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locked Re: Group transfers

Marlin47
 

On 1/3/2015 3:10 PM, Marlin47@... wrote:
On 1/3/2015 3:02 PM, Frances wrote:
Hi

When you say send the member list, would a TSV or CSV file work? I just tried and YahooGroups will allow this for up to 1000 names.


It used to be that when I downloaded the members list, all it sent back to me was the email addresses of the members, all in� a vertical column, with none of the other garbage.

Can you still download a list like that?




I don't know what all the characters are in that text I just sent, in green, between the word�� "in"� and the word� "a".

I looked at my "sent" message and it is just a single space between the words, nothing more, but, somehow it got interpreted into characters I do not even know how to send.








Also once you have moved the members, will they get an email automatically saying that they must create a password, etc.? Or do we need to ask them to create Groups.io accounts first?

Thanks.

Frances




locked Re: Group transfers

Marlin47
 

On 1/3/2015 3:02 PM, Frances wrote:
Hi

When you say send the member list, would a TSV or CSV file work? I just tried and YahooGroups will allow this for up to 1000 names.


It used to be that when I downloaded the members list, all it sent back to me was the email addresses of the members, all in� a vertical column, with none of the other garbage.

Can you still download a list like that?







Also once you have moved the members, will they get an email automatically saying that they must create a password, etc.? Or do we need to ask them to create Groups.io accounts first?

Thanks.

Frances



locked Re: Group transfers

Frances
 

Hi

When you say send the member list, would a TSV or CSV file work? I just tried and YahooGroups will allow this for up to 1000 names. 

Also once you have moved the members, will they get an email automatically saying that they must create a password, etc.? Or do we need to ask them to create Groups.io accounts first?

Thanks.

Frances

On Jan 3 15, at 3:36 PM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@...> wrote:

If you go to the Yahoo Group Moderators option in Management/Manage members, all of the moderators and owner appear there with a crown that is Blue for the owner, green for the Moderators.  It includes the email address for the owner and moderator which of course are different for each.
 
Judy F.
SW Florida - USA
 
From: Marlin47@... [mailto:Marlin47@...] 
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 2:16 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Group transfers
 


I can think of another problem.

In the process of proving to you that a person is an owner of an existing group, how would you distinguish between whether the person is actually the owner or just a moderator?

If you would send a message to the     -owner    address expecting a reply from the owner proving that he received that message as the owner, I would point out to you that all the moderators also receive those messages.

I would bet that there are countless numbers of groups where there are moderators who would just love to steal the group from the owner.

That would be a slick way to do it.

I have a suggestion, but, it would mean more work for you, if you think this would be a problem.

Marlin





On 1/3/2015 12:51 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Hi All, 
 
Happy 2015! Now that the holidays are over, I'll be able to get back to serious development work.
 
I've been trying to think of ways to make transfers of existing groups to Groups.io easier. My problem with having direct add of members generally available is that it tends to get abused and Groups.io gets labeled a spammer. But I want to make it easy to transfer groups over. 
 
If someone can prove to me that they own an existing group, I think that's enough of a bar to permit their members to be added directly. So, here's an idea:
 
- Create the new group at Groups.io
- Change the description of your existing group to include a link to the new group at Groups.io. Something like "This group has moved to https://groups.io/org/groupsio/GROUPNAME".
- Email the member list and a link to the old group to a support account I'll set up.
- I'll verify that the old group's description has been changed, and directly add the members to the new group.
 
What do you think?
 
Thanks,
Mark
 



locked Re: Group transfers

Judy F.
 

If you go to the Yahoo Group Moderators option in Management/Manage members, all of the moderators and owner appear there with a crown that is Blue for the owner, green for the Moderators.  It includes the email address for the owner and moderator which of course are different for each.

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Marlin47@... [mailto:Marlin47@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 2:16 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Group transfers

 



I can think of another problem.

In the process of proving to you that a person is an owner of an existing group, how would you distinguish between whether the person is actually the owner or just a moderator?

If you would send a message to the     -owner    address expecting a reply from the owner proving that he received that message as the owner, I would point out to you that all the moderators also receive those messages.

I would bet that there are countless numbers of groups where there are moderators who would just love to steal the group from the owner.

That would be a slick way to do it.

I have a suggestion, but, it would mean more work for you, if you think this would be a problem.

Marlin





On 1/3/2015 12:51 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

Hi All,

 

Happy 2015! Now that the holidays are over, I'll be able to get back to serious development work.

 

I've been trying to think of ways to make transfers of existing groups to Groups.io easier. My problem with having direct add of members generally available is that it tends to get abused and Groups.io gets labeled a spammer. But I want to make it easy to transfer groups over. 

 

If someone can prove to me that they own an existing group, I think that's enough of a bar to permit their members to be added directly. So, here's an idea:

 

- Create the new group at Groups.io

- Change the description of your existing group to include a link to the new group at Groups.io. Something like "This group has moved to https://groups.io/org/groupsio/GROUPNAME".

- Email the member list and a link to the old group to a support account I'll set up.

- I'll verify that the old group's description has been changed, and directly add the members to the new group.

 

What do you think?

 

Thanks,

Mark

 


locked Re: Wiki

Frances
 

Hi

I have edited the name of the homepage a few times. 
And other names too.

Frances

On Jan 3 15, at 2:10 PM, Ellen <esbaru@...> wrote:

Frances,

Thanks for the information. Do you know if it's possible to totally delete a Wiki or at least change the title of a wiki? My first concern is how careful I need to be in the naming of a wiki.



locked Re: Group transfers

Marlin47
 



I can think of another problem.

In the process of proving to you that a person is an owner of an existing group, how would you distinguish between whether the person is actually the owner or just a moderator?

If you would send a message to the     -owner    address expecting a reply from the owner proving that he received that message as the owner, I would point out to you that all the moderators also receive those messages.

I would bet that there are countless numbers of groups where there are moderators who would just love to steal the group from the owner.

That would be a slick way to do it.

I have a suggestion, but, it would mean more work for you, if you think this would be a problem.

Marlin





On 1/3/2015 12:51 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Hi All,

Happy 2015! Now that the holidays are over, I'll be able to get back to serious development work.

I've been trying to think of ways to make transfers of existing groups to Groups.io easier. My problem with having direct add of members generally available is that it tends to get abused and Groups.io gets labeled a spammer. But I want to make it easy to transfer groups over. 

If someone can prove to me that they own an existing group, I think that's enough of a bar to permit their members to be added directly. So, here's an idea:

- Create the new group at Groups.io
- Change the description of your existing group to include a link to the new group at Groups.io. Something like "This group has moved to https://groups.io/org/groupsio/GROUPNAME".
- Email the member list and a link to the old group to a support account I'll set up.
- I'll verify that the old group's description has been changed, and directly add the members to the new group.

What do you think?

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Wiki

Ellen
 

Frances,

Thanks for the information. Do you know if it's possible to totally delete a Wiki or at least change the title of a wiki? My first concern is how careful I need to be in the naming of a wiki.


locked Re: Group transfers

Marlin47
 


Mark, I can think of one problem, how can you add the members to the group without typing each and every email address, one at a time?

It used to be that you could export a membership list from Yahoogroups, I have done it several times to compare a list to a list from a year ago to see who had joined, who had left.

But, now when I try it, it does not seem to work.

Last week when I tried it, I could not download a list at all.

Not sure if it was just a glitch but, that could be a real problem.

Marlin




On 1/3/2015 12:51 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:


If someone can prove to me that they own an existing group, I think that's enough of a bar to permit their members to be added directly. So, here's an idea:

- Create the new group at Groups.io
- Change the description of your existing group to include a link to the new group at Groups.io. Something like "This group has moved to https://groups.io/org/groupsio/GROUPNAME".
- Email the member list and a link to the old group to a support account I'll set up.
- I'll verify that the old group's description has been changed, and directly add the members to the new group.

What do you think?

Thanks,
Mark
_._,_._,


locked Re: Group transfers

Linda
 

Hi Mark,
I love the way you're thinking!  I'm just worried that Yahoo might stumble upon the new description and close down the group completely, thereby deleting the archives.  Wish there was an easy way to transfer the archives over too...
 
Thanks!
Linda

Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 1:51 PM
Subject: [beta] Group transfers

Hi All,

Happy 2015! Now that the holidays are over, I'll be able to get back to serious development work.

I've been trying to think of ways to make transfers of existing groups to Groups.io easier. My problem with having direct add of members generally available is that it tends to get abused and Groups.io gets labeled a spammer. But I want to make it easy to transfer groups over. 

If someone can prove to me that they own an existing group, I think that's enough of a bar to permit their members to be added directly. So, here's an idea:

- Create the new group at Groups.io
- Change the description of your existing group to include a link to the new group at Groups.io. Something like "This group has moved to https://groups.io/org/groupsio/GROUPNAME".
- Email the member list and a link to the old group to a support account I'll set up.
- I'll verify that the old group's description has been changed, and directly add the members to the new group.

What do you think?

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Group transfers

Cacky B
 

Sounds good. At least it allows you to have some control of the process.
Cacky

On 1/3/2015 12:51 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Hi All,

Happy 2015! Now that the holidays are over, I'll be able to get back to serious development work.

I've been trying to think of ways to make transfers of existing groups to Groups.io easier. My problem with having direct add of members generally available is that it tends to get abused and Groups.io gets labeled a spammer. But I want to make it easy to transfer groups over. 

If someone can prove to me that they own an existing group, I think that's enough of a bar to permit their members to be added directly. So, here's an idea:

- Create the new group at Groups.io
- Change the description of your existing group to include a link to the new group at Groups.io. Something like "This group has moved to https://groups.io/org/groupsio/GROUPNAME".
- Email the member list and a link to the old group to a support account I'll set up.
- I'll verify that the old group's description has been changed, and directly add the members to the new group.

What do you think?

Thanks,
Mark




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locked Re: Group transfers

Frances
 

Wow! Perfect.

I was wondering how to get my reluctant extended family to move from YahooGroups to Groups.io.
The good news for me - my son who objects to off-topic stuff is happy with the controls he will have with Groups.io.

Frances


locked Group transfers

 

Hi All,

Happy 2015! Now that the holidays are over, I'll be able to get back to serious development work.

I've been trying to think of ways to make transfers of existing groups to Groups.io easier. My problem with having direct add of members generally available is that it tends to get abused and Groups.io gets labeled a spammer. But I want to make it easy to transfer groups over. 

If someone can prove to me that they own an existing group, I think that's enough of a bar to permit their members to be added directly. So, here's an idea:

- Create the new group at Groups.io
- Change the description of your existing group to include a link to the new group at Groups.io. Something like "This group has moved to https://groups.io/org/groupsio/GROUPNAME".
- Email the member list and a link to the old group to a support account I'll set up.
- I'll verify that the old group's description has been changed, and directly add the members to the new group.

What do you think?

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Wiki

Frances
 

I am a moderator for a travel discussion group and I worked on our wiki. It is a half dozen pages of links, including a home page with links to the subsidiary pages. 

So, yes, a moderator can create a wiki. And each page has a "delete page" button. 

The other day I sent Mark a short list of some oddities before I posted them here. Well, some things that behaved unexpectedly and some "nice-to-have" things. They shouldn't affect your attempt to play with a wiki though! Ours is up and running. And I am sure he would be interested in your feedback too.


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Ellen
 

Mark,

It is our intent to create a wiki for our group. Currently, I'm a moderator. Do moderators have the ability to create and delete wikis? I assume that once a wiki is created, you can delete it, if you don't want it. I would like to create a test wiki and play to see what it's like. 

Ellen


locked Re: Groups.io is building traction

David P. Dillard
 

It is wonderful that there is concern here for accessibility. You may want to consider using the Wave tool on Mozilla Firefox that will point out accessibility errors and there is also the firefox toolbar for Wave that is accessed and downloaded via a link on the main Wave page at the bottom right.

http://wave.webaim.org/

On the Archives page for my list on IO, Wave wants a meaningful title between the top of the black bar and the top of the page, such, I guess as Net-Gold on Groups IO.

It also wants the search dialog box at the top right labeled. These are the only two accessibility errors Wave found on the Archive page for my list, which is pretty good. Also photographs must be labled in the world of disabilities. I hope that this helps.



Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University
(215) 204 - 4584
jwne@temple.edu

On Fri, 26 Dec 2014, Mark Fletcher wrote:

Chris,
Thanks for this. It's especially gratifying that blind people are able to use the service.
(belated) Happy Holidays everybody!
Mark
On Thu, Dec 25, 2014 at 4:41 AM, Chris Leong <walkraft@gmail.com> wrote:

I thought I'd update the other users here on recent events on Groups.io. Three weeks ago, The-Tech-Zone, a general
technology group shifted over to Groups.io. With 196 members, The-Tech-Zone is by far the largest group on Groups.io
apart from Updates. Additionally, five groups related to disabilities recently appeared on Groups.io too
(Blind-Facebook-Users, BlindChitChat, Dissasociativetalk, BlindTwitterUsers and BlindMentalHealth). Of these five,
Blind-Facebook-Users is of particular note with 78 members. I don't have exact details on how these events are
related, but I believe The-Tech-Zone has a significant audience of people with disabilities and some of these other
groups may have been pre-existing and by shifted over due to either shared mods or mods being members of the
Tech-Zone. Regardless of exactly this has occurred, Groups.io is gaining significant traction.

Lest anyone think the the traction was purely related to the disability niche, two unrelated groups: Rant,
MusicRequest have reached the 20 user mark, as has my group, future-tech.. I suspect that these groups have been able
to reach this size largely because The-tech-zone (and the related disability groups) have brought more people into
the Groups.io ecosystem. So those you who attempted to found a group before but found it difficult to get members
might want to consider promoting your group again.

It is my understanding that The-Tech-Zone allows you to post that you've created a related group (although I
recommend checking the most recent statements on this yourself). I took advantage of this and I gained a few members
from this. I suspect that anyone wanting to found a tech or programming group would be able to find people
interesting in joining now.


locked Re: Taglines

 

This is definitely an interesting idea. Profiles are an undeveloped area of Groups.io. Let me take this and write up a bit of a proposal and get a discussion going in the new year.

Thanks,
Mark

On Thu, Dec 25, 2014 at 4:18 AM, Chris Leong <walkraft@...> wrote:

I think that it would be useful to be able to list your relation to a topic next to your name via a tagline. Specifically, this is a group specific text label that would be displayed next to your name within the Groups.io interface. For example, in GroupManagersForum I might set my tagline to "Mod of future_tech", in the-tech-zone I might set my tagline to "Web developer" and so on... These would benefit the group by making people seem less anonymous and also give a better idea of where everyone is coming from. My suggestion would be that these taglines could be either moderated or unmoderated. There are a few questions about this proposal that I am unsure about:

  1. How would this be handled via email?
  2. Reddit has "flair" in which a user is assigned one of a limited set of tags and flair can only be assigned by the moderators. Is this a better or worse system than taglines?
  3. What would be an appropriate maximum length?



locked Re: Groups.io is building traction

 

Chris,

Thanks for this. It's especially gratifying that blind people are able to use the service.

(belated) Happy Holidays everybody!

Mark

On Thu, Dec 25, 2014 at 4:41 AM, Chris Leong <walkraft@...> wrote:

I thought I'd update the other users here on recent events on Groups.io. Three weeks ago, The-Tech-Zone, a general technology group shifted over to Groups.io. With 196 members, The-Tech-Zone is by far the largest group on Groups.io apart from Updates. Additionally, five groups related to disabilities recently appeared on Groups.io too (Blind-Facebook-Users, BlindChitChat, Dissasociativetalk, BlindTwitterUsers and BlindMentalHealth). Of these five, Blind-Facebook-Users is of particular note with 78 members. I don't have exact details on how these events are related, but I believe The-Tech-Zone has a significant audience of people with disabilities and some of these other groups may have been pre-existing and by shifted over due to either shared mods or mods being members of the Tech-Zone. Regardless of exactly this has occurred, Groups.io is gaining significant traction.

Lest anyone think the the traction was purely related to the disability niche, two unrelated groups: Rant, MusicRequest have reached the 20 user mark, as has my group, future-tech.. I suspect that these groups have been able to reach this size largely because The-tech-zone (and the related disability groups) have brought more people into the Groups.io ecosystem. So those you who attempted to found a group before but found it difficult to get members might want to consider promoting your group again.

It is my understanding that The-Tech-Zone allows you to post that you've created a related group (although I recommend checking the most recent statements on this yourself). I took advantage of this and I gained a few members from this. I suspect that anyone wanting to found a tech or programming group would be able to find people interesting in joining now.



locked Re: Groups.io is building traction

 

Just to clarify, I have no affiliation with Groups.io. It sounds like you think that I do.

On 26 December 2014 at 06:32, Christopher Hallsworth <challsworth2@...> wrote:
I think this is awesome especially if you are attracting the disabled. Thank you so much, this means a lot to us. Keep up the good work.

On 25/12/2014 12:41, Chris Leong wrote:
I thought I'd update the other users here on recent events on Groups.io.. Three weeks ago, The-Tech-Zone, a general technology group shifted over to Groups.io. With 196 members, The-Tech-Zone is by far the largest group on Groups.io apart from Updates. Additionally, five groups related to disabilities recently appeared on Groups.io too (Blind-Facebook-Users, BlindChitChat, Dissasociativetalk, BlindTwitterUsers and BlindMentalHealth). Of these five, Blind-Facebook-Users is of particular note with 78 members. I don't have exact details on how these events are related, but I believe The-Tech-Zone has a significant audience of people with disabilities and some of these other groups may have been pre-existing and by shifted over due to either shared mods or mods being members of the Tech-Zone. Regardless of exactly this has occurred, Groups.io is gaining significant traction.

Lest anyone think the the traction was purely related to the disability niche, two unrelated groups: Rant, MusicRequest have reached the 20 user mark, as has my group, future-tech. I suspect that these groups have been able to reach this size largely because The-tech-zone (and the related disability groups) have brought more people into the Groups.io ecosystem. So those you who attempted to found a group before but found it difficult to get members might want to consider promoting your group again.
It is my understanding that The-Tech-Zone allows you to post that you've created a related group (although I recommend checking the most recent statements on this yourself). I took advantage of this and I gained a few members from this. I suspect that anyone wanting to found a tech or programming group would be able to find people interesting in joining now.









locked Re: Groups.io is building traction

Christopher Hallsworth <challsworth2@...>
 

I think this is awesome especially if you are attracting the disabled. Thank you so much, this means a lot to us. Keep up the good work.

On 25/12/2014 12:41, Chris Leong wrote:
I thought I'd update the other users here on recent events on Groups.io. Three weeks ago, The-Tech-Zone, a general technology group shifted over to Groups.io. With 196 members, The-Tech-Zone is by far the largest group on Groups.io apart from Updates. Additionally, five groups related to disabilities recently appeared on Groups.io too (Blind-Facebook-Users, BlindChitChat, Dissasociativetalk, BlindTwitterUsers and BlindMentalHealth). Of these five, Blind-Facebook-Users is of particular note with 78 members. I don't have exact details on how these events are related, but I believe The-Tech-Zone has a significant audience of people with disabilities and some of these other groups may have been pre-existing and by shifted over due to either shared mods or mods being members of the Tech-Zone. Regardless of exactly this has occurred, Groups.io is gaining significant traction.

Lest anyone think the the traction was purely related to the disability niche, two unrelated groups: Rant, MusicRequest have reached the 20 user mark, as has my group, future-tech. I suspect that these groups have been able to reach this size largely because The-tech-zone (and the related disability groups) have brought more people into the Groups.io ecosystem. So those you who attempted to found a group before but found it difficult to get members might want to consider promoting your group again.
It is my understanding that The-Tech-Zone allows you to post that you've created a related group (although I recommend checking the most recent statements on this yourself). I took advantage of this and I gained a few members from this. I suspect that anyone wanting to found a tech or programming group would be able to find people interesting in joining now.



locked Groups.io is building traction

 

I thought I'd update the other users here on recent events on Groups.io. Three weeks ago, The-Tech-Zone, a general technology group shifted over to Groups.io. With 196 members, The-Tech-Zone is by far the largest group on Groups.io apart from Updates. Additionally, five groups related to disabilities recently appeared on Groups.io too (Blind-Facebook-Users, BlindChitChat, Dissasociativetalk, BlindTwitterUsers and BlindMentalHealth). Of these five, Blind-Facebook-Users is of particular note with 78 members. I don't have exact details on how these events are related, but I believe The-Tech-Zone has a significant audience of people with disabilities and some of these other groups may have been pre-existing and by shifted over due to either shared mods or mods being members of the Tech-Zone. Regardless of exactly this has occurred, Groups.io is gaining significant traction.

Lest anyone think the the traction was purely related to the disability niche, two unrelated groups: Rant, MusicRequest have reached the 20 user mark, as has my group, future-tech. I suspect that these groups have been able to reach this size largely because The-tech-zone (and the related disability groups) have brought more people into the Groups.io ecosystem. So those you who attempted to found a group before but found it difficult to get members might want to consider promoting your group again.

It is my understanding that The-Tech-Zone allows you to post that you've created a related group (although I recommend checking the most recent statements on this yourself). I took advantage of this and I gained a few members from this. I suspect that anyone wanting to found a tech or programming group would be able to find people interesting in joining now.