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locked non-members posting how?

ro-esp
 

As far as I can remember, the ideas where that non-members could send messages to a special email-adress like "nameofthegroup-consult@groups.io", such messages would be moderated, and that they'd receive all messages of the thread they started.

How much of that is implemented?

And do regular members see which messages come from non-members?


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I was playing this morning and came up with a suggestion. It would be nice to be able to break the Download Archives into pieces. One of my groups, started 1/14/15, already has over 3000 posts, resulting in a download over 5MB in size. That's not a major burden, but I can see it getting much larger quite easily. (One of the Yahoo groups I was on was at almost a gig when I left.) Having the option of the post # to start and stop, or having it in fixed size chunks, would certainly be welcome at that point.


locked Re: Download member list question with Windows

Linda
 

Hi Mark,
I think you’re the greatest! 
Thank you so much. 
Linda
 

Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Download member list question with Windows
 
I just pushed a change to the site so that downloading the member list should now have proper linefeeds on Windows machines (ie. all the lines won't run together). I also removed a bunch of unnecessary quotes around the numeric fields. Please let me know what you think.
 
Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Download member list question with Windows

 

I just pushed a change to the site so that downloading the member list should now have proper linefeeds on Windows machines (ie. all the lines won't run together). I also removed a bunch of unnecessary quotes around the numeric fields. Please let me know what you think.

Thanks,
Mark


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locked Re: Allowing non-subscribers to post

 

Hi All,

I just pushed the changes to the live site. You can now toggle Allow Non Subscribers To Post in the group Settings menu. Please let me know if you see anything amiss; I tested everything, but a lot of code was changed. If there are any bugs, they'd most likely be in the archive pages on the site.

Also, emails sent to an email integration will now have the original From line. Previously, we had to re-write the From to an integration address, which was not great. Of course, the Allow Non Subs To Post setting may obviate the need for some email integrations.

Cheers,
Mark


locked Re: Allowing non-subscribers to post

vickie <vickie_00@...>
 

 Your replies are clear and   I see the good points  to your explanation.
Thanks Shal..

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Vickie

 








From: Shal Farley <shal@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Allowing non-subscribers to post

Vickie,

> Any reason you can't use a *help desk* *email* created for each group
> shared by all moderators of that group?
> It can be placed next to the join option?

Even though there are links in the footer of each email message, most of
the people I'm concerned with probably wouldn't notice those links and
may not trust them even if they do see them. Such people wouldn't find
the help desk.

> Do you think it would look more professional with a help desk email
> on the front page?

There are already the Group Owner and Help addresses listed on every
group's front page. The +help address gets an automated response that
pretty much repeats what's on the front page. The +owner address gets
forwarded to all moderators and owners.

I can imagine creating a "Help Desk" button that combines those two
ideas, but operates on the web interface rather than simply being
mailto: links.. But that would be a whole new topic.

-- Shal






locked yahoogroup message archive transfer?

Green Fizzpops
 

Hi

I own a 10 year old support yahoogroup of about 300 members and 10 moderators. We've been experiencing more and more broken functionality lately so I've been looking for alternatives and found groups.io and it looks awesome.

I've read up on the easy group membership transfer, which is nifty.

My question is : is it possible to transfer the message archive? It is pretty valuable to us. I'd be happy with just copying over all the first posts (not replies) of the 10 moderators and the owner address as a bare minimum. I have all group emails from july 2005 to april 2007 in a folder of a yahoomail account and all group emails under a label of a gmail account from april 2007 to present day. I saw tantalising mention of using hashtags to silently "load" messages into a group, but could not find further details?


Green


locked Re: Allowing non-subscribers to post

 

Vickie,

Any reason you can't use a *help desk* *email* created for each group
shared by all moderators of that group?
It can be placed next to the join option?
Even though there are links in the footer of each email message, most of the people I'm concerned with probably wouldn't notice those links and may not trust them even if they do see them. Such people wouldn't find the help desk.

Do you think it would look more professional with a help desk email
on the front page?
There are already the Group Owner and Help addresses listed on every group's front page. The +help address gets an automated response that pretty much repeats what's on the front page. The +owner address gets forwarded to all moderators and owners.

I can imagine creating a "Help Desk" button that combines those two ideas, but operates on the web interface rather than simply being mailto: links. But that would be a whole new topic.

-- Shal


locked Re: Allowing non-subscribers to post

vickie <vickie_00@...>
 

Vickie > even respond privately to members with a different email?

I thought, your concern was also for  stopping a spammer before approving membership
and or just to answer help questions
I see though it works for both.. help questions and possible spammer

Thanks Shal Vickie
 

´
Vickie

 





 


From: Shal Farley <shal@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Allowing non-subscribers to post

Vickie,

> What if they don't use a different email and you approve their
> membership.

I'm not sure what you're asking. That sounds like the normal case.

> If you decide to approve a newbie membership as a member now will
> they be able to post with a different email anyway ...

That's correct. It hasn't been that uncommon for members of my alumni
groups to switch email providers without telling me and without changing
their subscription. Allowing messages from their new (as yet
unsubscribed) addresses into the pending list allows me to help them get
their subscription straightened out.

> even respond privately to members with a different email?

What they do with private email is not something I can even know about,
much less control, unless someone tells me that they are getting private
messages. I don't see how this relates to the non-subscriber posting
feature.

-- Shal







locked Re: Allowing non-subscribers to post

 

On 17 Sep 2015 at 12:56, Cacky B wrote:

However, there is occasional correspondence from someone in a regional
or national arm that is directed to the entire local group.  These are
not people who need to be members of the group, nor would they want
to. 
I'll use it too, for similar reasons. Thanks for getting it done Mark!

I have outside resources that periodically send announcements that are
useful to the group. They could send to an email integration, but they
have to put the long, strange address in their distribution list.

I've been bouncing messages to the email integration address, but I have
to use an address that isn't already subscribed to the group.

Having non-members post messages as long as they are moderated
works great for me. And like Shal said, I had almost zero messages from
spammers when I allowed anyone to post on Y!G.

--
Jim
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vickie <vickie_00@...>
 

> What if they don't use a different email and you approve their
> membership. 
In other words they can join with one email , never use the other email they own then use it
once membership is approved..
The reason for my question you answered here
>>>>>´ Allowing messages from their new (as yet 
unsubscribed) addresses into the pending list allows me to help them get 
their subscription straightened out.<<<<
 Any reason you can't use a help desk email created  for each  group shared by all moderators of that group?
  
It can be placed next to the join option?

Do you think it would look more professional with a help desk email on the front page?
Just asking questions


Vickie

 






locked Re: Allowing non-subscribers to post

 

Vickie,

What if they don't use a different email and you approve their
membership.
I'm not sure what you're asking. That sounds like the normal case.

If you decide to approve a newbie membership as a member now will
they be able to post with a different email anyway ...
That's correct. It hasn't been that uncommon for members of my alumni groups to switch email providers without telling me and without changing their subscription. Allowing messages from their new (as yet unsubscribed) addresses into the pending list allows me to help them get their subscription straightened out.

even respond privately to members with a different email?
What they do with private email is not something I can even know about, much less control, unless someone tells me that they are getting private messages. I don't see how this relates to the non-subscriber posting feature.

-- Shal


locked Re: Allowing non-subscribers to post

Cacky B
 

This will be a very useful feature for one of my groups.  Most of our correspondence is between members of a small local group that is part of a larger organization.  However, there is occasional correspondence from someone in a regional or national arm that is directed to the entire local group.  These are not people who need to be members of the group, nor would they want to.  However, getting that correspondence from this is important.  This group was originally set up on yahoogroups, and we had zero problem with spammers.  However, since making the change to groups.io, we couldn't receive this correspondence.  I solved the problem by leaving the group on yahoogroups, but deleting all members but myself.  I then received anything that came through that channel, and forwarded to the group.  This saves me that step.  All I have to do is check the message and approve it.

Many thanks, Mark

Cacky

On 9/16/2015 11:52 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Hi All,

I've spent the last week implementing this feature. There will be a checkbox in Settings, that if checked, will allow non subscribers to post to your group. The posts will be moderated/require your approval before they're posted to your group. And the default for this setting will be OFF. 

It took a bunch of work, because the code was originally written assuming that each message belonged to a subscriber.. But it's worth it; I think this will be a good feature for some groups.

A long time ago we talked about 'guest subscriptions' (see here: https://trello.com/c/C1rL9msW/11-guest-subscriptions), and this change will help make that a possibility. The question I have is about making these people subscribers and specifically, what options should I have in the pending message approval page for this.

If we go with the current guest subscription proposal, in addition to the normal 'Approve' button when viewing a pending message, there'd be a 'Approve & Subscribe' button, which would create a subscription for the person and set that subscription to only receive replies to their message. Should there also be an option to create a full/normal subscription?

As part of this, anyone who is subscribed this way will have to reply to a confirmation email to verify that they want the subscription. I could, through that, allow them to decide whether to only receive replies to their email or to have a full subscription. That would obviate the need for another Approve & Subscribe button. Thoughts?

Also, is it important to have these subscriptions marked as special in the member lists, like the proposal states?

Thanks,
Mark




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locked Re: Allowing non-subscribers to post

vickie <vickie_00@...>
 

>>>1) Member subscribes with one email address, but then posts from
another. Without this feature they get a "You are not a member" bounce
message. 

Shal 
What if they don't use a different email and you approve their membership.

If you   decide to  approve a newbie  membership   as a member  now will  they be  able to post with a different email anyway even respond privately to members with a different email?



 

´
Vickie

 






From: Shal Farley <shal@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Allowing non-subscribers to post

Judy,

> ... but if for whatever reason it was turned on by mistake that could
> be a real mess on some groups.

Same is true of a lot of the options, especially the ones that can't be
reversed. At least this one you could reverse after such an accident (or
after a deliberate trial).

And, since the non-member postings are moderated, any mess that happens
is constrained to the pending queue, not posted to the group. Unless a
moderator thinks they're ok.

> What was the reason for doing this? It must have been discussed quite
> a while ago, because I don’t remember it.

I was one of the people requesting it. I use this feature on some of my
smaller Yahoo Groups for a variety of reasons, but mostly it revolves
around giving a friendly response to people who should become members,
or are members but made a mistake. A couple examples:

1) Member subscribes with one email address, but then posts from
another. Without this feature they get a "You are not a member" bounce
message. Then they write me (if they know my email address, or figure
out how to use the -owner address) and ask why they can't post when
they've already been made a member. Usually it takes a few
back-and-forth messages to figure out what happened.

That situation can be straightened out, but it goes much smoother if I
have this feature: then I can respond back to their initial message with
personalized instructions as to what to do next (send from the
subscribed address, add an alternate posting address, subscribe under
the second address, etc.).

2) Member forwards a group message to someone else they think should
join. That person then sends to the posting address because it is the
only address they see for the group.

Again, without the feature they get an unfriendly "not a member" bounce
message. With this feature I can respond to them, find out if they do
qualify to be a member, and give them assistance.

> What is going to keep spammers from being one of these
> non-subscribers?

Nothing, in the case of humans using legit email services to spam the
group. But in my experience of several years with groups that allow
non-subscribers to post this has been an almost non-existent problem.

Whatever checks Yahoo has in place to ensure that messages are actually
from who they say their from, those checks have been very effective in
keeping robo-spam out of my groups' Pending folder (and -owner address
as well).

-- Shal





locked Re: Allowing non-subscribers to post

 

Judy,

... but if for whatever reason it was turned on by mistake that could
be a real mess on some groups.
Same is true of a lot of the options, especially the ones that can't be
reversed. At least this one you could reverse after such an accident (or
after a deliberate trial).

And, since the non-member postings are moderated, any mess that happens
is constrained to the pending queue, not posted to the group. Unless a
moderator thinks they're ok.

What was the reason for doing this? It must have been discussed quite
a while ago, because I don’t remember it.
I was one of the people requesting it. I use this feature on some of my
smaller Yahoo Groups for a variety of reasons, but mostly it revolves
around giving a friendly response to people who should become members,
or are members but made a mistake. A couple examples:

1) Member subscribes with one email address, but then posts from
another. Without this feature they get a "You are not a member" bounce
message. Then they write me (if they know my email address, or figure
out how to use the -owner address) and ask why they can't post when
they've already been made a member. Usually it takes a few
back-and-forth messages to figure out what happened.

That situation can be straightened out, but it goes much smoother if I
have this feature: then I can respond back to their initial message with
personalized instructions as to what to do next (send from the
subscribed address, add an alternate posting address, subscribe under
the second address, etc.).

2) Member forwards a group message to someone else they think should
join. That person then sends to the posting address because it is the
only address they see for the group.

Again, without the feature they get an unfriendly "not a member" bounce
message. With this feature I can respond to them, find out if they do
qualify to be a member, and give them assistance.

What is going to keep spammers from being one of these
non-subscribers?
Nothing, in the case of humans using legit email services to spam the
group. But in my experience of several years with groups that allow
non-subscribers to post this has been an almost non-existent problem.

Whatever checks Yahoo has in place to ensure that messages are actually
from who they say their from, those checks have been very effective in
keeping robo-spam out of my groups' Pending folder (and -owner address
as well).

-- Shal


locked Re: Allowing non-subscribers to post

Linda
 

Hi Mark,
I don’t plan to use this feature, but I have no problem with it being available to group owners who want it.
 
Linda
 

Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 1:09 AM
Subject: Re: [beta] Allowing non-subscribers to post
 

Hi Mark, I really don’t like this idea at all.  I understand it is turned off by default, but if for whatever reason it was turned on by mistake that could be a real mess on some groups.  What was the reason for doing this?   It must have been discussed quite a while ago, because I don’t remember it.

 

If this is implemented, why  even bother having people subscribe and have them provide information if that is required.  What is going to keep spammers from being one of these non-subscribers?

 

Sorry to burst your bubble and I’m sure my opinion won’t make a difference.

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 12:52 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Allowing non-subscribers to post

 

Hi All,

 

I've spent the last week implementing this feature. There will be a checkbox in Settings, that if checked, will allow non subscribers to post to your group. The posts will be moderated/require your approval before they're posted to your group. And the default for this setting will be OFF.

 

It took a bunch of work, because the code was originally written assuming that each message belonged to a subscriber. But it's worth it; I think this will be a good feature for some groups.

 

A long time ago we talked about 'guest subscriptions' (see here: https://trello.com/c/C1rL9msW/11-guest-subscriptions), and this change will help make that a possibility. The question I have is about making these people subscribers and specifically, what options should I have in the pending message approval page for this.

 

If we go with the current guest subscription proposal, in addition to the normal 'Approve' button when viewing a pending message, there'd be a 'Approve & Subscribe' button, which would create a subscription for the person and set that subscription to only receive replies to their message. Should there also be an option to create a full/normal subscription?

 

As part of this, anyone who is subscribed this way will have to reply to a confirmation email to verify that they want the subscription. I could, through that, allow them to decide whether to only receive replies to their email or to have a full subscription. That would obviate the need for another Approve & Subscribe button. Thoughts?

 

Also, is it important to have these subscriptions marked as special in the member lists, like the proposal states?

 

Thanks,

Mark


locked Re: Allowing non-subscribers to post

Judy F.
 

Hi Mark, I really don’t like this idea at all.  I understand it is turned off by default, but if for whatever reason it was turned on by mistake that could be a real mess on some groups.  What was the reason for doing this?   It must have been discussed quite a while ago, because I don’t remember it.

 

If this is implemented, why  even bother having people subscribe and have them provide information if that is required.  What is going to keep spammers from being one of these non-subscribers?

 

Sorry to burst your bubble and I’m sure my opinion won’t make a difference.

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 12:52 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Allowing non-subscribers to post

 

Hi All,

 

I've spent the last week implementing this feature. There will be a checkbox in Settings, that if checked, will allow non subscribers to post to your group. The posts will be moderated/require your approval before they're posted to your group. And the default for this setting will be OFF. 

 

It took a bunch of work, because the code was originally written assuming that each message belonged to a subscriber. But it's worth it; I think this will be a good feature for some groups.

 

A long time ago we talked about 'guest subscriptions' (see here: https://trello.com/c/C1rL9msW/11-guest-subscriptions), and this change will help make that a possibility. The question I have is about making these people subscribers and specifically, what options should I have in the pending message approval page for this.

 

If we go with the current guest subscription proposal, in addition to the normal 'Approve' button when viewing a pending message, there'd be a 'Approve & Subscribe' button, which would create a subscription for the person and set that subscription to only receive replies to their message. Should there also be an option to create a full/normal subscription?

 

As part of this, anyone who is subscribed this way will have to reply to a confirmation email to verify that they want the subscription. I could, through that, allow them to decide whether to only receive replies to their email or to have a full subscription. That would obviate the need for another Approve & Subscribe button. Thoughts?

 

Also, is it important to have these subscriptions marked as special in the member lists, like the proposal states?

 

Thanks,

Mark


locked Allowing non-subscribers to post

 

Hi All,

I've spent the last week implementing this feature. There will be a checkbox in Settings, that if checked, will allow non subscribers to post to your group. The posts will be moderated/require your approval before they're posted to your group. And the default for this setting will be OFF. 

It took a bunch of work, because the code was originally written assuming that each message belonged to a subscriber. But it's worth it; I think this will be a good feature for some groups.

A long time ago we talked about 'guest subscriptions' (see here: https://trello.com/c/C1rL9msW/11-guest-subscriptions), and this change will help make that a possibility. The question I have is about making these people subscribers and specifically, what options should I have in the pending message approval page for this.

If we go with the current guest subscription proposal, in addition to the normal 'Approve' button when viewing a pending message, there'd be a 'Approve & Subscribe' button, which would create a subscription for the person and set that subscription to only receive replies to their message. Should there also be an option to create a full/normal subscription?

As part of this, anyone who is subscribed this way will have to reply to a confirmation email to verify that they want the subscription. I could, through that, allow them to decide whether to only receive replies to their email or to have a full subscription. That would obviate the need for another Approve & Subscribe button. Thoughts?

Also, is it important to have these subscriptions marked as special in the member lists, like the proposal states?

Thanks,
Mark


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