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locked Re: Group Moderation idea

Duane
 

I just checked and when you reject a post, it comes from "noreply", aka bit bucket. I agree that coming from "owner", in case the poster needs information or clarification, would make sense. Mark recently added the capability to send a Bcc to "Me" or "All Moderators", so that part is covered.

Duane


locked Re: DISASTER!!!

 

My non-mod members have no editing tools appear with files. Did you check your setting, and are you sure it's "subscribers can view, moderators can upload"? Are you sure the member you're testing with is not a moderator? I think this feature is working and something is set wrong on your end. 


locked Re: DISASTER!!!

 

Janice,

This morning I found that all my files were missing. I contacted Mark.
He investigated and found that a member of my group had deleted several
files days ago and went in and deleted everything else today! They
cannot be recovered.
Yikes!

I agree, even the "Subscribers can view and upload" setting ought to limit members to editing or deleting their own uploads. Only moderators should have the power to alter or delete other members' content.

That rule should apply uniformly to content in all areas, not just messages. Maybe Wiki pages are a special case, but they already need more comprehensive per-page access settings, IMO.

This is exactly why I asked to have settings available so that members
could only edit or delete files and/or photos they uploaded.
Agreed, except that it shouldn't require a separate setting - it should just be the rule.

-- Shal


locked Cannot delete groups accessibly

christopher hallsworth <challsworth2@...>
 

Hi all

Using a screen reader, it is no longer possible to delete a group in an accessible manner. In the past, we could access a dialogue in which we can type "I Understand" and go ahead with the deletion. Now we can't. It's as if it doesn't even exist. So what has changed? In the meantime, please fix at your earliest convenience so we screen reader users can delete groups independently. Thank you.


locked Re: removing "new members moderated" setting doesn't remove "NuM" badge #bug

 

On 1/15/2016 8:48 PM, Feathered Leader wrote:
Some lurkers lurk specifically for trouble, and if they knew of an automatic un-moderate,feature they could join and sit in wait and cause problems for the group. Same with spammers, they could do the same thing.
Agreed with all you said.

Have had issues with both the freecycle group and catvet.

I prefer to keep the group default at moderated - and
unmoderate individually.

Traffic has been so slow in both groups that even with
moderation it hasn't taken much time.

dg


locked Group Moderation idea

 

Mark - this may be already in place - but if not...

Yahoogroups allows responses to be sent to moderated
posts - like reject with reply.

One of the annoying things is that the default is just
to the poster, and from *me* (diana@c&me - not even my
Yahoo ID).

If I am rejecting a post, my preference for the default
would be to be *from* the -owner, and *to* the poster
and the -owner address (so other mods can see what I
have sent).

I don't know if everyone would want this - so making it
the default or a group setting?

Thanks!

Diana


locked Re: Group Settings Contradiction

 

On 1/15/2016 8:03 PM, Feathered Leader wrote:

Being the leader of the Crusade group and the point of Hollow Tree, I'm the most frequent poster in both, and I do everything online. I can imagine it being easier for some people to un-moderate ones's posts through e-mail, but I don't know how, or want to. the point to me, of a group, back when we started, was to have a group with a group site, and an interface...not a mailing list.;)
You're like Gesine (Hi, Gesine!).

I don't do moderating activity by email - not enough
commands for that - but I find it annoying to try to
compose an email via web interface (and since Neo it's
been beyond annoying), but everything else is with email,
unless I specifically want to use the -owner address when
sending a response. (and having the default on the web
be me instead of -owner is just another nit)(hmmm).

Will post that idea under it's own topic.

dg


locked Re: Group Settings Contradiction

 

On 1/15/2016 11:55 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
On the other hand, the history of such compromises (at least within Yahoo Mail and Yahoo Groups) has been that the crooks tend to take no interest in your groups or other memberships. Not even bank accounts. Mostly it seems what they've been after is to be able to send spam in your name.
That's all I've ever seen.

I think most folks have a different email address and Yahoo ID, so they
can't do anything to the group because all this is is the email - not
the actual ID that has the privs.

dg


locked Re: DISASTER!!!

weebeequilting <weebee.1@...>
 

Yes, I just logged into my group with my regular member (not moderator) account and when I accessed the few files I have begun to add back, all the editing tools were there including delete.


Janice B

AZ


locked Re: DISASTER!!!

weebeequilting <weebee.1@...>
 

That is my current setting.  I believe it means if a member can view they can also edit and delete.


Janice


locked Re: DISASTER!!!

Duane
 

I just verified that "Subscribers can view, moderators can upload" prevents members from editing or deleting. That could prevent a lot of work until there's a better option.

Duane


locked Re: DISASTER!!!

 

I agree that there should be a setting where regular members can upload files but can only delete files they themselves uploaded.

One other thing to consider: Maybe for normal file deletions, move the file into a state where it can't be seen, but it's really deleted from the system two weeks later. That could prevent "accidents."

JohnF


locked Re: DISASTER!!!

Duane
 

Which setting do you have for Files on the Settings page? Would a different one,at least temporarily, have prevented this? Would "Subscribers can view, moderators can upload" have worked? I know how much work it is to get files moved, especially if there are a bunch of them, so you have my condolences. This is one reason that I keep a copy of everything on my groups (photos and files, with descriptions) on my local hard drive. No disaster yet, but "easier" to recover if it happens.

Duane


locked Re: DISASTER!!!

 

Why not just set the group to "subscribers can view, moderators can upload" files in the interim? This is all that Yahoo currently allows anyway.

On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 12:15 PM, weebeequilting <weebee.1@...> wrote:

This morning I found that all my files were missing.  I contacted Mark.  He investigated and found that a member of my group had deleted several files days ago and went in and deleted everything else today!  They cannot be recovered.  This is exactly why I asked to have settings available so that members could only edit or delete files and/or photos they uploaded.  I am the only one who uploaded any file because they were the files I transferred from Yahoo.  So now, I have to go back to the Yahoo Group and download all those files once again and then upload them to my new group.  I am so frustrated.  After I go through all this trouble, right now there is no guarantee that it won't happen again.  I have deleted that member from my group.  I have to think they did it by accident but I don't want another accident to happen.  There are 2800 members in my group and that is a lot of potential accidents!  Mark--please make that change to the available settings for members!


Janice B

AZ



locked Re: DISASTER!!!

Trish McDonald
 

I use google docs for my group files and then just link to them in the wiki. This way I maintain control over files and nothing gets lost. Also handy if I ever decide to switch to a different groups service, my file links can just be copied en masse and carried over to the new groups service.

Trish


On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 3:15 PM, weebeequilting <weebee.1@...> wrote:

This morning I found that all my files were missing.  I contacted Mark.  He investigated and found that a member of my group had deleted several files days ago and went in and deleted everything else today!  They cannot be recovered.  This is exactly why I asked to have settings available so that members could only edit or delete files and/or photos they uploaded.  I am the only one who uploaded any file because they were the files I transferred from Yahoo.  So now, I have to go back to the Yahoo Group and download all those files once again and then upload them to my new group.  I am so frustrated.  After I go through all this trouble, right now there is no guarantee that it won't happen again.  I have deleted that member from my group.  I have to think they did it by accident but I don't want another accident to happen.  There are 2800 members in my group and that is a lot of potential accidents!  Mark--please make that change to the available settings for members!


Janice B

AZ



locked DISASTER!!!

weebeequilting <weebee.1@...>
 

This morning I found that all my files were missing.  I contacted Mark.  He investigated and found that a member of my group had deleted several files days ago and went in and deleted everything else today!  They cannot be recovered.  This is exactly why I asked to have settings available so that members could only edit or delete files and/or photos they uploaded.  I am the only one who uploaded any file because they were the files I transferred from Yahoo.  So now, I have to go back to the Yahoo Group and download all those files once again and then upload them to my new group.  I am so frustrated.  After I go through all this trouble, right now there is no guarantee that it won't happen again.  I have deleted that member from my group.  I have to think they did it by accident but I don't want another accident to happen.  There are 2800 members in my group and that is a lot of potential accidents!  Mark--please make that change to the available settings for members!


Janice B

AZ


locked Re: removing "new members moderated" setting doesn't remove "NuM" badge #bug

 

Brenda,

But if they DO join, I count on the moderated status to keep them
quiet.

So having an automated -unmoderate feature in that case would be a
problem, ...
But remember, the feature we're talking about, Unmoderate After, isn't fully automatic - it only happens when you approve the member's message.

But I do understand what you're saying: even if they post a string of "good" messages, you don't want them unmoderated after even the 4th. And that's fine. Just keep the Unmoderate After control disabled.

-- Shal


locked Re: removing "new members moderated" setting doesn't remove "NuM" badge #bug

Nightowl >8#
 

Shal Farley wrote:>>We're only talking about message moderation here, not who you allow to join your group. And, when that member's first post arrives for moderation, you would still
have the option to reject the message and/or remove or ban the member.<<

Correct, as long as they aren't un-moderated. And I am talking about message moderation. For example, MM is open membership. I can't keep the troublemakers out of it,and I don't try. But if they DO join, I count on the moderated status to keep them quiet.

So having an automated -unmoderate feature in that case would be a problem, or flipping the whole group to un-moderated at once. That's all I was explaining.

Thanks.

Brenda


locked Re: Group Settings Contradiction

 

Brenda,

Diana Gregory wrote:
Granted, I don't post a lot in groups I own - so that isn't a major deal
- but I do have myself moderated. For all the reasons Shal mentioned,
plus if I get hacked, bogus messages can't be posted.
I'm not sure that would work, wouldn't they just be able to hack your
account and then un-moderate themselves and post?
Yes, someone who gains control of your email account might very well be able to perform a password reset on your Groups.io account, and thereby get access to it as well.

On the other hand, the history of such compromises (at least within Yahoo Mail and Yahoo Groups) has been that the crooks tend to take no interest in your groups or other memberships. Not even bank accounts. Mostly it seems what they've been after is to be able to send spam in your name.

That's not to say that there aren't more comprehensive crooks out there also.

... the point to me, of a group, back when we started, was to have a
group with a group site, and an interface...not a mailing list. ;)
I'm the opposite. For me the mailing list is the point. The web features are bonuses.

-- Shal


locked Re: removing "new members moderated" setting doesn't remove "NuM" badge #bug

 

Brenda,

I would never set a group to automatically unmoderate people, because I
work hard to keep certain people OUT of my groups, and that would let
them in.
We're only talking about message moderation here, not who you allow to join your group.

And, when that member's first post arrives for moderation, you would still have the option to reject the message and/or remove or ban the member.

-- Shal