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locked Re: ANOTHER DISASTER - a member reset another member's password

kr402
 

Jeez!! 

I am sorry that happened, but is it worth fighting over.
Life is to short to make a fuss over the little things.
What is the worse thing, you choose a new password and move on. 

In trying to help my transferred member figure out how to reset (or actually, create) a password, someone in my group posted a link to her OWN "reset password" link that she received in the transfer email. She warned people not to click on it since it might reset HER password.  Nobody thought that could actually happen, but unfortunately, it did: someone else clicked on the link and inadvertently re-set the other member's password.

I am now in an offlist pow-wow with the two of them, trying to figure out how to rectify the situation.


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locked ANOTHER DISASTER - a member reset another member's password

 

In trying to help my transferred member figure out how to reset (or actually, create) a password, someone in my group posted a link to her OWN "reset password" link that she received in the transfer email. She warned people not to click on it since it might reset HER password.  Nobody thought that could actually happen, but unfortunately, it did: someone else clicked on the link and inadvertently re-set the other member's password.

I am now in an offlist pow-wow with the two of them, trying to figure out how to rectify the situation.

Mark, the group is Feline_Smallcell_Lymphoma in case you want to have a look. But basically, it was just the rest password link that came with the transfer email. It contained the member's email address within the link.

J


locked Re: removing "new members moderated" setting doesn't remove "NuM" badge #bug

 

On 1/16/2016 4:29 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
To achieve the effect you're after I would recommend:

Moderated: unchecked
New Users Moderated: checked
Unmoderate After: Not enabled

This way members start off moderated, and it takes your explicit individual action to unmoderate them.

If you "unmoderate" them by selecting "Default Group Policy" (instead of the override) then you retain the ability to put a stop to a flame war or any other form of disruption in the group by simply checking the Moderated box. After things calm down you can restore the group to the normal condition by taking the check mark back off.
I agree - with the caveat that this is the group that I am
"head moderator" for - Yahoo won't make me an owner, so there
are some levels of granularity I can't do.

And - thanks to Neo making things annoying - the group is almost
dead. Unfortunately, given the name (CatVet), people who can't
afford to drop in to a vet will search for it and find it.

I can't delete it, can't close it - just hope that if someone
with a truly ill cat can get the "go to a vet NOW" message.

8-)

dg


locked Re: after transfer, member having trouble creating password

Frances
 
Edited

I just looked at where the link in the welcome notice would bring a transferred member and I am not sure whether he or she would go next to see the site -  would be "join group" - top left or Sign Up (top right) or perhaps 
"Forgot your password or don't have a password?"  That brings you to Password Reset. 
Probably this last?
If the user prefers to use Facebook or Google, would that work?

I have just edited the welcome notice And I would like to add specific info for transferees. Thanks!





locked Re: Group Moderation idea

 

On 1/16/2016 4:19 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
And in any case, I'd like the To, From, and Subject to be shown while composing the message, more like the other message composition windows. This pop-out window seems a bit idiosyncratic.
YES! That's another annoyance with Neo - it defaults wrong
and you have to expand things to make it do what you really
want to have as the most reasonable default. Otherwise I'd
just reject from the moderation notice I get in my email.

Agree with all the rest, too.

dg


locked Re: DISASTER!!!

Ro
 

My own experience with files on Yahoo:  you can upload and edit your own files.  You cant edit or delete files uploaded by someone else unless you are a moderator.  Probably there are over rides somewhere for this, but most groups I am in , this is how it works. 


Ro

with Sally and Silk over riding the controls on the Temptations bag and Handy, Feliz &  Police Kitty patrolling in the Great Beyond, and editing and deleting like mad





Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 19:23:38 -0800
Subject: Re: [beta] DISASTER!!!
From: j.olivia.catlady@...
To: beta@groups.io

I just don't know any more. Yahoo is finally beginning to fade into the distant past for me LOL. 

On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 7:22 PM, Feathered Leader <featheredleader@...> wrote:
J_catlady wrote:>>Why not just set the group to "subscribers can view, moderators can upload" files in the interim? This is all that Yahoo currently allows anyway.<<

I tested this out to be sure. Yahoo does allow members to view and edit, if that choice was chosen by the owner, which I had chosen on MM. However, when I tried to do it, it wouldn't let me as a member.

That's probably just messed up Neo, but I wanted to test it to be sure.

Interesting...

Brenda






locked Re: DISASTER!!!

 

I just don't know any more. Yahoo is finally beginning to fade into the distant past for me LOL. 

On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 7:22 PM, Feathered Leader <featheredleader@...> wrote:
J_catlady wrote:>>Why not just set the group to "subscribers can view, moderators can upload" files in the interim? This is all that Yahoo currently allows anyway.<<

I tested this out to be sure. Yahoo does allow members to view and edit, if that choice was chosen by the owner, which I had chosen on MM. However, when I tried to do it, it wouldn't let me as a member.

That's probably just messed up Neo, but I wanted to test it to be sure.

Interesting...

Brenda






locked Re: DISASTER!!!

Nightowl >8#
 

J_catlady wrote:>>Why not just set the group to "subscribers can view, moderators can upload" files in the interim? This is all that Yahoo currently allows anyway.<<

I tested this out to be sure. Yahoo does allow members to view and edit, if that choice was chosen by the owner, which I had chosen on MM. However, when I tried to do it, it wouldn't let me as a member.

That's probably just messed up Neo, but I wanted to test it to be sure.

Interesting...

Brenda


locked after transfer, member having trouble creating password

 

I just got this from a member (transferee from my Yahoo group). I don't know what the best thing to tell her to do is. She says she sees no obvious place to create a password on Groups.io and didn't see one in the welcome message, either. I anticipate getting a slew of these. What's the best advice for these people? I was about to tell her to click on "find a group" and then search on my group, but I think that will just tell her she's already in the group and not provide an obvious create-password link. (I can't try it myself because I'm logged in from everywhere now and would have trouble creating a fake non-logged-in address.) Thanks.

J

"Hi, Sorry, I'm lost already . . . I'm just trying to get started using the Groups.io site instead of the old Yahoo site,  For people such as myself who are not yet groups.io members, are we supposed to go to the main groups.io site, not the feline... site?  I looked for a "create password" spot you mentioned in your Welcome e-mail and I don't see one at either site, but maybe I didn't go down the right path? Can you give the steps for doing the password creating wherever it needs to be done?  1.  Go to xxx URL.  2.  Click xxx? . . "



locked Re: DISASTER!!!

weebeequilting <weebee.1@...>
 

Mark,

Thank you so much for responding so quickly to this request.  I'm sure it was a lot of work for you and just know it is very much appreciated.  I feel less vulnerable now.  I am so impressed with how quickly you respond to requests for enhancements and changes.  It is so refreshing after dealing with Yahoo for so many years.  Thank you again for making this very helpful change.

 

Janice Bahrt

New Statler Siblings Group

A group of Long Arm Quilters using Computer Assisted Machines (robotics)


locked User Status = 4 in my Members list export #bug

Shal Farley
 

Mark,

In an export of my PTA group all of the members have User Status equal to either 1 or 4. But the column header says:

User Status(0=Not Confirmed,1=Confirmed,2=Bouncing,3=Bounced)
I'm guessing those marked 4 are actually "Bounced", and something new got put into the enumeration but not the header text.

-- Shal


locked Re: removing "new members moderated" setting doesn't remove "NuM" badge #bug

 

dg,

Have had issues with both the freecycle group and catvet.

I prefer to keep the group default at moderated - and
unmoderate individually.
As I've mentioned before, I abhor the "Override: Unmoderated" setting for members' Posting Privileges - if this is what you meant for most users.

To achieve the effect you're after I would recommend:

Moderated: unchecked
New Users Moderated: checked
Unmoderate After: Not enabled

This way members start off moderated, and it takes your explicit individual action to unmoderate them.

If you "unmoderate" them by selecting "Default Group Policy" (instead of the override) then you retain the ability to put a stop to a flame war or any other form of disruption in the group by simply checking the Moderated box. After things calm down you can restore the group to the normal condition by taking the check mark back off.

-- Shal


locked Re: DISASTER!!!

 

LOL. I second that. :-)

On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 4:39 PM, Ro <recarlton@...> wrote:
Thank you for propagating....


Ro




Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 15:18:32 -0800
Subject: Re: [beta] DISASTER!!!
From: markf@corp.groups.io
To: beta@groups.io

Hi All,

I've made the following changes to the Files permissions system, and will propagate similar permissions throughout the other parts of the site on Monday.

- Members can only edit/delete their own files or directories.
- Moderators can edit/delete everything.
- If a member tries to delete a folder (that they created), only the contents that they have permission to delete are deleted. So if a folder contains a file uploaded from someone else, the folder is not deleted (because it contains that file).
- No changes to the Group settings, which control who can add files/folders.

There was a bug in the file search, where if you search for a file, the edit/delete icons would show up regardless of how the group settings were set. That's also been fixed.

I apologize for what happened to Janice's group. I would like to know what the member thought they were doing when they went through all the files and deleted them. In any event, that cannot happen again.

Thanks,
Mark

On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 2:00 PM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
My non-mod members have no editing tools appear with files. Did you check your setting, and are you sure it's "subscribers can view, moderators can upload"? Are you sure the member you're testing with is not a moderator? I think this feature is working and something is set wrong on your end. 




locked Re: DISASTER!!!

Ro
 

Thank you for propagating....


Ro




Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 15:18:32 -0800
Subject: Re: [beta] DISASTER!!!
From: markf@corp.groups.io
To: beta@groups.io

Hi All,

I've made the following changes to the Files permissions system, and will propagate similar permissions throughout the other parts of the site on Monday.

- Members can only edit/delete their own files or directories.
- Moderators can edit/delete everything.
- If a member tries to delete a folder (that they created), only the contents that they have permission to delete are deleted. So if a folder contains a file uploaded from someone else, the folder is not deleted (because it contains that file).
- No changes to the Group settings, which control who can add files/folders.

There was a bug in the file search, where if you search for a file, the edit/delete icons would show up regardless of how the group settings were set. That's also been fixed.

I apologize for what happened to Janice's group. I would like to know what the member thought they were doing when they went through all the files and deleted them. In any event, that cannot happen again.

Thanks,
Mark

On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 2:00 PM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
My non-mod members have no editing tools appear with files. Did you check your setting, and are you sure it's "subscribers can view, moderators can upload"? Are you sure the member you're testing with is not a moderator? I think this feature is working and something is set wrong on your end. 



locked Re: Group Moderation idea

 

Duane,

I just checked and when you reject a post, it comes from "noreply", aka
bit bucket. I agree that coming from "owner", in case the poster needs
information or clarification, would make sense.
And in any case, I'd like the To, From, and Subject to be shown while composing the message, more like the other message composition windows. This pop-out window seems a bit idiosyncratic.

Mark recently added the capability to send a Bcc to "Me" or "All
Moderators", so that part is covered.
Likewise on "Send Message" from the members list please.

The "Copy me on the message" checkbox is ambiguous, given that From can be either me or the +owner address. As it happens, it really does mean me regardless of the From selection.

-- Shal


locked Re: DISASTER!!!

 

(Am seeing Mark's reply late. Glad it's been taken care of!)


locked Re: DISASTER!!!

 

I totally agree. But Yahoo does not have (or did not have - I think of Yahoo in the past now;) this option either . My understanding is that Mark is working on adding it. In the meantime, the only option to prevent members from wreaking havoc is to use "subscribers can view, moderators can upload."

On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 3:17 PM, weebeequilting <weebee.1@...> wrote:

I need my members to be able to upload and view.  It appears that allowing them to to do both automatically gives them the editing tools so they can delete.  We share many documents with helpful tips and patterns.  If members cannot upload, the Files section would be less useful to us.  I think Mark can (should) change the settings to prevent further disasters.  Imagine what damage an irate member could cause if they were having a dispute with the moderator/owner.  Any group that has the same settings I have--members can view and upload--is at risk.  The same applies to Photos.


Janice B

AZ



locked Re: DISASTER!!!

 

Hi All,

I've made the following changes to the Files permissions system, and will propagate similar permissions throughout the other parts of the site on Monday.

- Members can only edit/delete their own files or directories.
- Moderators can edit/delete everything.
- If a member tries to delete a folder (that they created), only the contents that they have permission to delete are deleted. So if a folder contains a file uploaded from someone else, the folder is not deleted (because it contains that file).
- No changes to the Group settings, which control who can add files/folders.

There was a bug in the file search, where if you search for a file, the edit/delete icons would show up regardless of how the group settings were set. That's also been fixed.

I apologize for what happened to Janice's group. I would like to know what the member thought they were doing when they went through all the files and deleted them. In any event, that cannot happen again.

Thanks,
Mark

On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 2:00 PM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
My non-mod members have no editing tools appear with files. Did you check your setting, and are you sure it's "subscribers can view, moderators can upload"? Are you sure the member you're testing with is not a moderator? I think this feature is working and something is set wrong on your end. 



locked Re: DISASTER!!!

weebeequilting <weebee.1@...>
 

I need my members to be able to upload and view.  It appears that allowing them to to do both automatically gives them the editing tools so they can delete.  We share many documents with helpful tips and patterns.  If members cannot upload, the Files section would be less useful to us.  I think Mark can (should) change the settings to prevent further disasters.  Imagine what damage an irate member could cause if they were having a dispute with the moderator/owner.  Any group that has the same settings I have--members can view and upload--is at risk.  The same applies to Photos.


Janice B

AZ


locked Re: Group Moderation idea

Duane
 

I just checked and when you reject a post, it comes from "noreply", aka bit bucket. I agree that coming from "owner", in case the poster needs information or clarification, would make sense. Mark recently added the capability to send a Bcc to "Me" or "All Moderators", so that part is covered.

Duane