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locked Owner needing approval for posts?

Nightowl >8#
 

Hey Mark,

I'm set up as approved to post, as co-owner of the group with Tyger, but I'm getting mail telling me I need to approve my posts.

However, the posts are appearing fine in the group. Any idea what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks,

Brenda


locked To Mark -- Regarding the Blog Post

Nightowl >8#
 

Mark,

I'm assuming you are familiar with the Yahoo Crusade Blog. :)

I have created a graphic with the S.S. GROUPS.IO rescue boat speeding away from the sinking Yatanic...do you need to approve it before I post it?

Also, I need to know if I can link back to your Blog as well as to this site.

Thanks,

Brenda
Nightowl >8#


locked pictures #suggestion

RS
 

Quick questions:

When I put a picture in the message body in an email, and send it in, it seems to attach and display with no problems.  However, when I use the website, it appears to insert correctly, but it doesn't successfully attach when I hit send. Doesn't come through in my inbox, or show in the Archives.

Am I missing something on this option, or is there a known bug here?

Also, I noticed when a picture goes through it shows on the main page.  When I hover over it, it shows as some kind of link.  However, clicking on it doesn't seem to change anything.  Wondering what it should do, or if it's still being worked on?


Thanks!  Still really liking this.



locked Re: A couple of questions

Nightowl >8#
 

Right Shal,

I have my browser set to delete cookies at the end of every Internet session, so cookies won't work for me. I prefer a default method.


Still can't figure out how to read messages in numbered order one after another without hitting back and reading the next one. Is there a next button anywhere?

Brenda


locked Re: Groups.io

Nightowl >8#
 

You're welcome, Diane.

I'm trying to put together a Blog post to put on the Yahoo Crusade Blog also, but it's not finished yet. Meanwhile, everyone spread the word any way you can.

Brenda

Nightowl >8#


locked Re: A couple of questions

 

Mark, Brenda,

Brenda, you can't currently set a default for message view or ordering.
I'll add that to the todo list for consideration.
To me it seems more natural if my view choices (including ordering) are simply remembered as I navigate the site and from session to session. That avoids the extra (perceived) complexity of having to go find and change the selection in my Profile or Subscription pages (or wherever they would be).

I think Yahoo Classic used to do this by setting one or more non-expiring cookies with the user's view choices. But in these cookie-phobic days that might be better stored as user data in the server.

-- Shal


locked Sticky Posts #suggestion

RS
 

Some groups might like to be able to post certain messages or topics as "sticky" so that they always appear at the top of the list (group etiquette, hot new info, etc.).  Since not everyone's need for this would be the same, perhaps when you make a post a sticky, you could specify if it appears at the top of the Thread, Message or Expanded views or all three.  Mods and Owners would seem to make sense as the ones who could be assigned this power. 


EDIT: Never mind!  Just found out you have it already!  Excellent!  For those who haven't found it yet, you go to the thread and click edit thread, then you have the option to make it sticky.  So great that you "get it". :)



locked Groups.io

 

Mark - this is a mostly pointless message - other than
to see how posting from Thunderbird works for me.

So far the messages from the beta group are coming in
clean, in order, complete - in other words, exactly
what Onelist and EGroups and the original version of
Ygroups used to be - and the way, usually, the mail
from the group on my own server (uses MailMan) are
working (modulo any DMARC issues, where some folks
don't get the mail from other folks).

Or in other words - *KUDOS*!

On lists that I create, I am rarely using the added
features (calendars, databases, polls, files, etc.),
other than we did like the pictures section when we
were using Ygroups.

Thank you, Brenda, for pointing us to this project.

Diana


locked Re: Tracking features/bugs

 

Shal,

On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 1:33 AM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:

I know Ticket management is not quite the same thing, but it overlaps. Is it too heavyweight a solution? Or are you not ready for User-supplied feedback in that form?


The answer to all your excellent questions is, "I don't know." I want to run Groups.io as transparently as possible, in terms of development. Part of that is this group, beta. Part of it is me posting what changes have been made to the site with the #updates tag. But there are a couple pieces missing, so I'm exploring options. For my own sanity I need something to track and prioritize features and bugs to work on. And that should be publicly viewable (and easy to understand for non-developers, which eliminates some bug trackers). I can see as beta gets bigger that a dedicated system for voting on features would be a good idea as well.

I've never run a company like that before, so it's uncharted waters for me. So, ya, trying some things and seeing what works. It seems like Trello might work at this stage of things for some of this.


The "elephant in the corner" then is: why not the beta group's wiki page for this purpose? I see you started down that path, but I imagine that a tool like Trello, already honed for this purpose, proved to be more facile.

Right. It felt like a more dedicated solution was better in this case. 

So, anyways, suggestions and feedback are appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Group transfers feedback so far

RS
 

Hello all,


I am wondering how feasible it would be to actually develop in the shenanigan-proof direction vs having a report and response system that people could trust.  For example, if someone is added to a group without permission, there should be a simple e-mail command to add their email to alist of "un-add-able" emails maintained by io.  So, if you suddenly find yourself getting messages from an io you did not ever plan to join, and that idea gives you problems, you have the option to disallow future direct adds for that email.  Your email goes in a list maintained by io, and you can never again be directly added. You could change this later if you join io with that same email address, using a control in your profile.  This way someone can't simply recreate the group and retry you again.  Your address is blocked at a higher level.

Perhaps add a link or command in the footer that reads:

Report This Group (which then gives you a list of options to report, ie that you were added by this owner without your permission, being spammed, abusive behvior, etc.).
Disallow All Direct Adds By Groups.io (as above, blacklists you from direct adds by any .io until you join and re-allow.)

Shenanigans are bound to happen, despite all best efforts.  I think if you make it easier for people to undo them, as well as report and prevent, they will be happy enough, and it also shows you the trends in shenanigans, so you can develop around what's actually a problem.  You might even consider an auto-suspend option if a group gets numerous complaints reported via that option, and it triggers a review by the io staff.  That does rely on you having the people, granted, but if the threshold is hit, perhaps certain summaries of data can be sent to the io admin such as if the reporting email was directly added to the group, is an io member, how long they were in the group, number of posts to the group, etc.  Review can be easy with the right data in front of you.  It could also rely on a mod of the suspended group triggering an "appeal" feature with a CAPTCHA code.  That way, if someone developed a bot of some kind, a human had to be involved to request the review.

Just a few thoughts I had while seeing how the verification process discussion was unfolding.



locked Re: deletions

 

Messages are numbered, so it will be clear when one has been deleted.

Thanks,
Mark

On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 9:56 PM, ro-esp <ro-esp@...> wrote:
Just a thought: would it help to have different messages.like "this message was deleted by author" and "message deleted by moderator"?

Are messages numbered? I mean, if there clearly are no messages between 80762 and 80765 in the archive, that would indicate that the messages in between were deleted.


btw I support the year-mm-dd format over the USA custom


                     groetjes, Ronaldo









locked Re: A couple of questions

 

Brenda, Frances,

I just pushed a fix for drag and drop of text. You should no longer see the 'drag a photo' message.

Brenda, you can't currently set a default for message view or ordering. I'll add that to the todo list for consideration.

Thanks,
Mark

On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 6:47 PM, Frances <travel@...> wrote:
Hi Brenda

I have had the drag photo message too - when I tried to edit using select, drag. 

I especially saw it in the wiki portion. 

Frances

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 10, 2015, at 9:04 PM, Feathered Leader <featheredleader@...> wrote:

Mark,


Can I set a default for the message view I want? Both type and ordering?

Also, I tried to reply to a message from Matthew in my group, but I keep getting a corner message that says drag photo here. I don't want to drag a photo, and it won't let me reply. What do I do?


Brenda



locked Re: Feathered Leader is here :)

David P. Dillard
 

For a search of

"NET-GOLD" AND "TEMPLE.EDU" AND "GROUPS.IO"

with so called omitted results included

Google shows the following although they never let one view most of it:


About 4,550 results (0.34 seconds)


..


..



Sincerely,

David Dillard

Temple University

(215) 204 - 4584

jwne@temple.edu

On Sat, 10 Jan 2015, Feathered Leader wrote:

Okay Mark,
I've started putting out the word. We can't thank you enough for creating this. More things break in Yahoo groups daily.
Yes, I would like to go to message 1, put it in expanded view and read through to 500+ is that possible?
Brenda
Owl


locked Re: Tracking features/bugs

 

Mark,

 I've been looking around for a way to better organize what features and
 bugs I'm working on/tracking. Up till now, I've been using a todo list,
 which isn't great, for many reasons.

 I'm experimenting with Trello.

I know Ticket management is not quite the same thing, but it overlaps. Is it too heavyweight a solution? Or are you not ready for User-supplied feedback in that form?

Hence what about zendesk's ticket tracker (since you're already using them)?

Same question for UserVoice, which I only ask about because I'm reasonably happy with its user experience. The ability of users to post items, comment on items, and vote on items seems like it could give you a "sense of the community" without performing explicit polls or on-list discussion.

I don't know either product from the developer side of the fence, so those are naive questions.

At work we like Fossil's ticket-tracker. That's really more geared for the development team's use, but it does provide a web UI that one can host and open to the public; with access controls for who can read or modify. Probably more fussy to set up than you want, unless you happen to already like and use Fossil as a DRCS.

 Here's the Groups.io Beta board:

  https://trello.com/b/qu3WgzVq/beta

Nice!

I guess I'll learn some more about it. I do appreciate being able to see your "to-do" list, and I think that can help keep us up to date without repetitive traffic in the beta list. Will you be the only "Member" of that board, or is this a system that could also be used as a Feedback type of forum?

The "elephant in the corner" then is: why not the beta group's wiki page for this purpose? I see you started down that path, but I imagine that a tool like Trello, already honed for this purpose, proved to be more facile.

-- Shal


locked Re: Edits, deletions, moderation, oh my!

Judy F.
 

Shal, I like that idea. One vote from me.

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Shal Farley [mailto:shal@roadrunner.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2015 3:38 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Edits, deletions, moderation, oh my!

Mark,

Hmm, ok. So should I just get rid of the 'This message has been deleted'
and any message deletion action (from the member or from the
moderator) results in the message completely disappearing?
On the other hand, what about "undelete"? Is that a feature anyone wants? To
have the feature there must be a way to find a placeholder for the message.

I ask because sometimes moderators would ask about undeleting messages
mistakenly (or maliciously) deleted by another moderator. The typical
scenario is a novice moderator who mistakes the Messages list for a kind of
personal inbox and deletes messages as he/she reads them.

Groups.io is already in better condition than Yahoo Groups in that regard,
having labeled the message archives "Archives". That helps imply that it is
a group resource not a personal one, making the mistake less likely.

If there were to be an undelete capability, I would propose that when a
member deletes their own message then either only that member can undelete
it or no one can - not any moderator or owner in either case. That is
necessary, I think, to preserve the promise that the member has the right to
remove their content. Conversely if a moderator deletes a message only a
moderator (not the posting member) can undelete it. This is necessary to
preserve the right of the group management to control the content of the
group.

On the other, other hand, if undelete is only available to moderators (when
reversing another moderator's deletion) then the Activity log entry for the
deletion event would be an appropriate place for an "Undo" button.

-- Shal


locked Re: Edits, deletions, moderation, oh my!

 

Mark,

Hmm, ok. So should I just get rid of the 'This message has been deleted'
and any message deletion action (from the member or from the moderator)
results in the message completely disappearing?
On the other hand, what about "undelete"? Is that a feature anyone wants? To have the feature there must be a way to find a placeholder for the message.

I ask because sometimes moderators would ask about undeleting messages mistakenly (or maliciously) deleted by another moderator. The typical scenario is a novice moderator who mistakes the Messages list for a kind of personal inbox and deletes messages as he/she reads them.

Groups.io is already in better condition than Yahoo Groups in that regard, having labeled the message archives "Archives". That helps imply that it is a group resource not a personal one, making the mistake less likely.

If there were to be an undelete capability, I would propose that when a member deletes their own message then either only that member can undelete it or no one can - not any moderator or owner in either case. That is necessary, I think, to preserve the promise that the member has the right to remove their content. Conversely if a moderator deletes a message only a moderator (not the posting member) can undelete it. This is necessary to preserve the right of the group management to control the content of the group.

On the other, other hand, if undelete is only available to moderators (when reversing another moderator's deletion) then the Activity log entry for the deletion event would be an appropriate place for an "Undo" button.

-- Shal


locked Re: Edits, deletions, moderation, oh my!

 

Brenda,

If I want the group to be moderated (i.e. members can join, but are
moderated until they make their first post, how do I set it up? I think
I've set ours up wrong.
In the Settings page check the "New Users Moderated" box.

Just as in Yahoo Groups, you have to take the Moderated override off the member manually.

-- Shal


locked deletions

ro-esp
 

Just a thought: would it help to have different messages.like "this message was deleted by author" and "message deleted by moderator"?

Are messages numbered? I mean, if there clearly are no messages between 80762 and 80765 in the archive, that would indicate that the messages in between were deleted.


btw I support the year-mm-dd format over the USA custom


groetjes, Ronaldo


locked Re: A couple of questions

Frances
 

Hi Brenda

I have had the drag photo message too - when I tried to edit using select, drag. 

I especially saw it in the wiki portion. I tested and the same happens when you try to drag to edit in messages on the website.

Frances

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 10, 2015, at 9:04 PM, Feathered Leader <featheredleader@...> wrote:

Mark,


Can I set a default for the message view I want? Both type and ordering?

Also, I tried to reply to a message from Matthew in my group, but I keep getting a corner message that says drag photo here. I don't want to drag a photo, and it won't let me reply. What do I do?


Brenda


locked A couple of questions

Nightowl >8#
 

Mark,


Can I set a default for the message view I want? Both type and ordering?

Also, I tried to reply to a message from Matthew in my group, but I keep getting a corner message that says drag photo here. I don't want to drag a photo, and it won't let me reply. What do I do?


Brenda