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locked Re: only the first 20 of a member's posts come up #bug

 
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Duane,

In any group, not just ones where you're a moderator, you can click on members whose username is clickable (blue) and see their posts in that group. You can do that through the message view, or through top posters [EDIT2: I'm sure about top posters,not sure about the other ways], or any number of ways. In all of those ways, only the first page of the member's posts (the first 20 posts) comes up. [EDIT: Although the results lead you to believe you will be able to see the rest, because it provides links for them, the links don't work.] 

J



locked Re: only the first 20 of a member's posts come up #bug

Duane
 

The only way I've found to see post history by member is in their membership on the Activity History and that pages through fine for me. Are you getting there another way?

Duane


locked Re: Code of conduct

rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hi Mark,
Honest, yet, respectful thoughts. Everything can be safe, and everything can be unsafe. Everything should, but not everything does have a good reputation. By inforcing such things, they will not stop people. If you want safe things, thought of blocking the people's IPS, who were the complaints about? Also, just close the groups that don't match groups.io's expectations? Maybe the groups could have owner approval? In this case, you?

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Fletcher" <markf@corp.groups.io
To: beta@groups.io
Date sent: Thu, 11 Feb 2016 15:08:35 -0800
Subject: Re: [beta] Code of conduct #CoC

Hi All,

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Anita C. <pocketcollie@gmail.com> wrote:

Just out of curiosity, could you share the general nature of the
complaints without giving away the specific list?


Recently, complaints about bullying by group owners. But my thought about
creating a CoC is more about the future than right now, and shaping the
general reputation of Groups.io groups as 'safe' places on the Internet.

Here's what I want to avoid. Reddit has a horrible reputation, for hosting
racist and sexist groups, for trolls, for a lot of nastiness. I don't want
any part of that. While not a direct corollary to Groups.io, Twitter also
has a problem with a lot of harassment. Many people don't feel safe using
those services. In the real world, many science fiction conventions
(amongst others) have realized that they need a code of conduct because bad
behavior was happening (mainly sexual harassment, I believe).

It seems to me that there are some general things that would apply to all
groups: no harassment, no racism, etc. By establishing a CoC, my hope would
be that it would head off some of this behavior. I would hope that all
Groups.io moderators would want Groups.io to have a good reputation. It
would only help you.

Does this make what I'm trying to get at more clear? Thoughts appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Received: header lines

rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hmm, you have GMAIL, I have GMAIL. You've noticed, I've noticed. For me, though, they lie in spam.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "J_catlady" <j.olivia.catlady@gmail.com
To: beta@groups.io
Date sent: Thu, 11 Feb 2016 08:44:55 -0800
Subject: [beta] Re: Received: header lines

I know nothing about these internals, but I've noticed something funny going on with email threads, starting very recently, which is this: within the email thread corresponding to a Groups.io thread, messages are often missing. I've now started to wonder whether what Groups.io is doing with the headers has anything to do with this.

It's disconcerting: I'll go into email looking for the complete thread and find that messages seem missing, and have to go onto the site to find the whole thing.

If nobody else has noticed this, then forget it - I'll keep watching it. I don't have enough information yet to report the behavior in any detail, including whether or not it has anything to do with whether messages were sent via the site or via email. Regardless of that, it does seem like someone receiving single messages should always get the whole thread. ??혻

J


locked "your subscription has not been approved" banner displays for wrong group #bug

 

If I click on a group for which my membership has not yet been approved, the banner "your subscription has not yet been approved" banner does not come up. However, it DOES come up for any subsequent group I click on (and which I'm a member of). It goes away only after I click on some function within the group.

(Note: I thought I was imagining this at first. But since I applied for membership in a group that seems to be inactive, and it's been a week or two since I applied to it, I've seen the behavior several times now.)

J


locked only the first 20 of a member's posts come up #bug

 

If you click on a member to see their posts, the first 20 come up fine. At the bottom, the page says "1 - 20 of X" (where X is their total number of posts). followed by links ("2, 3, 4, …") to see the rest of their posts in groups of 20. However, when you click on page 2, the display reverts to the message list of the group as a whole.

J


locked Re: Code of conduct

rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hello,
I like this one, actually.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "RS" <dalemonator@gmx.com
To: beta@groups.io
Date sent: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 17:30:25 -0800
Subject: [beta] Re: Code of conduct #CoC

I agree that the moderator needs to be the responsible party to the utmost extent possible.혻 Members also need to be responsible and leave any group t hey feel is not respectful.혻 After enough people leave, the group may or may not get the message, but that should be on them too.

Let's meet in the middle.

SUGGESTION: Create a "Code of Conduct" message page for all groups, always visible can't be deactivated.혻 It would be linked on the sidebar like any other feature.혻 It would be auto populated with the default text as decided on by Groups.io management, so all groups are encouraged to begin with this standard.혻 However, since one size never fits all, add the following functions.

1) Owners (and moderators if so designated) can edit this text.혻 If they do so, a bright red message appears at the top of the message page saying, "This group's Code of Conduct varies from the Groups.io default.혻 Please read it carefully." (or words to that effect).혻
2) The message by default is auto-emailed out to new members when they are added.혻 Allowing disabling this feature would not be something I would recommend, but I suppose if you countered it's removal with a different auto-emailed message stating that "this group does not auto-send Code of Conduct info out, please see the CoC page here (link), or contact the group's owner for more info." (OWTTE) you could allow it.혻 I think that would weaken it's impact past my comfort level though.
3) Owners (and mods if designated) have the ability to manually send the CoC to the group or to a select person (or list of persons) ideally right from the CoC screen.

4) Ability to autosend the CoC at regular intervals if the group wants to set that up.

This way, you encourage but don't tie down creativity, freedom of expression, etc., encourage responsible behavior, and also reduce the burden of enforcement. The last thing you want is to get embroiled in what constitutes a "knee-jerk reaction" on a system with a likes feature and easy "quick reply" features which encourage knee-jerk responses.
Let the TOS be the arbiter of the allowable content (your pervue of enforcement), and the Mods be the arbiters of etiquette via the CoC (their pervue), and the Members be thus empowered to act in a fully informed manner (our own inherent responsibility). Getting more complex than that would be a can o worms you may not want, or be able to keep up with.


locked Re: Code of conduct

rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hi Mark,
I read link 1. I can see that this is somewhat different to the privacy policy, and terms of service. Its basically what is expected. I am neutral about the idea. If it is a high request, I can't see why. All I will say, though, is if someone wants to be rude, something like this will not stop them, as hard we try. Bassed on past experience, some don't even read the guide lines. I'm one of them, but then again, most of us know what is right and wrong. Those that don't, will not care, either.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Fletcher" <markf@corp.groups.io
To: beta@groups.io
Date sent: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 13:08:35 -0800
Subject: [beta] Code of conduct #CoC

Hi All,

I believe Groups.io should have a Code of Conduct. Yes, we already have a
Terms of Service, but a Code of Conduct covers somewhat different
territory. Here are three examples of Codes that I like, to give you an
idea of what I'm talking about:

http://try.discourse.org/faq
https://golang.org/conduct
http://rubyonrails.org/conduct/

Of course, not all parts of those are applicable to Groups.io groups. Let
me stress, the goal isn't to limit discussion or topics or groups, but to
provide guidelines to keep things civil and respectful.

When I've brought this up before, some have said that they didn't think
something like this was needed. That's fantastic; you're running your
groups well! But based on complaints I'm getting through support, however,
I think Groups.io in general would benefit from something like this.

Is this a bad idea? Tell me why (respectfully, please :-) ). Otherwise, let
me know which parts of those Codes you like or don't like and I'll start
cobbling something together. If you have a favorite Code of Conduct from
somewhere else, please share it as well.

I've tagged this with the #CoC hashtag, so you can ignore discussions about
this if you wish.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: red padlock logo on all Groups.io messages in inbox today

rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hi,
Using an email client? I am, and no changes.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "J_catlady" <j.olivia.catlady@gmail.com
To: beta@groups.io
Date sent: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 12:10:19 -0800
Subject: [beta] red padlock logo on all Groups.io messages in inbox today #inbox

This morning, all the Groups.io messages arriving in my email inbox, from more than one group I'm in (including this one - I haven't yet checked them all), have a little red "padlock" at the left of the "to" line. I've never seen it before, don't know what it means, and am not sure whether to call it a bug.

J


locked Re: Received: header lines

rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hi Mark,
How would it effect email logs? Would they look the same?

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Fletcher" <markf@corp.groups.io
To: beta@groups.io
Date sent: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 10:41:14 -0800
Subject: [beta] Received: header lines

Hi All,

After the Verizon/AOL problem the other day, I've been thinking it may be a
good idea to remove all Received: header lines in messages that we send
out, to prevent this kind of thing from happening in the future. I would
only remove the Received header lines in the messages sent out; what we
store and what you see with View Original on the website would not change.
It would not affect normal users in any way.

Thoughts?

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: I always want copies of my own messages

rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hi Mark,
In my view, if the box is unchecked, like for myself, it should be unchecked, regardless. Or, have 2 check boxes, 1 for each setting.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Fletcher" <markf@corp.groups.io
To: beta@groups.io
Date sent: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 09:32:49 -0800
Subject: [beta] I always want copies of my own messages

Hi All,

As you know, there's the profile checkbox to receive your own messages. All
that does right now is trick Gmail (and some other services) so show you
your own message. The checkbox is checked by default.

Regardless of whether the checkbox is checked, if you're on digest, you
still see your own messages in the digest. If you're on single, we still
send the message to you, regardless of the setting.

Should that change? If you uncheck the box, should you not see your
messages in digests? Should I not send the message to you in single mode
either?

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Duplicate messages bug?

 

Janice,

I have been in touch with Mark about this and I feel (and I think
he agrees) the problem revolves around the buttons and wording on the
Posting page. I have had members wonder why their messages did not show
up on the group. After discussing things with them, I realize they are
clicking on Post instead of scrolling to the bottom and clicking on
Send. To many people Post is the same as Send.
Oh.

In that case I would suggest that the Post button be careful, and if the user is already on the Post Message page it should put up a "You haven't sent this message" banner, or something like that, without disturbing any content the user may have already put into the Subject or message body boxes.

That would clue the user that the buttons on the left are for changing pages, not taking actions. It would also give the user an opportunity to look again and connect the word "sent" in the message with the word "Send" in the button below the message box.

Also, by the same logic, the Home and other buttons in the left column should give the user a warning or "are you sure" pop-up or something if the user tries to switch away from the Post Message page with any content typed into that page. Right now they also cause the user's text to be discarded, which could be a big disappointment.

-- Shal


locked Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site since Wednesday:

  • CHANGE: Added some formatting to the Post page to try to make it more clear which buttons to press to send the message.
  • CHANGE: Formatting change in terms of service.
  • NEW: Rename all Received: headers to X-Received: in outbound messages.
  • BUGFIX: We were not sending email encrypted.
  • CHANGE: With a digest subscription, if you mute a thread, we delete any pending digest messages from that thread.

Have a good weekend, everybody!

Mark


locked Re: Sign In Methods #suggestion

 

Hi Brenda,

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:00 PM, Feathered Leader <featheredleader@...> wrote:

Could Twitter be another way to sign into the group?

Definitely wanted to include Twitter, but we don't get access to the email address used to register with Twitter, so we have no way of correlating it to an existing Groups.io account. With Facebook and G, when you log in using those services, we get back the email address used to register with those services.

I know other services do things like ask you to enter an email address after logging in with Twitter, but I haven't had a chance to really investigate that login flow and see how it'd fit in here.

 
P.S. when you sign in with FB or G, your e-mail still always sends to the e-mail address you used to create your groups.io account, right? I wouldn't want the mail to go to FB or G.


Correct.

Cheers,
Mark


locked TOS #suggestion

Nightowl >8#
 

Mark,

I have been able to retain most of the TOS information that you have listed, but there is one section that I can't read without being confused:
********************************************
You agree to not use the Service to:

email or otherwise upload any content that (i) infringes any intellectual property or other proprietary rights of any party; (ii) you do not have a right to upload under any law or under contractual or fiduciary relationships; (iii) contains software viruses or any other computer code, files or programs designed to interrupt, destroy or limit the functionality of any computer software or hardware or telecommunications equipment; (iv) poses or creates a privacy or security risk to any person; (v) constitutes unsolicited or unauthorized advertising, promotional materials, commercial activities and/or sales, “junk mail,” “spam,” “chain letters,” “pyramid schemes,” “contests,” “sweepstakes,” or any other form of ...
******************************************
The roman numerals used in this blur all together. I would really prefer it to be like this:

You agree to not use the Service to:

email or otherwise upload any content that
(i) infringes any intellectual property or other proprietary rights of any party;
(ii) you do not have a right to upload under any law or under contractual or fiduciary relationships;
(iii) contains software viruses or any other computer code, files or programs designed to interrupt, destroy or limit the functionality of any computer software or hardware or telecommunications equipment;
(iv) poses or creates a privacy or security risk to any person;
(v) constitutes unsolicited or unauthorized advertising, promotional materials, commercial activities and/or sales, “junk mail,” “spam,” “chain letters,” “pyramid schemes,” “contests,” “sweepstakes,” or any other form of ...
(etc. etc.).

Just a suggestion, because it is really difficult to read and retain like it is now.

Brenda


locked Re: Code of conduct

vickie <vickie_00@...>
 

Brenda
I like a lot about it, but like you said Mark's opinion is what counts.

Vickie

 










From: Feathered Leader <featheredleader@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 10:49 PM
Subject: [beta] Re: Code of conduct #CoC

No problem,

I posted it so everyone can read it, because I think maybe it presents the idea Mark is trying to explain by wanting the COC.

Would appreciate feedback on it, and of course, Mark's opinion, which is the main one that counts. ;)

Brenda







locked Re: Code of conduct

Nightowl >8#
 

No problem,

I posted it so everyone can read it, because I think maybe it presents the idea Mark is trying to explain by wanting the COC.

Would appreciate feedback on it, and of course, Mark's opinion, which is the main one that counts. ;)

Brenda


locked Re: Code of conduct

vickie <vickie_00@...>
 

Thank you for allowing me to read this Brenda

 

Vickie

 










From: Feathered Leader <featheredleader@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 10:34 PM
Subject: [beta] Re: Code of conduct #CoC

Mark,

I have used the discourse FAQ and altered it to fit the concepts I was describing.
Feel free to use this template or adjust it in any way. It's just a concept that I'm offering you.


locked Re: Code of conduct

Nightowl >8#
 

vickie wrote:>> Wow, I am so glad you won your case..  Personal information about a person where they can be found is scary.. That was definitely crossing the line.<<

Exactly, and that's why I'm trying so hard to make sure those failsafes are in groups,io.

Vickie wrote:>>I would love to read what you put together for Mark  to read. 

I just posted it. ;)

Brenda


locked Re: Code of conduct

Nightowl >8#
 

Mark,

I have used the discourse FAQ and altered it to fit the concepts I was describing.
Feel free to use this template or adjust it in any way. It's just a concept that I'm offering you.

**********************************************************
We Want to Maintain A Civilized Place for Public Discussion

We want groups.io to be known as a safe place where people wanting to engage in discussion online will feel comfortable to come & participate. We want people to know that if they are attacked in any fashion, that we will not tolerate it and will take steps to protect them.

These are not hard and fast rules, just simple guidelines to keep our site civil and harassment free, and enable all users here to feel comfortable.
***************************************************
Be Agreeable, Even When You Disagree

Please be respectful of the topics and the people discussing them, even if you disagree with some of what is being said.

You may wish to respond to something by disagreeing with it. That’s fine. But, remember to criticize ideas, not people. We prefer that you would avoid:

Name-calling.
Ad hominem attacks.
Responding to a post’s tone instead of its actual content.
Knee-jerk contradiction.

If these things do occur, and the Moderator cannot handle it, you can report them to the groups.io management and they will be addressed.
**********************************************
If You See a Problem, Flag It

Moderators are responsible for their own groups. But so are the members With their members help, moderators can be community facilitators, not just Posting Police.

When you see bad behavior, don’t reply. It encourages the bad behavior by acknowledging it, consumes your energy, and wastes everyone’s time. Just report it to first the moderator, and then if needed, groups.io management. If enough reports accrue, action will be taken, either by moderator or management intervention.

In order to maintain our community, moderators reserve the right to remove any content and any user account for any reason at any time.
******************************************
Always Be Civil

Try not to sabotage a healthy conversation with rudeness:

Be civil. Try not to post anything that is deliberately intended to be offensive, abusive, or hate speech.

Keep it clean. Don’t post anything deliberately intended to be obscene or sexually explicit.

We ask all users to respect each other. Don’t bully, harass or threaten anyone, impersonate people, or expose their private information. Action will be taken against those who do by the groups.io management.

We ask all users to respect our site. Don’t post spam, or otherwise vandalize any groups.

NOTE FROM BRENDA: I put asterisk lines between the subjects because I don't use a full editor in here and couldn't easily bold them.

Brenda