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locked Site #changelog

 

Changes to the site today:

- Pushed the Files section to the live site.

- Changed +owner behavior to just bounce the message to owners. The old behavior was to include a message at the top saying it was a message to the +owner address, which caused a lot of issues.

- Cleaned up the Send Invites screen and changed the wording to hopefully make it more clear.

- Changed all the buttons under messages (Reply/Edit/Delete) to links, for a cleaner appearance.


Mark



locked Re: Approval message for moderators

 

Hi Frances,

Thanks for the suggestion. I've added it to the todo list. And yes, embarrassingly, that Yahoo reference was a copy/paste slip-up. It's been fixed.

Thanks,
Mark

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Frances <travel@...> wrote:

I just dealt with a blog post that needed moderating on our travel site - it is part of integration. 

I have a suggestion to speed moderating and readability. I am assuming that the message to moderators is not set by our group, but by you.

We get this:

This message requires your approval for one of the following reasons:
* Your group is set to moderate all messages from this user, OR
* Your group is set to moderate messages from all users

To approve or reject this message using the web, please visit:
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/etc.

To approve this message using email, reply to this message. You do not
need to attach the original message, just reply and send.

To reject this message using email, forward this message to

1A-Travelzine+reject etc.

NOTE: The pending message will expire after 14 days. If you do not
take action within that time, the pending message will be automatically
rejected.  Yahoo Groups does this to maintain a high quality of
service for our users.

Thank you for choosing Groups.io

Cheers,


The Groups.io Team


Could the actions look something like this instead with bolding so we can scan the page?


To approve or reject this message using the web, please visit:

https://groups.io/org/groupsio/etc.


To approve this message using email, reply to this message. You do not

need to attach the original message, just reply and send.


To reject this message using email, forward this message to

1A-Travelzine+reject tc.


NOTE: The pending message will expire after 14 days. If you do not

take action within that time, the pending message will be automatically

rejected.  Yahoo Groups does this to maintain a high quality of

service for our users.


ETC.

I am a bit puzzled by Yahoo Groups in the Note. A slip up or something to do with integration?

Cheers,

Frances




locked Files section

 

All,

I just pushed the new Files section to the live site. It should be pretty self explanatory. It has the same permissions types as the Calendar. Moderators have a new notification check box to indicate that they are to receive notifications when the file space is full. At the moment, no notifications will be sent if that happens; I'm still working on that.

The disk space used is calculated over the group and any sub groups, and includes all space taken up by attachments in the archives and files uploaded to the Files section. I have not decided how to handle the situation where a group is over its' disk space allocation and someone sends a message with an attachment, but I'm leaning towards bouncing the message back to the sender with an error message.

All operations in the Files section are logged in the Activity log.

I'll announce this on updates next week. Please let me know if you have any suggestions for improvements or bug reports.

Thanks!
Mark


locked Approval message for moderators

Frances
 

I just dealt with a blog post that needed moderating on our travel site - it is part of integration. 

I have a suggestion to speed moderating and readability. I am assuming that the message to moderators is not set by our group, but by you.

We get this:

This message requires your approval for one of the following reasons:
* Your group is set to moderate all messages from this user, OR
* Your group is set to moderate messages from all users

To approve or reject this message using the web, please visit:
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/etc.

To approve this message using email, reply to this message. You do not
need to attach the original message, just reply and send.

To reject this message using email, forward this message to

1A-Travelzine+reject etc.

NOTE: The pending message will expire after 14 days. If you do not
take action within that time, the pending message will be automatically
rejected.  Yahoo Groups does this to maintain a high quality of
service for our users.

Thank you for choosing Groups.io

Cheers,


The Groups.io Team


Could the actions look something like this instead with bolding so we can scan the page?


To approve or reject this message using the web, please visit:

https://groups.io/org/groupsio/etc.


To approve this message using email, reply to this message. You do not

need to attach the original message, just reply and send.


To reject this message using email, forward this message to

1A-Travelzine+reject tc.


NOTE: The pending message will expire after 14 days. If you do not

take action within that time, the pending message will be automatically

rejected.  Yahoo Groups does this to maintain a high quality of

service for our users.


ETC.

I am a bit puzzled by Yahoo Groups in the Note. A slip up or something to do with integration?

Cheers,

Frances



locked Site #changelog

 

These updates happened over the past week:

- Fixed html escaping in snippets in profile display
- Fixed privacy issues around profile display showing messages from private groups
- Fixed the cancel button on the group leave page
- Fixed two separate problems with digest creation
- Added Reply/Edit/Delete buttons in expanded message view
- Fixed bug with attachments in normal message view


Mark


locked Re: Email messages to list-owners and moderators

 

Hi Frances,

Nothing's changed on our end, and as far as I remember, we don't change the subject line like that. If you'd like to forward one of the messages to markf@corp.groups.io, I can take a look at it.

Thanks,
Mark

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 5:26 AM, Frances <travel@...> wrote:

I am not sure whether it is a configuration issue or my email program, but messages today from me to the moderators were relayed to the moderators  (and thus to my inbox) as raw. 

Additionally, the subject line was  changed to "Message from moderators". That is not helpful! 

I am a group moderator and use Apple Mail 8.1




locked Email messages to list-owners and moderators

Frances
 

I am not sure whether it is a configuration issue or my email program, but messages today from me to the moderators were relayed to the moderators  (and thus to my inbox) as raw. 

Additionally, the subject line was  changed to "Message from moderators". That is not helpful! 

I am a group moderator and use Apple Mail 8.1



locked Re: Bug in message formatting - strikethrough doesn't "stick".

 

I wrote:

Yahoo used to publish in a help page the whitelist of HTML tags that it
would allow in Group descriptions and messages. It applied that
whitelist even to message bodies passed through as individual messages.
They took down that help page a few years ago and replaced it with "try
it and see, you're on your own if it doesn't work".
I stand corrected, the explicit list is back.

"Using HTML or CSS in Yahoo Groups messages"
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/groups/SLN2506.html

The last time I looked for it I only found this one:

"Customer Care does not provide support for using HTML or other scripts in Yahoo Groups"
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/groups/SLN4501.html

-- Shal


locked Update

 

Hey All,

Unfortunately, I couldn't get the Files section finished up and launched in the time I had hoped. With Thanksgiving, I won't be able to finish it until next week. 

For those of you in America, have a good Thanksgiving.. And for everyone else, I hope you have a great Thursday!

Mark


locked Re: View selections

Linda
 

Thank YOU, Mark, that's perfect!
 
Linda

Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] View selections

Linda,

I just pushed to the site the ability to edit/delete/reply to messages while in the expanded message view.

Thanks,
Mark

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Linda Star-Freedman <donlin2@...> wrote:
Hi Mark,
Hope you plan to allow editing/deleting of the expanded messages...?
Thanks,
Linda
 


locked Re: View selections

 

Linda,

I just pushed to the site the ability to edit/delete/reply to messages while in the expanded message view.

Thanks,
Mark

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Linda Star-Freedman <donlin2@...> wrote:
Hi Mark,
Hope you plan to allow editing/deleting of the expanded messages...?
Thanks,
Linda
 


locked Re: Seeing the group members list and email addresses

L Jade <ljade2011@...>
 

Thanks Mark.  Excellent information.  And the fact that the groups.io Owners can control the access to member lists as you described is a great feature!


From: Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Seeing the group members list and email addresses

(Replying only to beta, since this email address isn't subscribed to GMF).

Howdy and welcome to beta. Access to member lists is controlled by the group owner(s); options include allowing subscribers to see the member list, restricting it to moderators and owners only, or restricting it to just owners.

We do not do any obscuring of email addresses in the emails that get sent to the group, except in the case where DMARC comes into play (you have a Yahoo email address, so we have to change the From header of any email you send through the group, for example). We do obscure all email addresses in the archives.

Mark



On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 1:36 PM, L Jade via GROUPS.IO <user+470@groups.io> wrote:
I noticed that in all of the Public Groups, anyone can join and anyone who joins can see the email addresses of everyone else who is in the group.

Does it work the same way for a Restricted Group? -- meaning that once I join (assuming that I am accepted into the group), I will be able to see the email addresses of everyone in the group and everyone else in the group will be able to see my email address?  Is there a way for Owners and Moderators to hide the email addresses so they won't be visible to everyone else in the group?

I am going to try posting these questions in the beta group also.  And, I am going to try it by ""cross-posting" to both groups at the same time by including both group posting addresses in the "To:" part of the email that I send.

Thanks.




locked Re: Seeing the group members list and email addresses

 

(Replying only to beta, since this email address isn't subscribed to GMF).

Howdy and welcome to beta. Access to member lists is controlled by the group owner(s); options include allowing subscribers to see the member list, restricting it to moderators and owners only, or restricting it to just owners.

We do not do any obscuring of email addresses in the emails that get sent to the group, except in the case where DMARC comes into play (you have a Yahoo email address, so we have to change the From header of any email you send through the group, for example). We do obscure all email addresses in the archives.

Mark

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 1:36 PM, L Jade via GROUPS.IO <user+470@groups.io> wrote:
I noticed that in all of the Public Groups, anyone can join and anyone who joins can see the email addresses of everyone else who is in the group.

Does it work the same way for a Restricted Group? -- meaning that once I join (assuming that I am accepted into the group), I will be able to see the email addresses of everyone in the group and everyone else in the group will be able to see my email address?  Is there a way for Owners and Moderators to hide the email addresses so they won't be visible to everyone else in the group?

I am going to try posting these questions in the beta group also.  And, I am going to try it by ""cross-posting" to both groups at the same time by including both group posting addresses in the "To:" part of the email that I send.

Thanks.



locked Seeing the group members list and email addresses

L Jade <ljade2011@...>
 

I noticed that in all of the Public Groups, anyone can join and anyone who joins can see the email addresses of everyone else who is in the group.

Does it work the same way for a Restricted Group? -- meaning that once I join (assuming that I am accepted into the group), I will be able to see the email addresses of everyone in the group and everyone else in the group will be able to see my email address?  Is there a way for Owners and Moderators to hide the email addresses so they won't be visible to everyone else in the group?

I am going to try posting these questions in the beta group also.  And, I am going to try it by ""cross-posting" to both groups at the same time by including both group posting addresses in the "To:" part of the email that I send.

Thanks.


locked Re: Digest problems

 

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 8:22 AM, <whofanvidme@...> wrote:

I'm on digest for this group and have received about five copies of the first two messages in this thread as well as two copies (so far) featuring the responses. None of my other groups have had messages added recently, so I don't know if it's a general problem or not.

_._,_._
There were two different issues with digest generation over the past couple nights. I didn't think they would have resulted in extra digests being sent, which is why I didn't mention anything, but apparently I was wrong. Things have been fixed, and you shouldn't see any additional extra digests.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: View selections

 

I'm on digest for this group and have received about five copies of the first two messages in this thread as well as two copies (so far) featuring the responses. None of my other groups have had messages added recently, so I don't know if it's a general problem or not.


locked Re: View selections

ro-esp
 

Shal wrote:


> I wouldn't want to have to go to the Subscription page to switch the Archive View between "Threads" and "Messages", nor to flip the date           > sorting  order; I believe those (and the new controls I suggested) properly belong "in situ" - easily accessible on the page they control.


I agree with that. The main thing for me would be the ability to read either threads or all messages in chronological order, that is, from old to new and not the other way around (like it is in facebook)

                                                                                           groetjes, Ronaldo                                                                                        


locked Re: View selections

Linda
 

Hi Mark,
Hope you plan to allow editing/deleting of the expanded messages...?
Thanks,
Linda
 

Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] View selections

Hey All,

I have been paying attention to the discussion, but I'm not sure yet what the right answer for all this is. But I did just add an option in archives for 'Expanded Message View' which gets you the individual messages displayed in date order.

Mark

On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:
LAurence,

> I don't mind a settings page, as long as it's easy to find and use.

I don't mind a settings pages either, they are perfectly appropriate for some controls.

In Groups.io examples would be the controls in one's "Edit Profile" pages, or the choice of Email Delivery in one's Subscription page.

But I wouldn't want to have to go to the Subscription page to switch the Archive View between "Threads" and "Messages", nor to flip the date sorting order; I believe those (and the new controls I suggested) properly belong "in situ" - easily accessible on the page they control.

It can be even better if they are direct affordances, rather than choices in a menu. This can be subtle (the fact that the "Date" button immediately flips the order, rather than opening a menu where you need a second click to select "latest" or "oldest" first).

Or it can be more integrated. Such as having a movable bar on the screen that separates the message list from the preview of the selected message - and being able to turn off preview by simply sliding that bar all the way to the edge of the window. No menu needed.

But I'm not really a UI/UX expert, so I'll just throw the ideas out there without claiming that they are certainly the best (or even a better) way to do it. Sometimes it is more important to do things in a consistent fashion than to do a particular thing in the "slickest" fashion. A coherent UI goes a long way to making a site feel natural and easy to use, even if it has lots of powerful capabilities.

That's a lesson Yahoo badly failed in the Neo redesign. Every type of list of messages (pending, possible spam, archive, search results, and pending Pinboard posts when that existed) has a different appearance and different affordances for viewing, navigating, and interacting with the messages. That tends to make a site feel complex even when it can't actually do much.

-- Shal



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locked Re: View selections

 

Hey All,

I have been paying attention to the discussion, but I'm not sure yet what the right answer for all this is. But I did just add an option in archives for 'Expanded Message View' which gets you the individual messages displayed in date order.

Mark

On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:
LAurence,

> I don't mind a settings page, as long as it's easy to find and use.

I don't mind a settings pages either, they are perfectly appropriate for some controls.

In Groups.io examples would be the controls in one's "Edit Profile" pages, or the choice of Email Delivery in one's Subscription page.

But I wouldn't want to have to go to the Subscription page to switch the Archive View between "Threads" and "Messages", nor to flip the date sorting order; I believe those (and the new controls I suggested) properly belong "in situ" - easily accessible on the page they control.

It can be even better if they are direct affordances, rather than choices in a menu. This can be subtle (the fact that the "Date" button immediately flips the order, rather than opening a menu where you need a second click to select "latest" or "oldest" first).

Or it can be more integrated. Such as having a movable bar on the screen that separates the message list from the preview of the selected message - and being able to turn off preview by simply sliding that bar all the way to the edge of the window. No menu needed.

But I'm not really a UI/UX expert, so I'll just throw the ideas out there without claiming that they are certainly the best (or even a better) way to do it. Sometimes it is more important to do things in a consistent fashion than to do a particular thing in the "slickest" fashion. A coherent UI goes a long way to making a site feel natural and easy to use, even if it has lots of powerful capabilities.

That's a lesson Yahoo badly failed in the Neo redesign. Every type of list of messages (pending, possible spam, archive, search results, and pending Pinboard posts when that existed) has a different appearance and different affordances for viewing, navigating, and interacting with the messages. That tends to make a site feel complex even when it can't actually do much.

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locked Re: View selections

 

LAurence,

I don't mind a settings page, as long as it's easy to find and use.
I don't mind a settings pages either, they are perfectly appropriate for some controls.

In Groups.io examples would be the controls in one's "Edit Profile" pages, or the choice of Email Delivery in one's Subscription page.

But I wouldn't want to have to go to the Subscription page to switch the Archive View between "Threads" and "Messages", nor to flip the date sorting order; I believe those (and the new controls I suggested) properly belong "in situ" - easily accessible on the page they control.

It can be even better if they are direct affordances, rather than choices in a menu. This can be subtle (the fact that the "Date" button immediately flips the order, rather than opening a menu where you need a second click to select "latest" or "oldest" first).

Or it can be more integrated. Such as having a movable bar on the screen that separates the message list from the preview of the selected message - and being able to turn off preview by simply sliding that bar all the way to the edge of the window. No menu needed.

But I'm not really a UI/UX expert, so I'll just throw the ideas out there without claiming that they are certainly the best (or even a better) way to do it. Sometimes it is more important to do things in a consistent fashion than to do a particular thing in the "slickest" fashion. A coherent UI goes a long way to making a site feel natural and easy to use, even if it has lots of powerful capabilities.

That's a lesson Yahoo badly failed in the Neo redesign. Every type of list of messages (pending, possible spam, archive, search results, and pending Pinboard posts when that existed) has a different appearance and different affordances for viewing, navigating, and interacting with the messages. That tends to make a site feel complex even when it can't actually do much.

-- Shal