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locked Feathered Leader is here :)

Nightowl >8#
 

Mark,

Is it okay if I post about this in Mods and Members yet? If not, can I at least invite several more tech savvy people to join the test group Tyger just made? I'm not good enough in all of this to assess whether this group format works for the rest of us, but it meets all of my basic needs so far.

One question,  though. I like to read all of my messages in chronological order by number, and I'm thrilled you have message numbers, those are my two basic needs. But can I somehow flip it so I can read from 1-down instead of reading upwards? And I tried to go to message # 1 and just read all 500 but I can't seem to get that to work.

Thanks!

Brenda
Nightowl >8#





locked Empty messages

 

I accidentally sent an empty message to my group. Perhaps there should be a warning in the interface if you try to do this?


locked Re: Edits, deletions, moderation, oh my!

 

Mark,

Should I allow moderators to completely nuke a message so that it's like
it never happened?
In Yahoo Groups a deleted message leaves behind a gap in the message number sequence. The permalink becomes a page that says "The item you are looking for is not available" but otherwise has the normal chrome of the group's Conversations section.

I think that's appropriate. Can't erase the gap without messing up all subsequent permalinks, and it doesn't seem like a good idea to have it resolve to a generic 404 error. But it should disappear from the messages lists, without a way to navigate to it other than through the permalink.

I've read occasional complaints that the conversation search would still turn up a match on the deleted message and display an excerpt of its content in the search results list. That upsets people quite a bit.

-- Shal


locked Re: Edits, deletions, moderation, oh my!

Judy F.
 

I agree with your proposal of doing away with the message period, no ‘this message has been deleted’.  It just takes up space and if we delete it, to me, that means it’s gone. 

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 6:18 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Edits, deletions, moderation, oh my!

 

Hmm, ok. So should I just get rid of the 'This message has been deleted' and any message deletion action (from the member or from the moderator) results in the message completely disappearing?

 

Thanks,

Mark

 

On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Linda Star-Freedman <donlin2@...> wrote:

Hi Mark,  Neat freaks (moi) would prefer for the deleted message to be gone.  No need for: 'This message has been deleted.'  Thanks, Linda

 

 

Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 5:54 PM

Subject: Re: [beta] Edits, deletions, moderation, oh my!

 

Hi All,

 

I had hoped to have the first version of this completed by today, but I ended up having to make a lot of changes to the code and it's not quite ready yet. For this version:

 

- Members can edit their messages, and if they are moderated (or the group is moderated), their changes will have to be approved by the moderator.

- Members can delete their messages without approval needed. Deleted messages are replaced with 'This message has been deleted'. 

- Moderators with the correct privileges can do all of this as well.

- Edits to messages are kept and are viewable/diffable, just like wiki pages.

 

One question for you all. Right now there is no way to make a message completely disappear. If a message is deleted, it's replaced with 'This message has been deleted.'. Should I allow moderators to completely nuke a message so that it's like it never happened?

 

Thanks,

Mark

 

 


locked Re: Edits, deletions, moderation, oh my!

Judy F.
 

Thanks Mark for all you are doing on this.

 

Regarding deleting messages, I think owners/moderators should be able to delete messages.  In the buying/selling group that I work with, the ads are kept for several years and then need to be deleted. 

 

Thanks,

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 5:55 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Edits, deletions, moderation, oh my!

 

Hi All,

 

I had hoped to have the first version of this completed by today, but I ended up having to make a lot of changes to the code and it's not quite ready yet. For this version:

 

- Members can edit their messages, and if they are moderated (or the group is moderated), their changes will have to be approved by the moderator.

- Members can delete their messages without approval needed. Deleted messages are replaced with 'This message has been deleted'. 

- Moderators with the correct privileges can do all of this as well.

- Edits to messages are kept and are viewable/diffable, just like wiki pages.

 

One question for you all. Right now there is no way to make a message completely disappear. If a message is deleted, it's replaced with 'This message has been deleted.'. Should I allow moderators to completely nuke a message so that it's like it never happened?

 

Thanks,

Mark

 


locked Tracking features/bugs

 

All,

I've been looking around for a way to better organize what features and bugs I'm working on/tracking. Up till now, I've been using a todo list, which isn't great, for many reasons.

I'm experimenting with Trello. Trello lets you create boards, on those boards are lists of items. Each item can be added to over time. It's one of those things that makes more sense if you see it. Anyways, one of the features is that I can make the board public, so everyone here can see what's on the to-do and bug list. Here's the Groups.io Beta board:


I have just started populating it (my todo list is a couple pages long). Anyways, let me know if you think this is useful. There may be ways to do a Trello integration with Groups.io. (For the record, I have no association with Trello, I just found out about them).

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Edits, deletions, moderation, oh my!

Frances
 

Hi

And I, on the other hand, am not worried about the message. This would probably not happen very often. 

If a message is deleted, are the members notified? 
A scenario: a message is deleted, and nothing goes to the group members, no message is put in the website showing a message was deleted. Now someone wants to follow up on that message from so-and-so, so they go to the website to find it. If there was a message about deletion, their search would be over. Having a bit of a trail is not such a bad thing!

Frances


On Jan 9 15, at 6:06 PM, Linda Star-Freedman <donlin2@...> wrote:

Hi Mark,  Neat freaks (moi) would prefer for the deleted message to be gone.  No need for: 'This message has been deleted.'  Thanks, Linda
 

Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Edits, deletions, moderation, oh my!

Hi All,

I had hoped to have the first version of this completed by today, but I ended up having to make a lot of changes to the code and it's not quite ready yet. For this version:

- Members can edit their messages, and if they are moderated (or the group is moderated), their changes will have to be approved by the moderator.
- Members can delete their messages without approval needed. Deleted messages are replaced with 'This message has been deleted'. 
- Moderators with the correct privileges can do all of this as well.
- Edits to messages are kept and are viewable/diffable, just like wiki pages.

One question for you all. Right now there is no way to make a message completely disappear. If a message is deleted, it's replaced with 'This message has been deleted.'. Should I allow moderators to completely nuke a message so that it's like it never happened?

Thanks,
Mark



locked Re: Edits, deletions, moderation, oh my!

 

Hmm, ok. So should I just get rid of the 'This message has been deleted' and any message deletion action (from the member or from the moderator) results in the message completely disappearing?

Thanks,
Mark

On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Linda Star-Freedman <donlin2@...> wrote:
Hi Mark,  Neat freaks (moi) would prefer for the deleted message to be gone.  No need for: 'This message has been deleted.'  Thanks, Linda
 

Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Edits, deletions, moderation, oh my!

Hi All,

I had hoped to have the first version of this completed by today, but I ended up having to make a lot of changes to the code and it's not quite ready yet. For this version:

- Members can edit their messages, and if they are moderated (or the group is moderated), their changes will have to be approved by the moderator.
- Members can delete their messages without approval needed. Deleted messages are replaced with 'This message has been deleted'. 
- Moderators with the correct privileges can do all of this as well.
- Edits to messages are kept and are viewable/diffable, just like wiki pages.

One question for you all. Right now there is no way to make a message completely disappear. If a message is deleted, it's replaced with 'This message has been deleted.'. Should I allow moderators to completely nuke a message so that it's like it never happened?

Thanks,
Mark



locked Re: Edits, deletions, moderation, oh my!

Linda
 

Hi Mark,  Neat freaks (moi) would prefer for the deleted message to be gone.  No need for: 'This message has been deleted.'  Thanks, Linda
 

Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Edits, deletions, moderation, oh my!

Hi All,

I had hoped to have the first version of this completed by today, but I ended up having to make a lot of changes to the code and it's not quite ready yet. For this version:

- Members can edit their messages, and if they are moderated (or the group is moderated), their changes will have to be approved by the moderator.
- Members can delete their messages without approval needed. Deleted messages are replaced with 'This message has been deleted'. 
- Moderators with the correct privileges can do all of this as well.
- Edits to messages are kept and are viewable/diffable, just like wiki pages.

One question for you all. Right now there is no way to make a message completely disappear. If a message is deleted, it's replaced with 'This message has been deleted.'. Should I allow moderators to completely nuke a message so that it's like it never happened?

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Edits, deletions, moderation, oh my!

 

Hi All,

I had hoped to have the first version of this completed by today, but I ended up having to make a lot of changes to the code and it's not quite ready yet. For this version:

- Members can edit their messages, and if they are moderated (or the group is moderated), their changes will have to be approved by the moderator.
- Members can delete their messages without approval needed. Deleted messages are replaced with 'This message has been deleted'. 
- Moderators with the correct privileges can do all of this as well.
- Edits to messages are kept and are viewable/diffable, just like wiki pages.

One question for you all. Right now there is no way to make a message completely disappear. If a message is deleted, it's replaced with 'This message has been deleted.'. Should I allow moderators to completely nuke a message so that it's like it never happened?

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Dates on Groups.io

Laurence Taylor
 

On 07 Jan 2015 18:12, Frances wrote:
Hi everyone,

As a Canadian, I have to remember the date order that Americans use.
Here, some of us tend to use day, month, year. You tend to use month,
day, year.

I wonder whether anyone else would like year, month, day?
Excellent idea. The US format can be very confusing for dates less than
13! Y-M-D is completely unambiguous.



--
rgds
LAurence
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locked Re: Dates on Groups.io

Linda
 

Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Dates on Groups.io

It's easy enough to make this a user preference option.. Anyone have a good example of a web site that lets users set this preference (ie. which set of date formats should there be)?

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Dates on Groups.io

 

It's easy enough to make this a user preference option.. Anyone have a good example of a web site that lets users set this preference (ie. which set of date formats should there be)?

Thanks,
Mark

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Jim Fisher <ejf@...> wrote:
I am strongly of the opinion that, if possible, it should be selectable by each
user. I always use day-month-year. If it must be fixed to a single format, then
year-month-day is the most logical because it is easily sortable, but few
people normally use that format.

Jim Fisher

On 7 Jan 2015 at 19:40, J. Faulkner wrote:

> Not me.  I am a Month, Day, Year person.  If it is possible to choose the
> format, then I say OK, but not have a firm year/Month/Day.  Nope.
>
> Judy F.,
> SW Florida - USA
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shal Farley [mailto:shal@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 2:26 PM
> To: beta@groups.io
> Subject: Re: [beta] Dates on Groups.io
>
> Frances,
>
>  > As a Canadian, I have to remember the date order that Americans use.
>  > Here, some of us tend to use day, month, year. You tend to use month,  > day,
>  year. > > I wonder whether anyone else would like year, month, day? >
>  2015-01-07
>
> My favorite take on the subject agrees with your proposal:
> http://xkcd.com/1179/
>
> -- Shal

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locked Re: Dates on Groups.io

 

I am strongly of the opinion that, if possible, it should be selectable by each
user. I always use day-month-year. If it must be fixed to a single format, then
year-month-day is the most logical because it is easily sortable, but few
people normally use that format.

Jim Fisher

On 7 Jan 2015 at 19:40, J. Faulkner wrote:

Not me. I am a Month, Day, Year person. If it is possible to choose the
format, then I say OK, but not have a firm year/Month/Day. Nope.

Judy F.,
SW Florida - USA


-----Original Message-----
From: Shal Farley [mailto:shal@roadrunner.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 2:26 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Dates on Groups.io

Frances,

> As a Canadian, I have to remember the date order that Americans use.
> Here, some of us tend to use day, month, year. You tend to use month, > day,
year. > > I wonder whether anyone else would like year, month, day? >
2015-01-07

My favorite take on the subject agrees with your proposal:
http://xkcd.com/1179/

-- Shal
--
http://www.jimella.me.uk - my personal web site covering many subjects
http://jimellame.tumblr.com - My thoughts on freedom
http://jimella.wordpress.com - political snippets, especially economic policy
http://jimella.livejournal.com - misc. snippets, some political, some not
Forget Google! I search with https://duckduckgo.com which doesn't spy on you


locked Re: Dates on Groups.io

Judy F.
 

I think there will be a lot of unhappy people if this is put into effect and not have the option to change it to the normal standard for those of us that prefer the normal mm/dd/yy/ or mm-dd-yy.

Thanks Shal.

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Shal Farley [mailto:shal@roadrunner.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 9:45 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Dates on Groups.io

Judy,

> If it is possible to choose the format, then I say OK, but not have a > firm year/Month/Day.

The proposal would be YYYY-MM-DD (hyphens not slashes, two-digit months and days). That is, 2015-01-07 not 2015/1/7.

Writing code in the '70s I learned to use YYMMDD (no punctuation), because it sorts properly as either a number or as text. But then Y2K came along... ;-)

-- Shal


locked Re: Dates on Groups.io

 

Judy,

If it is possible to choose the format, then I say OK, but not have a
firm year/Month/Day.
The proposal would be YYYY-MM-DD (hyphens not slashes, two-digit months and days). That is, 2015-01-07 not 2015/1/7.

Writing code in the '70s I learned to use YYMMDD (no punctuation), because it sorts properly as either a number or as text. But then Y2K came along... ;-)

-- Shal


locked Re: Dates on Groups.io

Judy F.
 

Not me. I am a Month, Day, Year person. If it is possible to choose the format, then I say OK, but not have a firm year/Month/Day. Nope.

Judy F.,
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Shal Farley [mailto:shal@roadrunner.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 2:26 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Dates on Groups.io

Frances,

> As a Canadian, I have to remember the date order that Americans use.
> Here, some of us tend to use day, month, year. You tend to use month, > day, year.
>
> I wonder whether anyone else would like year, month, day?
> 2015-01-07

My favorite take on the subject agrees with your proposal:
http://xkcd.com/1179/

-- Shal


locked Re: Group transfers feedback so far

Linda
 

Hi Frances,
I would guess that the default mail delivery setting for transferees will be Individual messages. 
 
I'm sure the email notification of transfer will contain a link to the group, which will lead to a login page, where new members of Groups.io will be encouraged to setup a password for the complete Groups.io experience and to change their group subscription settings. 
 
The notification email should suggest Saving the email because it will also have info on the email address of the group (for posting messages) and the group owner email address. 
 
Linda


locked Re: Dates on Groups.io

 

Frances,

As a Canadian, I have to remember the date order that Americans use.
Here, some of us tend to use day, month, year. You tend to use month,
day, year.

I wonder whether anyone else would like year, month, day?
2015-01-07
My favorite take on the subject agrees with your proposal:
http://xkcd.com/1179/

-- Shal


locked Dates on Groups.io

Frances
 

Hi everyone,

As a Canadian, I have to remember the date order that Americans use. Here, some of us tend to use day, month, year. You tend to use month, day, year.

I wonder whether anyone else would like year, month, day? 2015-01-07
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_format_by_country

Then I won’t have to look to see the position of the number bigger 12 to figure out style used!

Frances