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locked Re: "P" next to member name

 

…and as I said, my question is what happens to the "P" after the new member posts the required number of posts. I'll try that in my test group right now and see if it goes away. If it does, this particular situation is not an issue. But there may be others.

J


locked Re: "P" next to member name

 

Shal,

It's incorrect to say that the "P" has nothing to do with new members. 

My group is set to "new members moderated" with the number of posts set to 1.

I admitted a new member, whose status was set to "NuM", as indicated by the notation near his hame.

I went in and set him to "override, not moderated" and a "P" appeared beside his name.

I don't think you are counting the number of cases correctly. I'm not going to embark on a project to do that, but I think it's much more complicated than it's being portrayed here. I think the use of "P" *and* "M" (both, instead of just one of them) is what complicates situations.

J



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vickie <vickie_00@...>
 



From: Shal Farley <shals2nd@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] "P" next to member name
Shal, I am purple font


> " M "  Will  newbie members be able to read messages anyway?

Yes, of course (if any member can, that is). The status badges I'm talking about refer only to posting privileges, not to what they can access.
Ok so this is the same  as yahoo.


> ... ideally they should not be able to read the group forum or members
> emails or receive group messages. until status is changed to P.
> In my group privacy is very important and members emails is very
> important to them to keep private  the group private until the member
> shows participation with the group.

It sounds like you should simply not approve those "members"
No I wouldn't until they reply  to the group questionnaire
However they can still view the forum and read messages and members emails are view-able.

 if they shouldn't be given access to group messages or other resources. I'm unclear on how they then show participation, but that's more a group management question than a product features question.

1- First they must reply to the questionnaire upon joining. Once they reply I would then approve their membership.
2- Once they submit the first post to the forum I can better judge the members post to  unmoderate the newbie member
   or not.

Or maybe what you're looking for is a kind of "probationary" membership. Something more than a non-member or pending member, but with fewer access rights than a permanent member. That would be something novel, I haven't thought about what that might mean.
Probation sounds more like it.. 
All  who  apply to the group are permanent members.. 
Most of my members are not moderated.. I like it that way. Less work for me.

Shal, I have a few groups. I have one chat group and in my chat group the members are free to view the forum.
I prefer they read the forum before submitting a message to the group. 
It allows them to feel more  comfortable knowing  a little bit about the members already in the group.
It also allows them to decide if the chat group is   something they would enjoy. 
 
However  my giving group well, that is another matter..  
Newbie members  in my gifting group  have  different guidelines  from my chat group.
My chat group they are free to use every  option available in the group   they are taken off of moderation once they submit their first message.





It is possible that you can get this kind of feature by using a subgroup for "permanent" members - you could add someone to the subgroup only when they've exhibited "good" behavior in the main group. Access to messages (and other resources) in the subgroup can be restricted to subgroup members.

Subgroups sounds like extra work.. I prefer to keep all members list in one area..


I am sorry I have taken up so much of everyone's time with my request.

If it's possible a probation period  would be great, if not, well I go with the flow.. lol 





locked Re: "P" next to member name

 
Edited

J,

I'm familiar with how that works. I'm suggesting that the way "P" works
is inconsistent with that
The way P works has nothing whatsoever to do with new members. You apply it manually, you remove it manually. That's all there is to it.[1]

The posting privileges work exactly the same here as they did in Yahoo Groups, with the exception of "NuM", which is a new feature (new, both in the sense of not available in Yahoo Groups, and in the sense of only recently implemented in groups.io).
https://groups.io/g/beta/message/4462


1: As a matter of group management policy, I generally recommend against setting anyone to the unmoderated override ('P'). It is easier to control flame wars or other incidents in a group if all (or most) unmoderated members are set to use the Default group policy instead.

-- Shal
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


locked Re: "P" next to member name

vickie <vickie_00@...>
 

Ro,

I am not a stickler about group guidelines. 
Fact is members don't always remember the guidelines  3 weeks into the group , never mind 3 months into the group
and I am ok with that. I just give them a refresher  on the guidelines. I am more than willing to help them  as many times as needed.. 
My main  concern are for the new applicants joining groups. Not the members already on board.

Thanks for allowing me  to  share my thoughts for  my group. 
 

Vickie

 









From: Ro <recarlton@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] "P" next to member name

Thats a matter of how one wishes the group to function.   I dont moderate new members, I only moderate people who have not followed group rules in their postings. I have no desire to cut them off from reading posts.  Many Yahoo groups are like this, and some, fully moderated forever like the raw feeding groups, feline cancer, etc.  People can certainly read posts there.   Some group owners simply want to moderate new members till they have shown they can follow group rules such as trimming posts, etc.  No need there to prohibit the reading of other emails. 

But the fact that we might run our groups differently is really immaterial.  Simply put, the suggestion that moderated people should not be able to read others posts will not fit all group owners.   If such a setting were created, the alternate setting should be preserved, and that is all I meant to say. 


Ro






Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 00:40:49 +0000
From: vickie_00@...
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] "P" next to member name

You might as well unmoderate them if they are able to receive group messages and read the forum..

They don't have to participate with the forum, they can just contact the member directly to the  members accounts.
 

Vickie

 








From: Ro <recarlton@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] "P" next to member name

We would then need a separate designation, because I am ok with moderated members reading posts.


Ro




Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 00:25:13 +0000
From: vickie_00@...
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] "P" next to member name

Shal >>>>P' ~ may post without moderation,
                   'M' ~ posts will be moderated, and 
                    'NP' ~ not allowed to post. 


 
" M "  Will  newbie members be able to read messages anyway?
 I prefer they not see group messages until they have P status
From experience newbie members  won't bother to reply   to  the questionnaire sent to them
upon joining  because some just want  to  get the group  members emails in the forum. 

M  though they are moderated   ideally they should not be able to read the group forum or members emails
or receive group messages. until status   is  changed to P 
In my group privacy is very important and members emails is very important to them to keep private  the group private until the member
shows participation with the group.


 
Vickie




From: Shal Farley <shals2nd@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] "P" next to member name

[Edited Message Follows]
[Reason: The badges on the My Groups page currently match those on the Members list.]

J,

> So in a group that is all moderated, does an unmoderated member have a
> 'P' next to their name?

In any kind of group, a member with the "Not moderated" override would have a 'P' next to their name.

> I just find it confusing to have a separate notation 'P' that really
> just means 'not M.'

'P' does not mean 'not M'.

There are five cases, all of which are of interest to a moderator looking at their Members list:

'P' = Override: not moderated,
'M' = Override: moderated,
'NuM' = Override: new user moderated,
'NP' = Override: not allowed to post, and of course
(blank) = Default group policy

Even in the case of a member looking at their Your Groups list, there are an irreducible three cases, if you combine the effect of group and individual settings:

'P' ~ may post without moderation,
'M' ~ posts will be moderated, and
'NP' ~ not allowed to post.

NOTE: the above meanings on the Your Groups list is a suggestion only. Currently they are implemented to exactly match your Posting Privilege in each group (the top five cases), unaltered by the group's settings. If you show no badge for a group, then you must refer to the group's settings to see how your posts would be handled.

-- Shal













locked Re: "P" next to member name

 

On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 05:30 pm, Shal Farley wrote:

You must check the "New Users Moderated" box, and then enable the "Unmoderate after" in feature in your group's Settings before "NuM" will be applied to members when they join (it will not be applied retroactively to members who've already joined, no matter how recently).

I'm familiar with how that works. I'm suggesting that the way "P" works is inconsistent with that (or de minimus, a PITA) IF it doesn't go away automatically when the member ceases to be "new," just as "NuM" goes away after x number of posts. We still don't know, unless someone has tried this, whether it does until we hear from Mark. I personally haven't done the experiment yet.



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If the P never goes away, then I would call it more of a nuisance than a help. In the case of a new member who is set to be allowed to post, they're no longer a new member after x amount of posts.  So in that case the P just creates more, rather than less, work for the moderator. I'm sure there are other, similar cases.
J

On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 5:22 PM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
The P never goes away because you set them to Over ride - Not Moderated.  If you change them to the group default, the P will go away.  You can switch the group from Moderated to Unmoderated if need be, say if a "fight" breaks out.  I'm pretty sure that the letters are used to specify anything other than Group Default, whichever way it's set.

Duane







locked Re: "P" next to member name

 

J,

For example, you note the above designation NuM. However, the two
members whose status i changed to "override, can post" did not have the
NuM designation before I did that.
You must check the "New Users Moderated" box, and then enable the "Unmoderate after" in feature in your group's Settings before "NuM" will be applied to members when they join (it will not be applied retroactively to members who've already joined, no matter how recently).

Also, there is still the issue of how the "P" goes away.
It goes away when you take it away.

"NuM" is the only override setting that goes away automatically, and it converts to "Default group policy" when the "Unmoderate after" condition has been satisfied.

I think there are more than five cases, because there is also a temporal
(historical) aspect.
Nope. "NuM" is the only one with a temporal aspect (which is actually an approval count, not a time period per se).

So anyone without the "M" designation would be an exception to that.
M, P, NuM and NP are all exceptions to (overrides of) the group moderation setting.


-- Shal
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


locked Re: "P" next to member name

Duane
 

The P never goes away because you set them to Over ride - Not Moderated. If you change them to the group default, the P will go away. You can switch the group from Moderated to Unmoderated if need be, say if a "fight" breaks out. I'm pretty sure that the letters are used to specify anything other than Group Default, whichever way it's set.

Duane


locked Re: "P" next to member name

 

Ro, no worries. That's not going to happen. New members will be allowed to read posts.
J

On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Ro <recarlton@...> wrote:
We would then need a separate designation, because I am ok with moderated members reading posts.


Ro




Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 00:25:13 +0000
From: vickie_00=yahoo.com@groups.io
To: beta@groups.io

Subject: Re: [beta] "P" next to member name

Shal >>>>P' ~ may post without moderation,
                   'M' ~ posts will be moderated, and 
                    'NP' ~ not allowed to post. 


 
" M "  Will  newbie members be able to read messages anyway?
 I prefer they not see group messages until they have P status
From experience newbie members  won't bother to reply   to  the questionnaire sent to them
upon joining  because some just want  to  get the group  members emails in the forum. 

M  though they are moderated   ideally they should not be able to read the group forum or members emails
or receive group messages. until status   is  changed to P 
In my group privacy is very important and members emails is very important to them to keep private  the group private until the member
shows participation with the group.


 
Vickie




From: Shal Farley <shals2nd@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] "P" next to member name

[Edited Message Follows]
[Reason: The badges on the My Groups page currently match those on the Members list.]

J,

> So in a group that is all moderated, does an unmoderated member have a
> 'P' next to their name?

In any kind of group, a member with the "Not moderated" override would have a 'P' next to their name.

> I just find it confusing to have a separate notation 'P' that really
> just means 'not M.'

'P' does not mean 'not M'.

There are five cases, all of which are of interest to a moderator looking at their Members list:

'P' = Override: not moderated,
'M' = Override: moderated,
'NuM' = Override: new user moderated,
'NP' = Override: not allowed to post, and of course
(blank) = Default group policy

Even in the case of a member looking at their Your Groups list, there are an irreducible three cases, if you combine the effect of group and individual settings:

'P' ~ may post without moderation,
'M' ~ posts will be moderated, and
'NP' ~ not allowed to post.

NOTE: the above meanings on the Your Groups list is a suggestion only. Currently they are implemented to exactly match your Posting Privilege in each group (the top five cases), unaltered by the group's settings. If you show no badge for a group, then you must refer to the group's settings to see how your posts would be handled.

-- Shal








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Ro
 

Thats a matter of how one wishes the group to function.   I dont moderate new members, I only moderate people who have not followed group rules in their postings. I have no desire to cut them off from reading posts.  Many Yahoo groups are like this, and some, fully moderated forever like the raw feeding groups, feline cancer, etc.  People can certainly read posts there.   Some group owners simply want to moderate new members till they have shown they can follow group rules such as trimming posts, etc.  No need there to prohibit the reading of other emails. 

But the fact that we might run our groups differently is really immaterial.  Simply put, the suggestion that moderated people should not be able to read others posts will not fit all group owners.   If such a setting were created, the alternate setting should be preserved, and that is all I meant to say. 


Ro






Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 00:40:49 +0000
From: vickie_00@...
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] "P" next to member name

You might as well unmoderate them if they are able to receive group messages and read the forum..

They don't have to participate with the forum, they can just contact the member directly to the  members accounts.
 

Vickie

 








From: Ro <recarlton@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] "P" next to member name

We would then need a separate designation, because I am ok with moderated members reading posts.


Ro




Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 00:25:13 +0000
From: vickie_00@...
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] "P" next to member name

Shal >>>>P' ~ may post without moderation,
                   'M' ~ posts will be moderated, and 
                    'NP' ~ not allowed to post. 


 
" M "  Will  newbie members be able to read messages anyway?
 I prefer they not see group messages until they have P status
From experience newbie members  won't bother to reply   to  the questionnaire sent to them
upon joining  because some just want  to  get the group  members emails in the forum. 

M  though they are moderated   ideally they should not be able to read the group forum or members emails
or receive group messages. until status   is  changed to P 
In my group privacy is very important and members emails is very important to them to keep private  the group private until the member
shows participation with the group.


 
Vickie




From: Shal Farley <shals2nd@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] "P" next to member name

[Edited Message Follows]
[Reason: The badges on the My Groups page currently match those on the Members list.]

J,

> So in a group that is all moderated, does an unmoderated member have a
> 'P' next to their name?

In any kind of group, a member with the "Not moderated" override would have a 'P' next to their name.

> I just find it confusing to have a separate notation 'P' that really
> just means 'not M.'

'P' does not mean 'not M'.

There are five cases, all of which are of interest to a moderator looking at their Members list:

'P' = Override: not moderated,
'M' = Override: moderated,
'NuM' = Override: new user moderated,
'NP' = Override: not allowed to post, and of course
(blank) = Default group policy

Even in the case of a member looking at their Your Groups list, there are an irreducible three cases, if you combine the effect of group and individual settings:

'P' ~ may post without moderation,
'M' ~ posts will be moderated, and
'NP' ~ not allowed to post.

NOTE: the above meanings on the Your Groups list is a suggestion only. Currently they are implemented to exactly match your Posting Privilege in each group (the top five cases), unaltered by the group's settings. If you show no badge for a group, then you must refer to the group's settings to see how your posts would be handled.

-- Shal










locked Re: "P" next to member name

 

On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 02:55 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
'NuM' = Override: new user moderated,

 Shal,

I'm still trying to check that it's all consistent. And I don't think it's 100% consistent yet.

For example, you note the above designation NuM. However, the two members whose status i changed to "override, can post" did not have the NuM designation before I did that. Instead, they went from [nothing] to "P."

Also, there is still the issue of how the "P" goes away. Perhaps Mark could clarify this (or I'll run a little experiment). Does it go away, for instance, as soon as the member has posted x number of posts, even though those posts did not have to be approved (because they were unmoderated)? Or does the system still count only approvals, in which case the "P" would have to (essentially) be removed manually by a moderator undoing the exception to the default?

I think there are more than five cases, because there is also a temporal (historical) aspect. I think the cleanest thing would be to get rid of the "P" altogether. As you yourself point out, Shal, an owner of a moderated group knows their group is unmoderated (and vice-versa). So anyone without the "M" designation would be an exception to that. 

J




locked Re: "P" next to member name

 

Vickie,

" M " Will newbie members be able to read messages anyway?
Yes, of course (if any member can, that is). The status badges I'm talking about refer only to posting privileges, not to what they can access.

... ideally they should not be able to read the group forum or members
emails or receive group messages. until status is changed to P.
In my group privacy is very important and members emails is very
important to them to keep private the group private until the member
shows participation with the group.
It sounds like you should simply not approve those "members", if they shouldn't be given access to group messages or other resources. I'm unclear on how they then show participation, but that's more a group management question than a product features question.

Or maybe what you're looking for is a kind of "probationary" membership. Something more than a non-member or pending member, but with fewer access rights than a permanent member. That would be something novel, I haven't thought about what that might mean.

It is possible that you can get this kind of feature by using a subgroup for "permanent" members - you could add someone to the subgroup only when they've exhibited "good" behavior in the main group. Access to messages (and other resources) in the subgroup can be restricted to subgroup members.


-- Shal
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


locked Re: "P" next to member name

vickie <vickie_00@...>
 

You might as well unmoderate them if they are able to receive group messages and read the forum..

They don't have to participate with the forum, they can just contact the member directly to the  members accounts.
 

Vickie

 








From: Ro <recarlton@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] "P" next to member name

We would then need a separate designation, because I am ok with moderated members reading posts.


Ro




Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 00:25:13 +0000
From: vickie_00@...
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] "P" next to member name

Shal >>>>P' ~ may post without moderation,
                   'M' ~ posts will be moderated, and 
                    'NP' ~ not allowed to post. 


 
" M "  Will  newbie members be able to read messages anyway?
 I prefer they not see group messages until they have P status
From experience newbie members  won't bother to reply   to  the questionnaire sent to them
upon joining  because some just want  to  get the group  members emails in the forum. 

M  though they are moderated   ideally they should not be able to read the group forum or members emails
or receive group messages. until status   is  changed to P 
In my group privacy is very important and members emails is very important to them to keep private  the group private until the member
shows participation with the group.


 
Vickie




From: Shal Farley <shals2nd@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] "P" next to member name

[Edited Message Follows]
[Reason: The badges on the My Groups page currently match those on the Members list.]

J,

> So in a group that is all moderated, does an unmoderated member have a
> 'P' next to their name?

In any kind of group, a member with the "Not moderated" override would have a 'P' next to their name.

> I just find it confusing to have a separate notation 'P' that really
> just means 'not M.'

'P' does not mean 'not M'.

There are five cases, all of which are of interest to a moderator looking at their Members list:

'P' = Override: not moderated,
'M' = Override: moderated,
'NuM' = Override: new user moderated,
'NP' = Override: not allowed to post, and of course
(blank) = Default group policy

Even in the case of a member looking at their Your Groups list, there are an irreducible three cases, if you combine the effect of group and individual settings:

'P' ~ may post without moderation,
'M' ~ posts will be moderated, and
'NP' ~ not allowed to post.

NOTE: the above meanings on the Your Groups list is a suggestion only. Currently they are implemented to exactly match your Posting Privilege in each group (the top five cases), unaltered by the group's settings. If you show no badge for a group, then you must refer to the group's settings to see how your posts would be handled.

-- Shal










locked Re: "P" next to member name

Ro
 

We would then need a separate designation, because I am ok with moderated members reading posts.


Ro




Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 00:25:13 +0000
From: vickie_00@...
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] "P" next to member name

Shal >>>>P' ~ may post without moderation,
                   'M' ~ posts will be moderated, and 
                    'NP' ~ not allowed to post. 


 
" M "  Will  newbie members be able to read messages anyway?
 I prefer they not see group messages until they have P status
From experience newbie members  won't bother to reply   to  the questionnaire sent to them
upon joining  because some just want  to  get the group  members emails in the forum. 

M  though they are moderated   ideally they should not be able to read the group forum or members emails
or receive group messages. until status   is  changed to P 
In my group privacy is very important and members emails is very important to them to keep private  the group private until the member
shows participation with the group.


 
Vickie




From: Shal Farley <shals2nd@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] "P" next to member name

[Edited Message Follows]
[Reason: The badges on the My Groups page currently match those on the Members list.]

J,

> So in a group that is all moderated, does an unmoderated member have a
> 'P' next to their name?

In any kind of group, a member with the "Not moderated" override would have a 'P' next to their name.

> I just find it confusing to have a separate notation 'P' that really
> just means 'not M.'

'P' does not mean 'not M'.

There are five cases, all of which are of interest to a moderator looking at their Members list:

'P' = Override: not moderated,
'M' = Override: moderated,
'NuM' = Override: new user moderated,
'NP' = Override: not allowed to post, and of course
(blank) = Default group policy

Even in the case of a member looking at their Your Groups list, there are an irreducible three cases, if you combine the effect of group and individual settings:

'P' ~ may post without moderation,
'M' ~ posts will be moderated, and
'NP' ~ not allowed to post.

NOTE: the above meanings on the Your Groups list is a suggestion only. Currently they are implemented to exactly match your Posting Privilege in each group (the top five cases), unaltered by the group's settings. If you show no badge for a group, then you must refer to the group's settings to see how your posts would be handled.

-- Shal







locked Re: "P" next to member name

vickie <vickie_00@...>
 

Shal >>>>P' ~ may post without moderation,
                   'M' ~ posts will be moderated, and 
                    'NP' ~ not allowed to post. 


 
" M "  Will  newbie members be able to read messages anyway?
 I prefer they not see group messages until they have P status
From experience newbie members  won't bother to reply   to  the questionnaire sent to them
upon joining  because some just want  to  get the group  members emails in the forum. 

M  though they are moderated   ideally they should not be able to read the group forum or members emails
or receive group messages. until status   is  changed to P 
In my group privacy is very important and members emails is very important to them to keep private  the group private until the member
shows participation with the group.


 
Vickie




From: Shal Farley <shals2nd@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] "P" next to member name

[Edited Message Follows]
[Reason: The badges on the My Groups page currently match those on the Members list.]

J,

> So in a group that is all moderated, does an unmoderated member have a
> 'P' next to their name?

In any kind of group, a member with the "Not moderated" override would have a 'P' next to their name.

> I just find it confusing to have a separate notation 'P' that really
> just means 'not M.'

'P' does not mean 'not M'.

There are five cases, all of which are of interest to a moderator looking at their Members list:

'P' = Override: not moderated,
'M' = Override: moderated,
'NuM' = Override: new user moderated,
'NP' = Override: not allowed to post, and of course
(blank) = Default group policy

Even in the case of a member looking at their Your Groups list, there are an irreducible three cases, if you combine the effect of group and individual settings:

'P' ~ may post without moderation,
'M' ~ posts will be moderated, and
'NP' ~ not allowed to post.

NOTE: the above meanings on the Your Groups list is a suggestion only. Currently they are implemented to exactly match your Posting Privilege in each group (the top five cases), unaltered by the group's settings. If you show no badge for a group, then you must refer to the group's settings to see how your posts would be handled.

-- Shal







locked Re: Early 2016 Roadmap

vickie <vickie_00@...>
 

 groetjes, Ronaldo....>>I agree (just don't see a place to thumb it up yet...)


Shal's gmf io group covers a lot of areas of group management.  
This is especially helpful  for newbie moderators needing help from experienced moderators.

Then there is group help . A place  you can turn to  if you experience  the  challenges,  problems running groups.
It can also be about bugs or errors  moderators experience and if they are not able to find the answer
to problems  present then  they can take it to Mark in the event there is a need for a  bug /code fix.. 


I feel the beta group should be about what new features, improvements   can be added to groups.

I am looking ahead

As groups start to grow in Marks io website the more the beta group questions, problems or request will grow.


I respect the work Mark does.. He is sits in my good list of decent hard working people.
 I feel bad Mark has to deal with so  much incoming mail in the beta group  on   questions that should  be  asked in 
Shals group or the help group.

Just saying.


Vickie










 
 


From: ro-esp <ro-esp@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 6:06 PM
Subject: [beta] Re: Early 2016 Roadmap

On Mon, Jan  4, 2016 at 12:43 pm, vickie <vickie_00@...> wrote:

> In my opinion I feel Moderators should be funneled to managers group. io  
> with   help questions about groups . 
>
> While the beta group should be about  group  improvements and  development
> request.

I agree (just don't see a place to thumb it up yet...). It makes sense to have one group to help moderators and another to discuss possible new features etc. I don't think the first should have the same name as one existing on yahoogroups.

                                                              groetjes, Ronaldo







locked Re: Early 2016 Roadmap

ro-esp
 

On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 12:43 pm, vickie <vickie_00@yahoo.com> wrote:

In my opinion I feel Moderators should be funneled to managers group. io  
with   help questions about groups . 

While the beta group should be about  group  improvements and  development
request.
I agree (just don't see a place to thumb it up yet...). It makes sense to have one group to help moderators and another to discuss possible new features etc. I don't think the first should have the same name as one existing on yahoogroups.

groetjes, Ronaldo


locked Re: "P" next to member name

 
Edited

J,

So in a group that is all moderated, does an unmoderated member have a
'P' next to their name?
In any kind of group, a member with the "Not moderated" override would have a 'P' next to their name.

I just find it confusing to have a separate notation 'P' that really
just means 'not M.'
'P' does not mean 'not M'.

There are five cases, all of which are of interest to a moderator looking at their Members list:

'P' = Override: not moderated,
'M' = Override: moderated,
'NuM' = Override: new user moderated,
'NP' = Override: not allowed to post, and of course
(blank) = Default group policy

Even in the case of a member looking at their Your Groups list, there are an irreducible three cases, if you combine the effect of group and individual settings:

'P' ~ may post without moderation,
'M' ~ posts will be moderated, and
'NP' ~ not allowed to post.

NOTE: the above meanings on the Your Groups list is a suggestion only. Currently they are implemented to exactly match your Posting Privilege in each group (the top five cases), unaltered by the group's settings. If you show no badge for a group, then you must refer to the group's settings to see how your posts would be handled.

-- Shal


locked Re: Database beta

Moshe Freedenberg <unclmoishy@...>
 

Just curious, do you have a web link feature in io like  yahoo groups that highlights someone's website

All the best,
 
Moshe 
 
02-572-5254
058-4824613


On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 12:24 AM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:
Mark,

> One use for the database feature will be in specifying a questionnaire
> for new users to fill out. You could set up a table that's only viewable
> to moderators, but that (pending) members can add rows to, and then in
> your Pending Member email, point people to it. I'd appreciate any
> thoughts you may have on how to make this easy to do.

I think Pending Members ought to be a separate selection from Members - except for the one table used as an admission questionnaire I probably wouldn't want a non-member to be able to add a row to any other table just because he/she applied to join the group.

Maybe that isn't a big problem (how would a pending member obtain a link to any other table), still...

-- Shal