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locked changing email address, with groups.io when you have inaccessible buttons. Am I dreaming or something?

rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

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Subject: changing email address, with groups.io when you have inaccessible buttons. Am I dreaming or something?

Hi All,
Yes, the subject says it all. I want to see how GMX will handle the large amount of messages. Unfortunately, no matter what I do, I can't change the gmail to the GMX, online. Is there an email command for it?

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Mark,

Would it help things if I changed the mime type of the returned page
so that it's plain text instead of text/csv? That would mean when you
click on the download link, instead of downloading a csv file, it'll
just appear as text in the browser window?
I think that would be friendly for owners of small groups.

And I don't think it wouldn't adversely affect owners of large groups, they can use the browser's File | Save As function to create a .txt or ..csv file from it. Unless the list were somehow too big for a browser to handle this way - I have no idea if that's even a possibility.

-- Shal


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Steph <hsrsp@...>
 

I think you could try that and we can test it to make sure that it works.
 
Thanks Mark for all that you do here on Groups.io.  We appreciate it.

Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Download member list question with Windows

Would it help things if I changed the mime type of the returned page so that it's plain text instead of text/csv? That would mean when you click on the download link, instead of downloading a csv file, it'll just appear as text in the browser window?

Mark


locked Re: Download member list question with Windows

 

Would it help things if I changed the mime type of the returned page so that it's plain text instead of text/csv? That would mean when you click on the download link, instead of downloading a csv file, it'll just appear as text in the browser window?

Mark


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On 10 Sep 2015 at 3:20, Linda wrote:

Thankfully some of us are savvy enough never to use an online tool from
an unknown entity to subject our members to a lifetime of spam and much
worse.
Just trying to offer you an option other than the simple ones that have
been suggested for you.

Thankfully some of us are savvy enough to do trivial manipulation of csv
files without needing to use online tools.

--
Jim
Poston@...

<< (horrified) 'No! Not the Knights who say Ni!' >>


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Linda
 
Edited

Hi Jim,
Member lists change over time.  An old member list isn’t very useful.  So has Yahoo changed since Neo, as I noted.
 
Thankfully some of us are savvy enough never to use an online tool from an unknown entity to subject our members to a lifetime of spam and much worse.
 
Linda
 

From: Jim Poston
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 1:31 AM
Subject: Re: [beta] Download member list question with Windows
 
On 9 Sep 2015 at 16:19, Linda wrote:

> However, I don’t think that list owners, previously from Yahoogroups,
> will be pleased at having to go through all those hoops to get what,
> prior to Neo, had been available with a single click (download). 

Well, they could always go back to Y!G, where they can download their member list in exactly the same way (CSV).  The single click download isn't available there anymore.

It is pretty trivial to clip out the email addresses from the CSV file.  If you don't have Excel or another spreadsheeet program, you can try these online tools:




--
Jim
Poston@...


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On 9 Sep 2015 at 16:19, Linda wrote:

> However, I don’t think that list owners, previously from Yahoogroups,
> will be pleased at having to go through all those hoops to get what,
> prior to Neo, had been available with a single click (download). 

Well, they could always go back to Y!G, where they can download their member list in exactly the same way (CSV).  The single click download isn't available there anymore.

It is pretty trivial to clip out the email addresses from the CSV file.  If you don't have Excel or another spreadsheeet program, you can try these online tools:




--
Jim
Poston@...

<<                  He who sees everything, sees nothing.                    >>
  


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Linda
 

Hi Shal,
I used to save both versions (Download and Export) – just to have them (security blanket).  As far as the members’ names go, it would be great to have them.  However, the vast majority have not entered their names in their subscriptions.  I’ve been doing it for them when they post and sign their messages – but in one list, signatures are not required and many members prefer not to sign (support group). 
 
I used your method to download with Wordpad, Save As Text Document - MS-DOS Format, and when I opened it with Notepad it was readable enough (one line per member) that I decided not to go to the trouble of removing all the gibberish I don’t need – especially since I’m hopeful that Mark will come through when he has the time.
 
Thanks again,
Linda
 

Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Download member list question with Windows
 
Linda,

> .... I don’t think that list owners, previously from Yahoogroups, will
> be pleased at having to go through all those hoops to get what, prior
> to Neo, had been available with a single click (download). Just my
> opinion...

Having a "lite" version of the Members list export, which gives only the
email addresses one per line (as in the Y!Groups classic "Download") is
certainly a feature request Mark can consider. I'd like to find a better
way to describe it though, as "Export" versus "Download" was not very
intuitive for many people (though it became pretty obvious once you
tried it).

The other difference here, versus Y!G classic, is this business of
having to download the file to open it, rather than having the plain
text simply appear in a browser page (where you could copy/paste or use
Save As, per your own preference). I'm not sure what the technical
considerations are, and certainly for groups with thousands of members a
copy/paste could be problematic, but for smaller groups it is nice to
remove the extra steps.

That said, I'm of the "but why would you ever want just the email
addresses?" camp. Because I don't understand it, I may not be the best
at describing what you want.

-- Shal



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Linda,

... I don’t think that list owners, previously from Yahoogroups, will
be pleased at having to go through all those hoops to get what, prior
to Neo, had been available with a single click (download). Just my
opinion...
Having a "lite" version of the Members list export, which gives only the
email addresses one per line (as in the Y!Groups classic "Download") is
certainly a feature request Mark can consider. I'd like to find a better
way to describe it though, as "Export" versus "Download" was not very
intuitive for many people (though it became pretty obvious once you
tried it).

The other difference here, versus Y!G classic, is this business of
having to download the file to open it, rather than having the plain
text simply appear in a browser page (where you could copy/paste or use
Save As, per your own preference). I'm not sure what the technical
considerations are, and certainly for groups with thousands of members a
copy/paste could be problematic, but for smaller groups it is nice to
remove the extra steps.

That said, I'm of the "but why would you ever want just the email
addresses?" camp. Because I don't understand it, I may not be the best
at describing what you want.

-- Shal


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Linda
 

Thanks Shal.  I will do it because my lists are quiet today.  However, I don’t think that list owners, previously from Yahoogroups, will be pleased at having to go through all those hoops to get what, prior to Neo, had been available with a single click (download).  Just my opinion...  Thanks again, Linda 
 

Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Download member list question with Windows
 
Linda,

> Shal, you’ve hit the nail on the head!

In that case, you might try WordPad. It seems to accept the newline
format of groups.io's export. Then you have only the normal CSV
formatting to deal with (lots of quote marks and commas).

In WordPad you can also use the Save As command to save it as a "Text
Document - MS-DOS Format". That will give it the CRLF style of new line
so that Notepad will open that file as one line per member.

-- Shal


I wrote:
>
> Once you've got the file open in Notepad, the first problem with
> Groups.io's export is that it uses the unix-style line termination: just
> a LineFeed (U+000A). Notepad doesn't recognize those as new lines, so
> the rows of the export get mashed together.



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Linda,

Shal, you’ve hit the nail on the head!
In that case, you might try WordPad. It seems to accept the newline
format of groups.io's export. Then you have only the normal CSV
formatting to deal with (lots of quote marks and commas).

In WordPad you can also use the Save As command to save it as a "Text
Document - MS-DOS Format". That will give it the CRLF style of new line
so that Notepad will open that file as one line per member.

-- Shal


I wrote:

Once you've got the file open in Notepad, the first problem with
Groups.io's export is that it uses the unix-style line termination: just
a LineFeed (U+000A). Notepad doesn't recognize those as new lines, so
the rows of the export get mashed together.


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Linda
 

Shal, you’ve hit the nail on the head!
 
Thanks very much, Linda
 
----------------------------------

Once you've got the file open in Notepad, the first problem with
Groups.io's export is that it uses the unix-style line termination: just
a LineFeed (U+000A). Notepad doesn't recognize those as new lines, so
the rows of the export get mashed together. This should be taken as a
bug report (or feature request) - the export should use (or offer) ASCII
standard line termination - aka CRLF (U+000D, U+OO0A) for broadest
interoperability.

Fortunately Groups.io's export has the email address as the first
column, and the display name as the second. Which (had it not been for
the line termination issue) would have made it relatively easy for the
Notepad user to go down from line to line, deleting the unneeded
information from the end of each line.


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Mark,

Someone is having an issue with the downloaded member list. ... They
would like to bring the member list into Notepad or Wordpad to edit
(they just want the email addresses out of the file), but they're
having problems because Windows doesn't think the .csv file is plain
text.
It has been so long since I've run a Windows machine without Office installed that I'm not entirely sure of this, but it may be possible that their Windows system does not have a file association set up for the .csv extension. If Office were installed, files with that type would be associated with (automatically open in) Excel.

As Jim Ruby said, there ought to be a "Open With" button either in the download, or as a right-click on the downloaded file, which will allow the user to select Notepad or Wordpad. With that should be a checkbox to "Always use this program" for this type of file. Checking that (or leaving it checked) should set up the file association for future handling of .csv files.

Or, failing that, if you're trying to open the downloaded .csv from within Notepad you need to change the file type filter to *.* so that it will show you the .csv (and all other files).

Then there is the separate issue of extracting just the info you need from the file. I'll agree with those who've said that using a spreadsheet program is the easiest way, if you have such a program (and I can't imagine life without one).

Once you've got the file open in Notepad, the first problem with Groups.io's export is that it uses the unix-style line termination: just a LineFeed (U+000A). Notepad doesn't recognize those as new lines, so the rows of the export get mashed together. This should be taken as a bug report (or feature request) - the export should use (or offer) ASCII standard line termination - aka CRLF (U+000D, U+OO0A) for broadest interoperability.

Fortunately Groups.io's export has the email address as the first column, and the display name as the second. Which (had it not been for the line termination issue) would have made it relatively easy for the Notepad user to go down from line to line, deleting the unneeded information from the end of each line.

-- Shal


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On 8 Sep 2015 at 21:58, Mark Fletcher wrote:

Someone is having an issue with the downloaded member list. They're
running Windows, and I'm on Mac, so unfortunately I can't help. They would
like to bring the member list into Notepad or Wordpad to edit (they just
want the email addresses out of the file), but they're having problems
because Windows doesn't think the .csv file is plain text.
Something else is going on. Windows handles the csv from groups.io just
fine. Notepad will open the csv, or you could rename to txt.

It shouldn't be the encoding. I think the file is UTF-8, but that shouldn't
cause a problem.

My guess is that when opening a file within Notepad, it filters all the files to
show only txt "Text Documents (*.txt)". A csv will not show up. There's a
pulldown to select "All Files (*.*)"

Wordpad's similar in that the Open File dialog filters for "All Wordpad
Documents". To show all files, just pull down to "All Documents".


But as has been said already, a spreadsheet or database manager will be
the easiest to deal with the column formats.

--
Jim
Poston@...

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Jim Ruby <jim@...>
 

One other thing if it was not already mentioned is to right click on the file and choose open with and choose notepad. Note be sure that always use this program is unchecked with in this dialog box if you don't want to always open these files with the program you are choosing.

-----Original Message-----
From: Diana Gregory [mailto:@CatWomanDiana]
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2015 10:45 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Download member list question with Windows

Probably late on this - but the easiest thing I can think
of is to open Notepad or Wordpad, then use File->Open and
find the *.csv file. Works for me (Win 7).

Other is to open it in Excel, then use Save As - or if you
are on Office 365, it has an Export -> change file type ->
choose whatever is needed to upload wherever it needs to go.

dg


locked Re: Download member list question with Windows

 

Probably late on this - but the easiest thing I can think
of is to open Notepad or Wordpad, then use File->Open and
find the *.csv file. Works for me (Win 7).

Other is to open it in Excel, then use Save As - or if you
are on Office 365, it has an Export -> change file type ->
choose whatever is needed to upload wherever it needs to go.

dg


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Steph <hsrsp@...>
 

I have not tried downloading any lists of my group members but last time I tried that on a groups server I had to remove extra greater thans, quotation marks, and put them all on their own line.  And I would have to manually fix the file where it would just say the following.
 
Their Name as it appears in the members section,
Email Address,
& Message Delivery Status.
 
Steph

From: Linda
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2015 7:10 AM
Subject: Re: [beta] Download member list question with Windows

Hi Rajmund,
Will you please try that and advise.  I’m looking for a list of my members’ email addresses – only. 
 
If anyone is familiar with the way Yahoogroups members Download used to be, that’s what I want.  (Things have changed since Neo.) 
 
I do not have Windows Office but even if I did, the result would be unsatisfactory for my purposes.  There is way too much information.   (In Yahoogroups what we have used to be called members Export.)
 
Thanks,
Linda
 
From: rajmund
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 4:34 AM
Subject: Re: [beta] Download member list question with Windows
 
Hi Mark,
Generally, based on file types, I would rename the CSV to txt,
and open it in notepad.


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rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hi Linda,
Ah, OK, that's why. I use speech, so by moving word by word, I can get the email addresses, or whatever I want to at the time, out of it. Or, better yet, import it to my address book, and go from there. Sorry that it didn't work for you.


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Linda" <lindon@...
To: beta@groups.io
Date sent: Wed, 9 Sep 2015 08:27:28 -0400
Subject: Re: [beta] Download member list question with Windows

Sorry Rajmund, I wanted YOU to see the result. I had already done what you suggested. Too much information for my purposes.
Thanks,
Linda

From: rajmund
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 8:12 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Download member list question with Windows

Hi Linda,
You shouldn't need office to open a CSV file. I would try my
advice, but I don't own a list. Although, I have worked and
with, and have opened CSV files, I can manage with them.. If you
would like, I could help with CSV generally off list.


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Duane
 

There are several options that I've tried. Changing the extension to .txt allows me to open it in Notepad, but removing all the extraneous information is a pain.

Opening the file in Excel or Open Office Spreadsheet lets me delete the other columns easily. Then I can save it as a text file with just the first column. The procedure is a bit different for each program, but not too difficult to figure out. I can also do any other manipulation I might want, say email and user name only or sorting on a column.

I remember Yahoo having the option available to download only email addresses and could never figure out why it might be needed. I've always wanted at least the username along with it.

Duane


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Linda
 

Sorry Rajmund, I wanted YOU to see the result.  I had already done what you suggested.  Too much information for my purposes.
Thanks,
Linda
 

From: rajmund
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: [beta] Download member list question with Windows
 
Hi Linda,
You shouldn't need office to open a CSV file.  I would try my
advice, but I don't own a list.  Although, I have worked and
with, and have opened CSV files, I can manage with them..  If you
would like, I could help with CSV generally off list.