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locked Re: case sensitivity of Group+SubGroup names on digest subject line

Shal Farley
 

RichardTE,

Ideally, setting the cAsE (interCaps) of sub/group names would carry to
all instances on the website & in emails. Thanks.
The behavior seems to be case preserving, but case independent on input. Which I think is ideal.

That is, I have a group with a camelCased name (GroupManagersForum) and the intercaps are preserved everywhere I see the name on the web, in URLs and in email generated by Groups.io. But when I type the URL into my browser, or as an email address, the case of the letters is ignored: groupmanagersforum works as do other variants).

I have not tested this specifically with digest subject lines though. I will for tonight's digest. ;-)


Shal
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum
locked Re: Photos and attachments from group site

Maria
 

We are also excited about this item being on the TODO list! We have a classifieds type group which relies heavily on the ability of members to upload and attach jpegs and pdf's.

It would be interesting - and I wonder - if it's possible to have a separate kind of sub-group that isn't "discussion" centered, but more an announcement/classifieds section that would maybe produce a digest that is more visual (ie: include pics) and that members could go back in to edit their posts and "close" them out when an item has sold, or when a job position has been filled, etc. Maybe this would be a cool thing to have as a different kind of add on option?


Thank you!

Maria
locked Re: editing a message to create a link fails, takes you out of the page #bug

Janet_Catlady
 

p.s. I found a workaround: I can edit the page, create a duplicate of the string, and use the symbol to make the duplicate string into a link. Then I delete the original string. I don't know why this works but trying to turn the original string into a link doesn't.

Also wanted to mention: In conjunction with the behavior of not turning "things that look like links" into links on the site (which is now on the trello TBD list - thank you, Mark!), this situation is particularly problematic. When that gets changed, it won't be. Currently, even if I send something of the form "www.whatever.com", or even something preceded by https//, via email, it does get turned into a link by gmail messages, and email members get the link.. But is not a link on the site.

J
locked optional group notification for wiki changes (in addition to log) #suggestion

Janet_Catlady
 

Months after complaining about the Wiki, I now love it and am taking full advantage of it. In my main group I've created several pages open to additions (edits) by group members - members' personal blog links, humor links, "suggestion box," etc. - while leaving the ones I don't want members to touch set to "only moderators can edit."

As far as I'm concerned, the Wiki feature is now nearly perfect, with one possible exception:  I think the wiki might be more helpful to members if there were checkbox for "notify group" when someone edits a wiki page. Especially in the cases of the pages open to edits by members, I think that sometimes the member making the change (adding their blog to the list, or a humor link, etc.) might want the other members to be alerted that they've made a contribution. Otherwise, unless members are actively or periodically checking the wiki, these contributions would generally go unnoticed.

That's my wishlist feature and I'm curious about hearing pros and cons. I haven't thought it through.

J
locked case sensitivity of Group+SubGroup names on digest subject line

RichardTE
 

If I have any of this wrong, please let me know.  Hypothetical example:  

group:  NYTimes 
subgroup:  Books 

digest subject:  Nytimes+Books Digest #99 
or:  Mtsthelens+Volcano / Ymca+Sports etc.

Ideally, setting the cAsE (interCaps) of sub/group names would carry to all instances on the website & in emails.  Thanks.  
RichardTE 
locked "card_declined" message not proper

Sam Wilson
 

Hi,

When I tried to upgrade to the Premium plan, I got the following error message:

card_declined

I assume this should have the actual message text in it instead. :) (Not that it's not obvious what the problem is...)

Thanks,
Sam.
locked Re: subgroup with subdomain

Shal Farley
 

Marten,

How to enable this or is it currently not implemented?
So far as I know not yet implemented. I'd also like to see it roll out. Last reference to it, as far as I know, was on the Early 2016 Roadmap (2nd item), message 4759.
https://groups.io/g/beta/message/4759

Maybe the problem is that it doesn't seem to be on Trello.


Shal
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum
locked editing a message to create a link fails, takes you out of the page #bug

Janet_Catlady
 

This is consistent throughout my groups and test groups: 

If I edit a message (my own message) by selecting a string of text and using the link symbol to create a link, it gets as far as letting me hit "insert link," but after that takes me out of the page and no link has been created. 

J
locked Re: Site updates #changelog

Janet_Catlady
 

Mark,

Great, thanks for the clarification. 

J
locked subgroup with subdomain

Marten Post Uiterweer
 

Hi Mark,

A few months back you suggested a new beta feature to have a subdomain
when you have a subgroup. For example:
group Market
subgroup sales
so you could send mail to:
sales@market.groups.io

How to enable this or is it currently not implemented?
My group has a beta mark on it, so it must be possible to use
beta-features.

Regards, Marten
locked Re: Site updates #changelog

Mark Fletcher
 

On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 2:56 PM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 02:40 pm, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
  • BUGFIX: In some circumstances you could join a subgroup without joining the parent group. Now if you directly try to join a subgroup, you're added to the main group as well.

    •  I'm hoping the change in bold does not apply in general, but rather, only to the circumstances of the bug (whatever they were). In particular, I'm hoping (and assuming?) it does not apply to a restricted main group with an unrestricted subgroup. Right?


    Correct. If you try to directly join a subgroup and the main group is restricted, it functions like you only applied to the main group. You are not added to the subgroup.

    Mark 
    locked Re: Site updates #changelog

    Janet_Catlady
     

    On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 02:40 pm, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
  • BUGFIX: In some circumstances you could join a subgroup without joining the parent group. Now if you directly try to join a subgroup, you're added to the main group as well.

    •  I'm hoping the change in bold does not apply in general, but rather, only to the circumstances of the bug (whatever they were). In particular, I'm hoping (and assuming?) it does not apply to a restricted main group with an unrestricted subgroup. Right?

    Thanks.

    J
    locked Re: Site updates #changelog

    Ro
     

    Yay for the display option of 100 items per page!


    Ro

    with Sally and Silk waiting at their feed dishes, and Handy, Feliz &  Police Kitty patrolling in the Great Beyond.




    Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 14:40:12 -0800
    Subject: [beta] Site updates #changelog
    To: beta@groups.io
    From: markf@corp.groups.io

    Changes to the site this week:
    • NEW: Cancel button when adding/editing wiki page.
    • NEW: Group setting to not permit no email subscriptions.
    • BUGFIX: Fixed an issue where a moderated integration could get stuck in a pending message loop, generating a lot of pending messages.
    • NEW: Profile setting for how many items to display per page (20, 50 or 100).
    • NEW: Added back the Edit button in the Pending Messages page.
    • NEW: When replying to a message, display the subject and permit it to be edited.
    • NEW: When editing a message, if a moderator uses Save Without Sending to edit a message not authored by them, the original author is emailed a copy of the message.
    • BUGFIX: Edit badge is displayed in Messages view for edited messages.
    • BUGFIX: In some circumstances you could join a subgroup without joining the parent group. Now if you directly try to join a subgroup, you're added to the main group as well.
    • BUGFIX: If you try to join a subgroup and your parent group sub is pending, a flash message is now displayed telling you that.
    • NEW: Calendar can now be viewable by the public, similar to how wiki pages can be.
    • CHANGE: If we can't find the file in the Files group, redirect to the Files section, not the group home page.
    • BUGFIX: Moderators who had member change perm but not moderator change perm couldn't edit members.
    • INTERNAL: Upgraded to Go 1.6
    • INTERNAL: Upgraded webserver to HTTP/2.
    • CHANGE: Improved checking for valid email addresses.
    • BUGFIX: Don't fixup charset to cp949, which isn't supported, and check for error in EncodePart().
    Have a good weekend, everybody!
    Mark
    locked Site updates #changelog

    Mark Fletcher
     

    Changes to the site this week:

    • NEW: Cancel button when adding/editing wiki page.
    • NEW: Group setting to not permit no email subscriptions.
    • BUGFIX: Fixed an issue where a moderated integration could get stuck in a pending message loop, generating a lot of pending messages.
    • NEW: Profile setting for how many items to display per page (20, 50 or 100).
    • NEW: Added back the Edit button in the Pending Messages page.
    • NEW: When replying to a message, display the subject and permit it to be edited.
    • NEW: When editing a message, if a moderator uses Save Without Sending to edit a message not authored by them, the original author is emailed a copy of the message.
    • BUGFIX: Edit badge is displayed in Messages view for edited messages.
    • BUGFIX: In some circumstances you could join a subgroup without joining the parent group. Now if you directly try to join a subgroup, you're added to the main group as well.
    • BUGFIX: If you try to join a subgroup and your parent group sub is pending, a flash message is now displayed telling you that.
    • NEW: Calendar can now be viewable by the public, similar to how wiki pages can be.
    • CHANGE: If we can't find the file in the Files group, redirect to the Files section, not the group home page.
    • BUGFIX: Moderators who had member change perm but not moderator change perm couldn't edit members.
    • INTERNAL: Upgraded to Go 1.6
    • INTERNAL: Upgraded webserver to HTTP/2.
    • CHANGE: Improved checking for valid email addresses.
    • BUGFIX: Don't fixup charset to cp949, which isn't supported, and check for error in EncodePart().

    Have a good weekend, everybody!

    Mark
    locked Re: Draft Code of Conduct -- Owl's Opinion

    kr402
     

    On Feb 26, 2016, at 2:14 PM, "Jim Fisher" <ejf@...> wrote:

    this still leaves the problem of people knowing what you mean by "adult" or "X-rated". 

    I am not Mark, but this makes it very clear to me.


    we define as adult content, nudity or pornography, groups that contain the following would clearly NOT be allowed:

    • Depictions or images of sexual acts or implied sexual activity
    • Nudity (exposed or see-though coverage of areas typically covered by a bathing suit or underwear)
    • Graphic photos or videos
    • Fetishes
    locked Re: Draft Code of Conduct -- Owl's Opinion

    Jim Fisher
     

    Hi Mark,

    I understand and sympathise with your commercial concerns, but this still
    leaves the problem of people knowing what you mean by "adult" or "X-rated". The
    meaning of those terms varies enormously from place to place, which means they
    are not very helpful in an international medium like the internet.

    Are you thinking, incidentally, only of advertisers based in USA? Advertisers
    on French and German TV, for example, take it for granted that bare breasts,
    male and female, are generally acceptable, while on UK TV they are common
    within programmes but banned in adverts. I don't know the situation in USA or
    elsewhere, but it illustrates the problem of needing clear definitions that
    will be interpreted the same way wherever you operate.

    Jim Fisher

    On 25 Feb 2016 at 14:25, Mark Fletcher wrote:

    Hi All,

    I've only had a chance to skim the messages about the CoC today (busy
    adding features and such...), but felt the need to chime in here with a
    couple of things:

    - Brenda's got it right about what I wish to accomplish with the CoC and I
    very much appreciate her help in drafting this.

    - The adult content policy is linked to from the terms of service, see
    https://groups.io/static/tos, last sentence of the first part. It's copied
    from Ning, and the reasons I've instituted it are exactly the same as
    Ning's. It's purely practical. Adult groups are not good business. Ad
    networks will not touch us if we have adult groups. Also, in my direct
    experience, adult groups require a lot more support than other groups,
    which means they cost a lot more to host. There are tons of places that
    will host adult content, which is great; we don't need to be one of them.

    - A concern has been raised that instituting a CoC will put Groups.io in
    the position to have to deal with disagreements and disgruntlements. The
    thing is, we _already_ have to deal with that. We already get complaints
    from disgruntled members about various things. My sincere hope with the CoC is
    that it will reduce the number of issues we have to deal with, by, as clearly as
    we can, specifying the type of behavior that is acceptable. Call me naive, but
    just maybe, if going into a group, you know that harassment won't be tolerated,
    you may be less inclined to harass.

    I will have more time to read through things tomorrow.

    Thanks!
    Mark

    On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 12:03 PM, Feathered Leader <featheredleader@att.net>
    wrote:

    Okay, I have not read everything in here yet, but I feel I have to say
    something here.

    Mark's COC is not a guide to what people can and can't talk about (with
    certain restrictions like Adult content and illegal doings).

    Mark's COC is a guide to how he would like people to behave. I tried to
    explain that before, that it's about CONDUCT, hence the word conduct, not
    content.

    Instead, everyone is going on about what would and wouldn't be allowed in
    here, and the bottom line is that I don't think Mark is going to start reading
    every post and checking for compliance with the COC.

    What I believe Mark is trying to do, is create basic guidelines that he
    would like followed, to ensure that his site is a safe place for people to
    come and congregate. I believe that he wants the site to have protective
    policies in place, in case there is some serious infraction...and note, I said
    SERIOUS infraction.

    I don't believe Mark is planning to boot out every member that makes a
    complaint. I also believe it would have to be a series of complaints, or
    one really SERIOUS one, such as a threat on one's life, or posting private
    information on a public site. Those safeguards do need to be in place to
    protect people who are truly being "attacked."

    So my opinion is that many of you are blowing this whole thing out of
    proportion. I agree the wording can be changed in some cases on the COC
    that I helped adjust, and I plan to do that soon as well, but I think you all
    are missing the point Mark is trying to make.

    But here's it all in a nutshell:

    I believe that Mark wants the following:
    -- Members to be considerate of one another and stay civil.
    -- Members to not bully or attack (threaten bodily harm or life), one
    another online or off (using his site as origin contact point).
    -- Members not to publically post personal or contact information on
    others without permission.
    -- Members not to do anything illegal on here, such as exchange pirated
    software, sell stuff illegally, etc.
    -- Members not to be discrimmatory or use hate speech on here
    -- Members not to share porn, use X-rated images or other similar "Adult"
    content. -- Members not to use multiple identities to bully other members or
    otherwise wreak havoc -- Members to not spam or send junk mail to overwhelm
    the site

    And I believe he wants:
    -- Moderators to "police" or watch their own groups.
    -- Moderators to handle whatever they can on their own.
    -- Moderators to work with him when there is a serious issue that needs
    Management to intervene.
    -- Moderators to respect the integrity of his site.

    That's what I believe Mark wants.

    Let's see what HE says.

    Meanwhile, I honestly think this is being blown all out of proportion.
    Take a step back and look at the things I just said. Would you want to be in a
    group where people could bully or threaten you, post your personal
    information, call you racist names, spam your members, etc. etc.?

    I applaud Mark for trying to make this a place where people can come and feel
    safe. I know many do not feel safe on Facebook or Twitter, along with many
    other sites. Yes, we'll all have our differences, but I think we're all adult
    enough to respect the integrity of this site. It's the least we can do, for
    someone who has been so kind to build it for us in exactly the way we need.

    Brenda









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    locked Re: Digest Html

    Maria
     

    Thank You! I see that option and recognize that many sites like next door, big tent and other forum platforms have users login to post/reply. I think that's fine. Just wish there was a way for new users to realize that they can reply privately too - even if it brings them to web interface to do so, I think an indication on digest of this option would be great. 


    Separetely, is there any way to bold the subject of each post in digest ? I feel like it needs more help graphically to distinguish one post from the other.  On an iPhone the iOS prevents the user from jumping to a post from the TOC - so anything that helps graphically since you have to do a lot of scrolling would be cool. 


    Thanks!

    maria 
    locked Updates to Trello

    Beta Integration <beta@...>
     

    [Beta] New card "Sort messages via new Updated field, that's only set when a message is edited." was added to list "Messages and Archives".

    [Beta] The blue label "Messages & Archives" was added to the card "Sort messages via new Updated field, that's only set when a message is edited.".
    locked Re: Making an approval form using database

    Mark Fletcher
     

    Hi Armando,


    On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Armando <braille.bt4753@...> wrote:
    Sorry for that.  I am trying to create a form that new members who are trying to subscribe can click a link in the approval email to fill out the form.

    That feature is not yet done. I'll post when it is ready.

    Thanks,
    Mark 
    locked Re: Moderators editing members' messages

    Mark Fletcher
     

    Hi Linda,

    On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 4:05 AM, Linda <lindon@...> wrote:

    Question: Does this also apply to edits to pending messages?
     

    It does not apply to pending messages.

    I have also added back the Edit button on the Pending Messages page.

    Cheers,
    Mark
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