I think queueing the edits up for a minute or two and only sending the last one might be a good idea. But any longer than that, or moderating all edits, seems like a bait and switch. I can see it causing users anger and frustration ('where did my edit go?' etc). 

J

 

J

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 15, 2016, at 3:05 PM, Ro <recarlton@...> wrote:

That seems like a lot of work.  I would rather have the setting to turn off peoples ability to edit at all if the group owner so desires.   Most edits in the groups I am in are tiny things, not worthy of multiple posts. 

No I am absolutely against all edited posts going to moderation!  that is more work, not less!  But of course, this would be an optional setting for the moderators to choose.  since i would never choose it, it of course would be useless for me.   I am already annoyed at GETTING all these edited posts via direct mail, much less having to moderate them.  The whole point is not to have to re read these posts for some tiny correction.  My time is more valuable than that.

Delaying the posts a minute or two does nothing for those on direct email.

Likewise, queuing up edited emails again does nothing for those on direct email.  We still get them. 

yes, the ability to turn off peoples editing is the most direct and efficient way to solve the direct email problem. 


Ro

with Sally and Silk waiting at their feed dishes, and Handy, Feliz &  Police Kitty patrolling in the Great Beyond.

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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 14:51:52 -0800
Subject: [beta] Editing messages
From: markf@corp.groups.io
To: beta@groups.io

Hi All,

 

Sometimes people will tweak their messages using the Edit function and instead of doing all their changes in one fell swoop, they'll edit and edit, each time generating a new email to the group. Off the top of my head, here are some ideas about how to address this. I have not thought through all the implications of these. Just brainstorming.

 

- Group setting so that all edits are moderated, regardless of the subscriber's settings.

- Like we do with some integrations, hold off for a minute or two before sending out the edited message, in case another edit comes in. Only send out the last one received.

- Queue up edits and only send them out once a day, and if there are multiple edits, only send the last one.

 

Other suggestions appreciated.

 

The suggestion was made for a preview window. I don't see how that'd help, given that the edit window is already WYSIWYG.

 

Thanks,

Mark

I think queueing the edits up for a minute or two and only sending the last one might be a good idea. But any longer than that, or moderating all edits, seems like a bait and switch. I can see it causing users anger and frustration ('where did my edit go?' etc). 

J

J

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 15, 2016, at 3:05 PM, Ro <recarlton@...> wrote:

That seems like a lot of work.  I would rather have the setting to turn off peoples ability to edit at all if the group owner so desires.   Most edits in the groups I am in are tiny things, not worthy of multiple posts. 

No I am absolutely against all edited posts going to moderation!  that is more work, not less!  But of course, this would be an optional setting for the moderators to choose.  since i would never choose it, it of course would be useless for me.   I am already annoyed at GETTING all these edited posts via direct mail, much less having to moderate them.  The whole point is not to have to re read these posts for some tiny correction.  My time is more valuable than that.

Delaying the posts a minute or two does nothing for those on direct email.

Likewise, queuing up edited emails again does nothing for those on direct email.  We still get them. 

yes, the ability to turn off peoples editing is the most direct and efficient way to solve the direct email problem. 


Ro

with Sally and Silk waiting at their feed dishes, and Handy, Feliz &  Police Kitty patrolling in the Great Beyond.

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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 14:51:52 -0800
Subject: [beta] Editing messages
From: markf@corp.groups.io
To: beta@groups.io

Hi All,

Sometimes people will tweak their messages using the Edit function and instead of doing all their changes in one fell swoop, they'll edit and edit, each time generating a new email to the group. Off the top of my head, here are some ideas about how to address this. I have not thought through all the implications of these. Just brainstorming.

- Group setting so that all edits are moderated, regardless of the subscriber's settings.

- Like we do with some integrations, hold off for a minute or two before sending out the edited message, in case another edit comes in. Only send out the last one received.

- Queue up edits and only send them out once a day, and if there are multiple edits, only send the last one.

Other suggestions appreciated.

The suggestion was made for a preview window. I don't see how that'd help, given that the edit window is already WYSIWYG.

Thanks,

Mark

Moderators/Owners would still have the ability to allow editing of messages.   it would be an option that some would use and some wouldnt

I dont know how "accurate" archives are when there are multiple edited emails that you have to use a word by word comparison to figure out whats been changed.  Just adds unnecessary messages to the archives IMO. 


Ro

with Sally and Silk waiting at their feed dishes, and Handy, Feliz &  Police Kitty patrolling in the Great Beyond.

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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 14:45:15 -0800
Subject: Re: [beta] Duplicate messages bug?
From: markf@corp.groups.io
To: beta@groups.io.

 

After tonight's fiasco, I agree even more strongly with @Ro that an option to disallow edits by group members would be a desirable feature.

I feel that to compete with all the other services, you need to be able to edit messages these days. I also think it's a good feature in general in that I think it leads to better, more accurate archives. That said, perhaps there are things we can do to address the 'million little tweaks' issue. I'll start another thread with some ideas.

Thanks,

Mark

That seems like a lot of work.  I would rather have the setting to turn off peoples ability to edit at all if the group owner so desires.   Most edits in the groups I am in are tiny things, not worthy of multiple posts. 

No I am absolutely against all edited posts going to moderation!  that is more work, not less!  But of course, this would be an optional setting for the moderators to choose.  since i would never choose it, it of course would be useless for me.   I am already annoyed at GETTING all these edited posts via direct mail, much less having to moderate them.  The whole point is not to have to re read these posts for some tiny correction.  My time is more valuable than that.

Delaying the posts a minute or two does nothing for those on direct email.

Likewise, queuing up edited emails again does nothing for those on direct email.  We still get them. 

yes, the ability to turn off peoples editing is the most direct and efficient way to solve the direct email problem. 


Ro

with Sally and Silk waiting at their feed dishes, and Handy, Feliz &  Police Kitty patrolling in the Great Beyond.

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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 14:51:52 -0800
Subject: [beta] Editing messages
From: markf@corp.groups.io
To: beta@groups.io

Hi All,

Sometimes people will tweak their messages using the Edit function and instead of doing all their changes in one fell swoop, they'll edit and edit, each time generating a new email to the group. Off the top of my head, here are some ideas about how to address this. I have not thought through all the implications of these. Just brainstorming.

- Group setting so that all edits are moderated, regardless of the subscriber's settings.

- Like we do with some integrations, hold off for a minute or two before sending out the edited message, in case another edit comes in. Only send out the last one received.

- Queue up edits and only send them out once a day, and if there are multiple edits, only send the last one.

Other suggestions appreciated.

The suggestion was made for a preview window. I don't see how that'd help, given that the edit window is already WYSIWYG.

Thanks,

Mark

On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 11:29 PM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

 Something was definitely amiss because the Activity logged no edits at all by the user = just "sent messages." I thought it was part of the bug, but it turned out to be a separate bug that Mark says he will fix next week.

I've fixed the activity logging of edited messages now.

 

After tonight's fiasco, I agree even more strongly with @Ro that an option to disallow edits by group members would be a desirable feature.

I feel that to compete with all the other services, you need to be able to edit messages these days. I also think it's a good feature in general in that I think it leads to better, more accurate archives. That said, perhaps there are things we can do to address the 'million little tweaks' issue. I'll start another thread with some ideas.

Thanks,

Mark

On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 11:29 PM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

 Something was definitely amiss because the Activity logged no edits at all by the user = just "sent messages." I thought it was part of the bug, but it turned out to be a separate bug that Mark says he will fix next week.

I've fixed the activity logging of edited messages now.

 

After tonight's fiasco, I agree even more strongly with @Ro that an option to disallow edits by group members would be a desirable feature.

I feel that to compete with all the other services, you need to be able to edit messages these days. I also think it's a good feature in general in that I think it leads to better, more accurate archives. That said, perhaps there are things we can do to address the 'million little tweaks' issue. I'll start another thread with some ideas.

Thanks,

Mark