010 poem is actually what finally got the attention of the media and eventually of V.P. of communications, Jim Stoneham.

You can view those here:

https://modsandmembersblog.wordpress.com/2013/10/11/yatanic-iceberg-dead-ahead/

https://modsandmembersblog.wordpress.com/2013/10/11/87/
(That one's called Yatanic, Iceberg! Now we're sinking!" I don't know why it's not in the URL, Suz is my Wordpress Guru.)

Both poems also tell the story of how I saved Classic Groups once and how our fight was going the second time.

Another place with a good history summary of our fight to check out is "For the Press"
https://modsandmembersblog.wordpress.com/for-the-press-2/

That reminds me, I need to get that updated soon.

Gotta go off awhile, back soon!

Brenda




locked Re: Calendar is live

 

Brenda - Personally, I'd err on the side of caution. It might be wiser to not draw attention until most people are safely in a new harbor. Yahoo could cause a lot of problems if a mass exodus was brought to their attention. I think of this a little like an escape from a prison camp, but that's just the survivor in me. :-)

Dano


locked Re: Calendar is live

Nightowl >8#
 

Did you just look at the "shipwreck" post or did you check out the blog itself? We have been working to get the attention of stockholders, media and advertisers about what Yahoo has been doing since August of 2013.

A couple times we got a story done, but it was never in a big enough location to hit mainstream media. I've written over 100 reporters, 100 advertisers, and countless other investors and stockholders. We were trying to get Yahoo to see the light and change back to what worked.

I was about to throw in the towel a few days ago, give up on the crusade, because I told Bonaforte I would NOT wait 2 years...but Mark came to the rescue, and maybe we can move and flee Yahoo after all instead of remaining stuck there with all the broken issues and failures.

Here is a URL for the blog index, if you or anyone else wants to check it out.https://modsandmembersblog.wordpress.com/index/

It was a labor of love, a fight dutifully fought with passion and hope. Having been the one who helped save Classic Groups back in 2010, I thought maybe I could do it again...and so did everyone else. I was feeling like I had let them down, but part of our plan was also to find somewhere else to go, and it seems I have possibly done just that. Hmmm wonder if the media would be interested in THAT.

Brenda
Nightowl >8#


locked Re: "My posts" view option #suggestion

Nightowl >8#
 

David,

I understand the value of electronic "notebooks" I have a lot of those.

But ideally, I'm a pen and pencil person...or more specifically, colored pens & pencil. ;)

I am a writer by nature, and although the computer makes writing a lot easier in many respects, I love the feel of actually writing with a writing utensil. And my notebooks are searchable, because I use little colored tabs and dividers and all sorts of things to separate the data. :)

Yep, I know...I'm unique, but that's what makes me who I am.

Brenda


locked Re: Appearance of home page

 

Mark - The group name is incorporated into the graphic (take a look at the page to understand), so I'd like the option of transparent, because what the system puts up is extraneous. In Yahoo I wound up changing the name that was displayed on the home page to just a period, which also caused it's own problems. Dano


locked Re: Disable archives?

christopher hallsworth <challsworth2@...>
 

Ar I see. Sounds interesting your history. Well it was just an idea anyway. I like how archives can be configured for now, public or private, but it was an idea stemmed from other group providers. You are clearly unique and that is great. Cheers and keep up the good work.

On 12 Jan 2015, at 12:15, D R Stinson <dano@...> wrote:

Disabling the message archives would remove one of the great features of groups. Without a searchable archives and all the history contained therein, my groups would be no better than Facebook Groups. Our group has a message archive going back to 1998, with almost 84,000 posts. We are by nature a group focused on industrial history. This includes a great number of historical figures some members hold in perhaps exaggerated respect. In the archives are first person accounts from people now deceased. There are also many, many discussions of information turned up in more recent research, and commented on by those who were there at the time. They are so important that I manually copied over 81,600 messages before I was "assimilated by the borg". No, we're not ready to lose our archives.


This is also why having people delete their posts is of concern to me. We have had a number of people who 'took their marbles and went home' because they didn't like what they heard from those who had learned information that poked holes in their beliefs. What those people brought to the discussion was of much value, but today we are left with half a discussion. In my mind, what has been posted is recent historical fact. It reminds me of the joke line about 'what has been seen cannot be unseen'. We constantly struggle to deal with revisionist history, and even allowing posters to edit their messages encourages that. I'd much rather they posted follow-up messages. One sad fact we have to deal with is a previous owner who deleted some of the oldest messages that he thought were not of value. We now have gaping holes that are apparent, even though it was before the current message numbering.


So delete my message archives?? You might as well delete my group!


Dano



locked Re: "My posts" view option #suggestion

 

Mark,

Feature: perhaps the message footer could contain the message number
in plain view.
I'm concerned about 'footer bloat'. Do you think this would be useful
enough to include?
Certainly a worthy concern. I think the number itself is useful enough, but not a lot of surrounding verbiage. Even the label "Message #" may not be necessary.

Perhaps integrate it with something that's already there, such as:

Message 653, you receive all messages sent to this group.
or even

You receive all messages sent to this group (#653).
That may not work semantically with some of the other subscription choices, I haven't seen those footers.

-- Shal


locked Re: Appearance of home page

 

Mark,

Another, easier but uglier, option is to put a slightly
transparent black box around the text.
Yahoo uses a gradient across the bottom of the image. Less jarring than a hard edge, but dims a larger area of the image.

-- Shal


locked Re: "Like" for the email-centric (was First Impressions of Groups.io)

Laurence Taylor
 

On 12 Jan 2015 07:24, Feathered Leader wrote:

So in response to the "Please don't make this like Facebook"
comments, my comment is if there is such a thing as an endless
scroll, please please, make it optional.
Seconded. Infinite scrolling is a complete, total, utter pain in the
what-have-you. I want a page to load when I ask it to (which might not
be when I start reading it),I don't want to ahve to wait for it every
time I scroll down, I want to reach the bottom.

--
rgds
LAurence
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locked Re: Dates on Groups.io

Laurence Taylor
 

On 12 Jan 2015 04:27, Susan B wrote:
Dana In regard to this:
The alternative is to make sure that the date has the
3-letter month, and a full 4-digit year. That eliminates all
confusion, no matter which comes first.

Actually, there is still confusion because some people put the day
before the month and some put the month before the day.
But that doesn't matter if the month is given as a word; neither 15 Jan
or Jan 15 are ambiguous.

--
rgds
LAurence
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locked Re: Invitation limitations

 

I've updated the invitations page a bit. It now shows the invite email that will go out, dynamically updating it if you enter a customized invite message. The email addresses in the outstanding invites page should not have been clickable (there's no page to go to), so I've changed that as well.

I know that invitations could still use some work (HTML in the custom message, for example). But hopefully this is an improvement.

Thanks,
Mark

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 8:09 AM, Cacky B <cackyb@...> wrote:
I would love to have a standard invite that would appear, and possibly be editable before sending.
Cacky

On 1/11/2015 10:45 PM, D R Stinson wrote:

I sent an invitation to one of my groups and realized after I sent it that there's no place to save a standard invitation message. Having that option would save a lot of work reinventing those same messages.

I then went into Invitations and clicked on Outstanding Invitations. Hoping to see the message I'd sent (and maybe copy the text), I clicked on the recipient's email, which was live, and it dumped me into my inbox. Is there a way to review an invitation message that was sent?

Dano





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locked Re: "Like" for the email-centric (was First Impressions of Groups.io)

 

David,


On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 3:36 AM, David P. Dillard <jwne@...> wrote:

Two things about search that need attention on Groups IO


The search icon on Groups IO does not work, one must hit enter for a search to work.

I was not aware this was an accessibility issue. I've changed it so that the search icon is clickable. Please let me know if this fixes the problem, and I'll make the change to all the other search boxes on the site.
 

One should be able to search for a group on the main Groups IO page and not have to find a link to a page where this can be done.

Good point. I will add that to the todo list.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: "My posts" view option #suggestion

 

On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 6:25 PM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:

> Return-Path: <bounce+68+597+129+215@groups.io>

The second number is the message number, 597, and you can put that into the new "Msg Num" search box at the top of the Messages View. My guess is that the first number, 68, identifies the group, don't know about the other two.

129 is your user id, and 215 is your subscription id.


Feature: perhaps the message footer could contain the message number in plain view.

I'm concerned about 'footer bloat'. Do you think this would be useful enough to include?

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: Appearance of home page

 

On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 6:34 PM, D R Stinson <dano@...> wrote:

Mark -

This is a very small detail in the scheme of things, but I thought I'd toss it out so you can allow it to marinate. I've created groups on groups.io to replace my groups on Y! I've modified the graphic for the home page of the big group so people arriving at the group would know they're 'home' so to speak. Is there a way to change the color of the group name that groups.io inserts to transparent? You can see what I'm referring to at https://groups.io/org/groupsio/MILW .


I know the issue. Ideally, we need to automatically figure out the 'prominent' color of the background image, and choose a color for the text that provides enough contrast. It can be done, but it's not quite a quick fix. Another, easier but uglier, option is to put a slightly transparent black box around the text. 

I've got this on the todo list to fix.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Receiving own messages

 

On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 11:32 PM, Feathered Leader <featheredleader@...> wrote:

Ian wrote on 12/8/14:>>If there were a "Return my own posts: Never, If Edited, or Always" button I'd leave it on "Always" - the reflection is an indication that the post has been received and distributed; it could have failed without a bounce message being sent.<<

Absolutely. I always have my own posts come back to me in e-mail. That also another way I can archive them, especially when Yahoo NEO prevented the expanded message view archiving I used to be able to do.


We do send your messages back to you (assuming you're not on digest or one of the other subscription options). It's your email program that hides the message.. Unfortunately, there's nothing we can do to change this.

Mark 


locked Re: Views on Inbox page

 

On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 9:07 PM, D R Stinson <dano@...> wrote:

When I click on the [GROUPS.IO] in the upper left hand corner of the page, it takes me to my inbox. This is great because I can see what's going on everywhere at once. However I can only see it in Thread View. Can it be set up like the individual Archives view with [Thread View], [Message View], and [Expanded Message View]?

That's a good idea. I've added it to the todo list.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: A couple of questions

 

Brenda,


On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Feathered Leader <featheredleader@...> wrote:

Something to note, as you are reading in Chronological order using Next, if you suddenly find yourself at the current message numbers, it means there was a post deleted. I found that out, but if you put the #'s in one at a time, you get back on track.

Example, I read #19, hit next. It took me to the newest posts. Hit back, inputted #20, same thing, hit back, inputted #21 same thing, hit back, inputted #22, got back on track.

That shouldn't happen. When using the previous and next links, it should skip over any deleted/missing messages. If you can reproduce this not happening correctly, please send me a link to my corp.groups.io address and I'll take a look.

Thanks,
Mark