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locked Re: Wiki

 

Hi Mark,
I'm using PBWorks wikis to document the history of Marconi Radar in a collaborative fashion.

I'm not competent to comment on the coding requirements, but here are my impressions as a user.

For me the way PBWorks does the change report is entirely adequate, viz. full detail of textual changes but "Only Formatting Differences" (undefined) where there has been no substantive change.

I also like the way PBWorks has the ability to opt for a sortable table with the sort being user-defined up or down by selected column.

HTH,
Ian

On 11 December 2014 at 23:23, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
Hi All,

I've been working on wiki functionality, but I'm stuck and I need some help deciding what to do. If you don't know what a wiki is or does, this post probably won't make much sense; apologies for that.

As I have it now, the wiki consists of HTML pages, editable with the standard wysiwyg editor that is used to compose posts on the site. I like this much better than other wikis that require you to know markdown or some other wiki formatting code. It feels right to me. But there are a couple issues.

First issue is that part of a wiki is the ability to show the differences between edits to a page, to see what's changed (aka a diff). Doing a diff on two HTML pages is problematic, and I'm not sure I can create a page that will show the differences nicely. It's much easier to do a diff on two pages that are composed using markdown or some other wiki formatting code. One solution to this is that when doing the diff I could first strip the HTML. That would show the differences in text, but not formatting. Another solution is that I could not use HTML and go instead with markdown or something else. But that makes creating wiki pages more difficult.

The second issue involves sortable tables. Ideally, I'd like the wiki section to take the place of both the Links and Database sections in Y! Groups. That feels like the right thing to do to me.. To do that, you need to be able to create tables and be able to sort them in different ways. Wikipedia has a sortable table that does just this; but they use their own formatting code to do it. Again, I can solve this problem by not using HTML pages and instead using a different markup format. The other solution is to not try to combine the wiki and links/database section; I'd create a separate, dedicated database section. This has its own set of plusses and minuses.

Those are the two issues I'm wrestling with at the moment. Thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated!

Thanks,
Mark



locked Re: Wiki

 

"Again, I can solve this problem by not using HTML pages and instead using a different markup format" - why not add a particular class to the HTML table and apply sortability to any table with the class?


locked Wiki

 

Hi All,

I've been working on wiki functionality, but I'm stuck and I need some help deciding what to do. If you don't know what a wiki is or does, this post probably won't make much sense; apologies for that.

As I have it now, the wiki consists of HTML pages, editable with the standard wysiwyg editor that is used to compose posts on the site. I like this much better than other wikis that require you to know markdown or some other wiki formatting code. It feels right to me. But there are a couple issues.

First issue is that part of a wiki is the ability to show the differences between edits to a page, to see what's changed (aka a diff). Doing a diff on two HTML pages is problematic, and I'm not sure I can create a page that will show the differences nicely. It's much easier to do a diff on two pages that are composed using markdown or some other wiki formatting code. One solution to this is that when doing the diff I could first strip the HTML. That would show the differences in text, but not formatting. Another solution is that I could not use HTML and go instead with markdown or something else. But that makes creating wiki pages more difficult.

The second issue involves sortable tables. Ideally, I'd like the wiki section to take the place of both the Links and Database sections in Y! Groups. That feels like the right thing to do to me.. To do that, you need to be able to create tables and be able to sort them in different ways. Wikipedia has a sortable table that does just this; but they use their own formatting code to do it. Again, I can solve this problem by not using HTML pages and instead using a different markup format. The other solution is to not try to combine the wiki and links/database section; I'd create a separate, dedicated database section. This has its own set of plusses and minuses.

Those are the two issues I'm wrestling with at the moment. Thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated!

Thanks,
Mark


 

Changes to the site today:

- Changed how we decode encoded emails. We are now more permissive and will ignore badly encoded parts of messages.
- Fixed a bug that collapsed messages in the archives with just a quoted section and no other section.
- Two fixes with bounce processing.
- Fixed one archived email that was originally incorrectly processed (from the bug fixed Friday).
- Some changes to the marketing text to include the newly launched Files section.


Mark


locked Re: Collapsing messages forwarded to a group

 

Thanks for the bug report. It's been fixed.

Mark

On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 5:48 AM, Chris Leong <walkraft@...> wrote:

Here we can see that the first message in this thread is collapsed when he forwarded a message to this list. I would think that this message shouldn't be collapsed.



locked Collapsing messages forwarded to a group

 

Here we can see that the first message in this thread is collapsed when he forwarded a message to this list. I would think that this message shouldn't be collapsed.


locked Re: Receiving own messages

 

I would support Shal in both points, viz. "Reflect Own Post" and "Moderate Me Too".

If there were a "Return my own posts: Never, If Edited, or Always" button I'd leave it on "Always" - the reflection is an indication that the post has been received and distributed; it could have failed without a bounce message being sent.

regards,
Ian

On 8 December 2014 at 00:18, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:
Chris,

> I noticed that when I post to a group I receive the email. That seems
> less than ideal.

To me that's expected behavior, and desired. Desired because a moderator may have edited the message while pending. I dislike using Gmail for mailing lists specifically because it tends to hide the returned message from me.

But I suppose that could be a subscription option: Return my own posts: Never, If Edited, or Always.

> Also, when I post to a moderated group, I have to approve my own messages.

You can always adjust your own Posting Privileges to Override the group policy (click on your own row in the Members list).

Again, that is something I value. It gives me a chance to review my message "one last time" to see if the content and tone are what I want them to be.

It isn't so much an issue these days, but at one time it was also important to make sure no malcontent (and no spambot or virus) had spoofed my email address and sent junk to the group in my name. That's embarrassing as a member, it can be _very_ embarrassing as a moderator.

-- Shal



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locked Re: Receiving own messages

 

Chris,

I noticed that when I post to a group I receive the email. That seems
less than ideal.
To me that's expected behavior, and desired. Desired because a moderator may have edited the message while pending. I dislike using Gmail for mailing lists specifically because it tends to hide the returned message from me.

But I suppose that could be a subscription option: Return my own posts: Never, If Edited, or Always.

Also, when I post to a moderated group, I have to approve my own messages.
You can always adjust your own Posting Privileges to Override the group policy (click on your own row in the Members list).

Again, that is something I value. It gives me a chance to review my message "one last time" to see if the content and tone are what I want them to be.

It isn't so much an issue these days, but at one time it was also important to make sure no malcontent (and no spambot or virus) had spoofed my email address and sent junk to the group in my name. That's embarrassing as a member, it can be _very_ embarrassing as a moderator.

-- Shal


locked Receiving own messages

 

I noticed that when I post to a group I receive the email. That seems less than ideal.

Also, when I post to a moderated group, I have to approve my own messages.


 

Changes to the site today:

- Changed the Files section so that clicking on files stored within it will return the file with the proper filename for web browsers to interpret.

- Changed the web server configuration to allow for file uploads up to 20mb in size.

- Fixed a bug in processing attachments that was causing some attachments to not show in the archives. Some additional work will need to be done to complete the fix for older messages.


Mark


locked Re: Love email aliases!

 

Great! :)

Mark

On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Frances <travel@...> wrote:

Just thinking it would be useful to be able to post from a different email address - and lo and behold, I can! Thanks, Mark. Easy to set up in Profile, and works perfectly.



locked Love email aliases!

Frances
 

Just thinking it would be useful to be able to post from a different email address - and lo and behold, I can! Thanks, Mark. Easy to set up in Profile, and works perfectly.


 

Changes to the site today:

- Pushed the Files section to the live site.

- Changed +owner behavior to just bounce the message to owners. The old behavior was to include a message at the top saying it was a message to the +owner address, which caused a lot of issues.

- Cleaned up the Send Invites screen and changed the wording to hopefully make it more clear.

- Changed all the buttons under messages (Reply/Edit/Delete) to links, for a cleaner appearance.


Mark



locked Re: Approval message for moderators

 

Hi Frances,

Thanks for the suggestion. I've added it to the todo list. And yes, embarrassingly, that Yahoo reference was a copy/paste slip-up. It's been fixed.

Thanks,
Mark

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Frances <travel@...> wrote:

I just dealt with a blog post that needed moderating on our travel site - it is part of integration. 

I have a suggestion to speed moderating and readability. I am assuming that the message to moderators is not set by our group, but by you.

We get this:

This message requires your approval for one of the following reasons:
* Your group is set to moderate all messages from this user, OR
* Your group is set to moderate messages from all users

To approve or reject this message using the web, please visit:
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/etc.

To approve this message using email, reply to this message. You do not
need to attach the original message, just reply and send.

To reject this message using email, forward this message to

1A-Travelzine+reject etc.

NOTE: The pending message will expire after 14 days. If you do not
take action within that time, the pending message will be automatically
rejected.  Yahoo Groups does this to maintain a high quality of
service for our users.

Thank you for choosing Groups.io

Cheers,


The Groups.io Team


Could the actions look something like this instead with bolding so we can scan the page?


To approve or reject this message using the web, please visit:

https://groups.io/org/groupsio/etc.


To approve this message using email, reply to this message. You do not

need to attach the original message, just reply and send.


To reject this message using email, forward this message to

1A-Travelzine+reject tc.


NOTE: The pending message will expire after 14 days. If you do not

take action within that time, the pending message will be automatically

rejected.  Yahoo Groups does this to maintain a high quality of

service for our users.


ETC.

I am a bit puzzled by Yahoo Groups in the Note. A slip up or something to do with integration?

Cheers,

Frances




locked Files section

 

All,

I just pushed the new Files section to the live site. It should be pretty self explanatory. It has the same permissions types as the Calendar. Moderators have a new notification check box to indicate that they are to receive notifications when the file space is full. At the moment, no notifications will be sent if that happens; I'm still working on that.

The disk space used is calculated over the group and any sub groups, and includes all space taken up by attachments in the archives and files uploaded to the Files section. I have not decided how to handle the situation where a group is over its' disk space allocation and someone sends a message with an attachment, but I'm leaning towards bouncing the message back to the sender with an error message.

All operations in the Files section are logged in the Activity log.

I'll announce this on updates next week. Please let me know if you have any suggestions for improvements or bug reports.

Thanks!
Mark


locked Approval message for moderators

Frances
 

I just dealt with a blog post that needed moderating on our travel site - it is part of integration. 

I have a suggestion to speed moderating and readability. I am assuming that the message to moderators is not set by our group, but by you.

We get this:

This message requires your approval for one of the following reasons:
* Your group is set to moderate all messages from this user, OR
* Your group is set to moderate messages from all users

To approve or reject this message using the web, please visit:
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/etc.

To approve this message using email, reply to this message. You do not
need to attach the original message, just reply and send.

To reject this message using email, forward this message to

1A-Travelzine+reject etc.

NOTE: The pending message will expire after 14 days. If you do not
take action within that time, the pending message will be automatically
rejected.  Yahoo Groups does this to maintain a high quality of
service for our users.

Thank you for choosing Groups.io

Cheers,


The Groups.io Team


Could the actions look something like this instead with bolding so we can scan the page?


To approve or reject this message using the web, please visit:

https://groups.io/org/groupsio/etc.


To approve this message using email, reply to this message. You do not

need to attach the original message, just reply and send.


To reject this message using email, forward this message to

1A-Travelzine+reject tc.


NOTE: The pending message will expire after 14 days. If you do not

take action within that time, the pending message will be automatically

rejected.  Yahoo Groups does this to maintain a high quality of

service for our users.


ETC.

I am a bit puzzled by Yahoo Groups in the Note. A slip up or something to do with integration?

Cheers,

Frances



 

These updates happened over the past week:

- Fixed html escaping in snippets in profile display
- Fixed privacy issues around profile display showing messages from private groups
- Fixed the cancel button on the group leave page
- Fixed two separate problems with digest creation
- Added Reply/Edit/Delete buttons in expanded message view
- Fixed bug with attachments in normal message view


Mark


locked Re: Email messages to list-owners and moderators

 

Hi Frances,

Nothing's changed on our end, and as far as I remember, we don't change the subject line like that. If you'd like to forward one of the messages to markf@corp.groups.io, I can take a look at it.

Thanks,
Mark

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 5:26 AM, Frances <travel@...> wrote:

I am not sure whether it is a configuration issue or my email program, but messages today from me to the moderators were relayed to the moderators  (and thus to my inbox) as raw. 

Additionally, the subject line was  changed to "Message from moderators". That is not helpful! 

I am a group moderator and use Apple Mail 8.1




locked Email messages to list-owners and moderators

Frances
 

I am not sure whether it is a configuration issue or my email program, but messages today from me to the moderators were relayed to the moderators  (and thus to my inbox) as raw. 

Additionally, the subject line was  changed to "Message from moderators". That is not helpful! 

I am a group moderator and use Apple Mail 8.1



locked Re: Bug in message formatting - strikethrough doesn't "stick".

 

I wrote:

Yahoo used to publish in a help page the whitelist of HTML tags that it
would allow in Group descriptions and messages. It applied that
whitelist even to message bodies passed through as individual messages.
They took down that help page a few years ago and replaced it with "try
it and see, you're on your own if it doesn't work".
I stand corrected, the explicit list is back.

"Using HTML or CSS in Yahoo Groups messages"
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/groups/SLN2506.html

The last time I looked for it I only found this one:

"Customer Care does not provide support for using HTML or other scripts in Yahoo Groups"
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/groups/SLN4501.html

-- Shal