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Re: Owner needing approval for posts?
Thanks, that explains it. :) Brenda
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Re: Owner needing approval for posts?
I actually just fixed that. You were set to the "default policy". I switched you to "override-can post". :)
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2015 at 1:37 PM
From: "Feathered Leader" <featheredleader@...> To: beta@groups.io Subject: [beta] Owner needing approval for posts? Hey Mark, I'm set up as approved to post, as co-owner of the group with Tyger, but I'm getting mail telling me I need to approve my posts. However, the posts are appearing fine in the group. Any idea what I'm doing wrong? Thanks, Brenda
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Owner needing approval for posts?
Hey Mark, I'm set up as approved to post, as co-owner of the group with Tyger, but I'm getting mail telling me I need to approve my posts. However, the posts are appearing fine in the group. Any idea what I'm doing wrong? Thanks, Brenda
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To Mark -- Regarding the Blog Post
Mark, I'm assuming you are familiar with the Yahoo Crusade Blog. :) I have created a graphic with the S.S. GROUPS.IO rescue boat speeding away from the sinking Yatanic...do you need to approve it before I post it? Also, I need to know if I can link back to your Blog as well as to this site. Thanks, Brenda
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pictures
#suggestion
Quick questions: When I put a picture in the message body in an email, and send it in, it seems to attach and display with no problems. However, when I use the website, it appears to insert correctly, but it doesn't successfully attach when I hit send. Doesn't come through in my inbox, or show in the Archives. Am I missing something on this option, or is there a known bug here? Also, I noticed when a picture goes through it shows on the main page. When I hover over it, it shows as some kind of link. However, clicking on it doesn't seem to change anything. Wondering what it should do, or if it's still being worked on?
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Re: A couple of questions
Right Shal, I have my browser set to delete cookies at the end of every Internet session, so cookies won't work for me. I prefer a default method.
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Re: Groups.io
You're welcome, Diane. I'm trying to put together a Blog post to put on the Yahoo Crusade Blog also, but it's not finished yet. Meanwhile, everyone spread the word any way you can. Brenda Nightowl >8#
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Re: A couple of questions
Mark, Brenda,
Brenda, you can't currently set a default for message view or ordering.To me it seems more natural if my view choices (including ordering) are simply remembered as I navigate the site and from session to session. That avoids the extra (perceived) complexity of having to go find and change the selection in my Profile or Subscription pages (or wherever they would be). I think Yahoo Classic used to do this by setting one or more non-expiring cookies with the user's view choices. But in these cookie-phobic days that might be better stored as user data in the server. -- Shal
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Sticky Posts
#suggestion
Some groups might like to be able to post certain messages or topics as "sticky" so that they always appear at the top of the list (group etiquette, hot new info, etc.). Since not everyone's need for this would be the same, perhaps when you make a post a sticky, you could specify if it appears at the top of the Thread, Message or Expanded views or all three. Mods and Owners would seem to make sense as the ones who could be assigned this power.
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Groups.io
Mark - this is a mostly pointless message - other than
to see how posting from Thunderbird works for me. So far the messages from the beta group are coming in clean, in order, complete - in other words, exactly what Onelist and EGroups and the original version of Ygroups used to be - and the way, usually, the mail from the group on my own server (uses MailMan) are working (modulo any DMARC issues, where some folks don't get the mail from other folks). Or in other words - *KUDOS*! On lists that I create, I am rarely using the added features (calendars, databases, polls, files, etc.), other than we did like the pictures section when we were using Ygroups. Thank you, Brenda, for pointing us to this project. Diana
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Re: Tracking features/bugs
Shal, On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 1:33 AM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:
The answer to all your excellent questions is, "I don't know." I want to run Groups.io as transparently as possible, in terms of development. Part of that is this group, beta. Part of it is me posting what changes have been made to the site with the #updates tag. But there are a couple pieces missing, so I'm exploring options. For my own sanity I need something to track and prioritize features and bugs to work on. And that should be publicly viewable (and easy to understand for non-developers, which eliminates some bug trackers). I can see as beta gets bigger that a dedicated system for voting on features would be a good idea as well. I've never run a company like that before, so it's uncharted waters for me. So, ya, trying some things and seeing what works. It seems like Trello might work at this stage of things for some of this.
Right. It felt like a more dedicated solution was better in this case. So, anyways, suggestions and feedback are appreciated. Thanks, Mark
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Re: Group transfers feedback so far
Hello all,
Perhaps add a link or command in the footer that reads: Report This Group (which then gives you a list of options to report, ie that you were added by this owner without your permission, being spammed, abusive behvior, etc.). Shenanigans are bound to happen, despite all best efforts. I think if you make it easier for people to undo them, as well as report and prevent, they will be happy enough, and it also shows you the trends in shenanigans, so you can develop around what's actually a problem. You might even consider an auto-suspend option if a group gets numerous complaints reported via that option, and it triggers a review by the io staff. That does rely on you having the people, granted, but if the threshold is hit, perhaps certain summaries of data can be sent to the io admin such as if the reporting email was directly added to the group, is an io member, how long they were in the group, number of posts to the group, etc. Review can be easy with the right data in front of you. It could also rely on a mod of the suspended group triggering an "appeal" feature with a CAPTCHA code. That way, if someone developed a bot of some kind, a human had to be involved to request the review. Just a few thoughts I had while seeing how the verification process discussion was unfolding.
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Re: deletions
Messages are numbered, so it will be clear when one has been deleted. Thanks, Mark
On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 9:56 PM, ro-esp <ro-esp@...> wrote: Just a thought: would it help to have different messages.like "this message was deleted by author" and "message deleted by moderator"?
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Re: A couple of questions
Brenda, Frances, I just pushed a fix for drag and drop of text. You should no longer see the 'drag a photo' message. Brenda, you can't currently set a default for message view or ordering. I'll add that to the todo list for consideration. Thanks, Mark
On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 6:47 PM, Frances <travel@...> wrote:
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Re: Feathered Leader is here :)
David P. Dillard
For a search of
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"NET-GOLD" AND "TEMPLE.EDU" AND "GROUPS.IO" with so called omitted results included Google shows the following although they never let one view most of it: About 4,550 results (0.34 seconds) .. .. Sincerely, David Dillard Temple University (215) 204 - 4584 jwne@temple.edu
On Sat, 10 Jan 2015, Feathered Leader wrote:
Okay Mark,
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Re: Tracking features/bugs
Mark,
I've been looking around for a way to better organize what features and I know Ticket management is not quite the same thing, but it overlaps. Is it too heavyweight a solution? Or are you not ready for User-supplied feedback in that form? Hence what about zendesk's ticket tracker (since you're already using them)? Same question for UserVoice, which I only ask about because I'm reasonably happy with its user experience. The ability of users to post items, comment on items, and vote on items seems like it could give you a "sense of the community" without performing explicit polls or on-list discussion. I don't know either product from the developer side of the fence, so those are naive questions. At work we like Fossil's ticket-tracker. That's really more geared for the development team's use, but it does provide a web UI that one can host and open to the public; with access controls for who can read or modify. Probably more fussy to set up than you want, unless you happen to already like and use Fossil as a DRCS. Here's the Groups.io Beta board: Nice! I guess I'll learn some more about it. I do appreciate being able to see your "to-do" list, and I think that can help keep us up to date without repetitive traffic in the beta list. Will you be the only "Member" of that board, or is this a system that could also be used as a Feedback type of forum? The "elephant in the corner" then is: why not the beta group's wiki page for this purpose? I see you started down that path, but I imagine that a tool like Trello, already honed for this purpose, proved to be more facile. -- Shal
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Re: Edits, deletions, moderation, oh my!
Judy F.
Shal, I like that idea. One vote from me.
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Judy F. SW Florida - USA
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From: Shal Farley [mailto:shal@roadrunner.com] Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2015 3:38 AM To: beta@groups.io Subject: Re: [beta] Edits, deletions, moderation, oh my! Mark, Hmm, ok. So should I just get rid of the 'This message has been deleted'On the other hand, what about "undelete"? Is that a feature anyone wants? To have the feature there must be a way to find a placeholder for the message. I ask because sometimes moderators would ask about undeleting messages mistakenly (or maliciously) deleted by another moderator. The typical scenario is a novice moderator who mistakes the Messages list for a kind of personal inbox and deletes messages as he/she reads them. Groups.io is already in better condition than Yahoo Groups in that regard, having labeled the message archives "Archives". That helps imply that it is a group resource not a personal one, making the mistake less likely. If there were to be an undelete capability, I would propose that when a member deletes their own message then either only that member can undelete it or no one can - not any moderator or owner in either case. That is necessary, I think, to preserve the promise that the member has the right to remove their content. Conversely if a moderator deletes a message only a moderator (not the posting member) can undelete it. This is necessary to preserve the right of the group management to control the content of the group. On the other, other hand, if undelete is only available to moderators (when reversing another moderator's deletion) then the Activity log entry for the deletion event would be an appropriate place for an "Undo" button. -- Shal
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Re: Edits, deletions, moderation, oh my!
Mark,
Hmm, ok. So should I just get rid of the 'This message has been deleted'On the other hand, what about "undelete"? Is that a feature anyone wants? To have the feature there must be a way to find a placeholder for the message. I ask because sometimes moderators would ask about undeleting messages mistakenly (or maliciously) deleted by another moderator. The typical scenario is a novice moderator who mistakes the Messages list for a kind of personal inbox and deletes messages as he/she reads them. Groups.io is already in better condition than Yahoo Groups in that regard, having labeled the message archives "Archives". That helps imply that it is a group resource not a personal one, making the mistake less likely. If there were to be an undelete capability, I would propose that when a member deletes their own message then either only that member can undelete it or no one can - not any moderator or owner in either case. That is necessary, I think, to preserve the promise that the member has the right to remove their content. Conversely if a moderator deletes a message only a moderator (not the posting member) can undelete it. This is necessary to preserve the right of the group management to control the content of the group. On the other, other hand, if undelete is only available to moderators (when reversing another moderator's deletion) then the Activity log entry for the deletion event would be an appropriate place for an "Undo" button. -- Shal
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Re: Edits, deletions, moderation, oh my!
Brenda,
If I want the group to be moderated (i.e. members can join, but areIn the Settings page check the "New Users Moderated" box. Just as in Yahoo Groups, you have to take the Moderated override off the member manually. -- Shal
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deletions
ro-esp
Just a thought: would it help to have different messages.like "this message was deleted by author" and "message deleted by moderator"?
Are messages numbered? I mean, if there clearly are no messages between 80762 and 80765 in the archive, that would indicate that the messages in between were deleted. btw I support the year-mm-dd format over the USA custom groetjes, Ronaldo
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