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locked Re: Site #changelog

Judy F.
 

Thanks Mark.  This is so refreshing to have someone that wants to make things easy and clear for the members.  Since a lot of these people are not computer literate or just enough to get themselves in trouble, every little bit helps.  Yahoo’s help is not helpful in some cases and in others, they have made changes and not updated the help. 

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 12:41 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Site #updates

 

That is a good idea and I'll add it to the todo list. In the mean time, please keep pointing out terms that aren't clear. I want to make sure the site is as easy to use as possible.

 

Thanks,

Mark

 

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 3:38 PM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@...> wrote:

Mark, this is where my terminology of things is lacking, but would it be possible to have a ? by the options and when you hover over it, it will explain what each one does?

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 1:05 PM


To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Site #updates

 

Agreed, but I'm not sure how to make it better without having the button be really long. :-/

 

Mark

 

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Linda Star-Freedman <donlin2@...> wrote:

That's good; wording is unclear though.

 

Linda

 

Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:55 PM

Subject: Re: [beta] Site #updates

 

That's exactly what it does.

 

Mark

 

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Linda Star-Freedman <donlin2@...> wrote:

Hi Mark,

Wouldn't Approve and Switch to Default Group Settings be more useful? 
Thanks,
Linda

 

 

Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:40 PM

Subject: Re: [beta] Site #updates

 

Hi Judy,

 

When viewing a pending message, if the person who sent the message is set to moderated (regardless of what the group is set to), there are now two buttons, 'Approve' and 'Approve & Unmoderate Sender'. 'Approve' does not change the posting status of the sender.

 

Thanks,

Mark

 

 

 


locked Re: Site #changelog

 

That is a good idea and I'll add it to the todo list. In the mean time, please keep pointing out terms that aren't clear. I want to make sure the site is as easy to use as possible.

Thanks,
Mark

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 3:38 PM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@...> wrote:

Mark, this is where my terminology of things is lacking, but would it be possible to have a ? by the options and when you hover over it, it will explain what each one does?

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 1:05 PM


To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Site #updates

 

Agreed, but I'm not sure how to make it better without having the button be really long. :-/

 

Mark

 

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Linda Star-Freedman <donlin2@...> wrote:

That's good; wording is unclear though.

 

Linda

 

Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:55 PM

Subject: Re: [beta] Site #updates

 

That's exactly what it does.

 

Mark

 

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Linda Star-Freedman <donlin2@...> wrote:

Hi Mark,

Wouldn't Approve and Switch to Default Group Settings be more useful? 
Thanks,
Linda

 

 

Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:40 PM

Subject: Re: [beta] Site #updates

 

Hi Judy,

 

When viewing a pending message, if the person who sent the message is set to moderated (regardless of what the group is set to), there are now two buttons, 'Approve' and 'Approve & Unmoderate Sender'. 'Approve' does not change the posting status of the sender.

 

Thanks,

Mark

 

 



locked Re: Editing messages

 

Me too!

On 12 November 2014 21:31, Linda Star-Freedman <donlin2@...> wrote:
> Edits are logged in the activity log (when and who did it).
 
That works for me, Mark, thanks!
 
Linda

Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Re: Editing messages

I just pushed a change to the site where edited messages now display an 'Edited' label at the top right corner. That was easy because it didn't require a database change. Displaying who edited it (or even just Poster vs Moderator) would require a slight db change. Not a big deal if you guys think it's important.

Edits are logged in the activity log (when and who did it).

Thanks,
Mark

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 4:36 AM, Chris Leong <walkraft@...> wrote:

I was only suggesting saving the last edit time and editor.. I think it is important for transparency to know if it was edited by the OP or a mod.

On 12/11/2014 10:34 PM, "Ian Gillis" <tessel.bas@...> wrote:

On 12 November 2014 08:50, Chris Leong <walkraft@...> wrote:
What if there was a note indicating that the message had been edited by a particular user on a particular date? That might curb potential abuse.

​Chris,

That could get complicated; multiple edits and associated version control would produce a list of dates, times and people.

IMHO the single word "Edited" together with an update of the post time is sufficient.

And "potential abuse" - by whom? If only originators and editors are allowed to edit, where is the risk?

Also, maybe Ronaldo's concern about email subscribers not seeing subsequent edits could be alleviated by a resend after edit?

regards,
Ian



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locked Re: Site #changelog

Judy F.
 

Mark, this is where my terminology of things is lacking, but would it be possible to have a ? by the options and when you hover over it, it will explain what each one does?

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 1:05 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Site #updates

 

Agreed, but I'm not sure how to make it better without having the button be really long. :-/

 

Mark

 

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Linda Star-Freedman <donlin2@...> wrote:

That's good; wording is unclear though.

 

Linda

 

Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:55 PM

Subject: Re: [beta] Site #updates

 

That's exactly what it does.

 

Mark

 

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Linda Star-Freedman <donlin2@...> wrote:

Hi Mark,

Wouldn't Approve and Switch to Default Group Settings be more useful? 
Thanks,
Linda

 

 

Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:40 PM

Subject: Re: [beta] Site #updates

 

Hi Judy,

 

When viewing a pending message, if the person who sent the message is set to moderated (regardless of what the group is set to), there are now two buttons, 'Approve' and 'Approve & Unmoderate Sender'. 'Approve' does not change the posting status of the sender.

 

Thanks,

Mark

 

 


locked Re: Site #changelog

Judy F.
 

Great! Thanks so much, that’s what I was hoping you would say. 

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:40 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Site #updates

 

Hi Judy,

 

When viewing a pending message, if the person who sent the message is set to moderated (regardless of what the group is set to), there are now two buttons, 'Approve' and 'Approve & Unmoderate Sender'. 'Approve' does not change the posting status of the sender.

 

Thanks,

Mark

 

On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 5:40 PM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@...> wrote:

Hi Mark, the second item is two separate options, right? 

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 7:26 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Site #updates

 

- Can now edit archived messages. Edit and Delete buttons now appear in the Inbox view.

 

- In the pending message page, there's now an 'Approve & Unmoderate Sender' for messages from members who are set to moderated.

 

 

Mark

 


locked Re: Editing messages

Linda
 

> Edits are logged in the activity log (when and who did it).
 
That works for me, Mark, thanks!
 
Linda

Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Re: Editing messages

I just pushed a change to the site where edited messages now display an 'Edited' label at the top right corner. That was easy because it didn't require a database change. Displaying who edited it (or even just Poster vs Moderator) would require a slight db change. Not a big deal if you guys think it's important.

Edits are logged in the activity log (when and who did it).

Thanks,
Mark

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 4:36 AM, Chris Leong <walkraft@...> wrote:

I was only suggesting saving the last edit time and editor. I think it is important for transparency to know if it was edited by the OP or a mod.

On 12/11/2014 10:34 PM, "Ian Gillis" <tessel.bas@...> wrote:

On 12 November 2014 08:50, Chris Leong <walkraft@...> wrote:
What if there was a note indicating that the message had been edited by a particular user on a particular date? That might curb potential abuse.

​Chris,

That could get complicated; multiple edits and associated version control would produce a list of dates, times and people.

IMHO the single word "Edited" together with an update of the post time is sufficient.

And "potential abuse" - by whom? If only originators and editors are allowed to edit, where is the risk?

Also, maybe Ronaldo's concern about email subscribers not seeing subsequent edits could be alleviated by a resend after edit?

regards,
Ian



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locked Re: Editing messages

 

I just pushed a change to the site where edited messages now display an 'Edited' label at the top right corner. That was easy because it didn't require a database change. Displaying who edited it (or even just Poster vs Moderator) would require a slight db change. Not a big deal if you guys think it's important.

Edits are logged in the activity log (when and who did it).

Thanks,
Mark

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 4:36 AM, Chris Leong <walkraft@...> wrote:

I was only suggesting saving the last edit time and editor. I think it is important for transparency to know if it was edited by the OP or a mod.

On 12/11/2014 10:34 PM, "Ian Gillis" <tessel.bas@...> wrote:

On 12 November 2014 08:50, Chris Leong <walkraft@...> wrote:
What if there was a note indicating that the message had been edited by a particular user on a particular date? That might curb potential abuse.

​Chris,

That could get complicated; multiple edits and associated version control would produce a list of dates, times and people.

IMHO the single word "Edited" together with an update of the post time is sufficient.

And "potential abuse" - by whom? If only originators and editors are allowed to edit, where is the risk?

Also, maybe Ronaldo's concern about email subscribers not seeing subsequent edits could be alleviated by a resend after edit?

regards,
Ian



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locked Re: Site #changelog

Linda
 

'Approve & Unmoderate Sender'
'Approve & Use Group Default'
 
Linda

Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Site #updates

Agreed, but I'm not sure how to make it better without having the button be really long. :-/

Mark

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Linda Star-Freedman <donlin2@...> wrote:
That's good; wording is unclear though.
 
Linda

Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Site #updates

That's exactly what it does.

Mark

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Linda Star-Freedman <donlin2@...> wrote:
Hi Mark,
Wouldn't Approve and Switch to Default Group Settings be more useful? 
Thanks,
Linda
 

Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Site #updates

Hi Judy,

When viewing a pending message, if the person who sent the message is set to moderated (regardless of what the group is set to), there are now two buttons, 'Approve' and 'Approve & Unmoderate Sender'. 'Approve' does not change the posting status of the sender.

Thanks,
Mark




locked Re: Site #changelog

 

Agreed, but I'm not sure how to make it better without having the button be really long. :-/

Mark

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Linda Star-Freedman <donlin2@...> wrote:
That's good; wording is unclear though.
 
Linda

Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Site #updates

That's exactly what it does.

Mark

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Linda Star-Freedman <donlin2@...> wrote:
Hi Mark,
Wouldn't Approve and Switch to Default Group Settings be more useful? 
Thanks,
Linda
 

Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Site #updates

Hi Judy,

When viewing a pending message, if the person who sent the message is set to moderated (regardless of what the group is set to), there are now two buttons, 'Approve' and 'Approve & Unmoderate Sender'. 'Approve' does not change the posting status of the sender.

Thanks,
Mark




locked Re: Site #changelog

Linda
 

That's good; wording is unclear though.
 
Linda

Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Site #updates

That's exactly what it does.

Mark

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Linda Star-Freedman <donlin2@...> wrote:
Hi Mark,
Wouldn't Approve and Switch to Default Group Settings be more useful? 
Thanks,
Linda
 

Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Site #updates

Hi Judy,

When viewing a pending message, if the person who sent the message is set to moderated (regardless of what the group is set to), there are now two buttons, 'Approve' and 'Approve & Unmoderate Sender'. 'Approve' does not change the posting status of the sender.

Thanks,
Mark



locked Re: Site #changelog

 

That's exactly what it does.

Mark

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Linda Star-Freedman <donlin2@...> wrote:
Hi Mark,
Wouldn't Approve and Switch to Default Group Settings be more useful? 
Thanks,
Linda
 

Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Site #updates

Hi Judy,

When viewing a pending message, if the person who sent the message is set to moderated (regardless of what the group is set to), there are now two buttons, 'Approve' and 'Approve & Unmoderate Sender'. 'Approve' does not change the posting status of the sender.

Thanks,
Mark



locked Re: Site #changelog

Linda
 

Hi Mark,
Wouldn't Approve and Switch to Default Group Settings be more useful? 
Thanks,
Linda
 

Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Site #updates

Hi Judy,

When viewing a pending message, if the person who sent the message is set to moderated (regardless of what the group is set to), there are now two buttons, 'Approve' and 'Approve & Unmoderate Sender'. 'Approve' does not change the posting status of the sender.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Site #changelog

 

Hi Judy,

When viewing a pending message, if the person who sent the message is set to moderated (regardless of what the group is set to), there are now two buttons, 'Approve' and 'Approve & Unmoderate Sender'. 'Approve' does not change the posting status of the sender.

Thanks,
Mark

On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 5:40 PM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@...> wrote:

Hi Mark, the second item is two separate options, right? 

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 7:26 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Site #updates

 

- Can now edit archived messages. Edit and Delete buttons now appear in the Inbox view.

 

- In the pending message page, there's now an 'Approve & Unmoderate Sender' for messages from members who are set to moderated.

 

 

Mark



locked Re: Site #changelog

Judy F.
 

Ian, that is not the case on all groups.  Most sewing/embroidery type groups I belong to (moderate, own or just a member) all members, with a few exceptions of some, are moderated all the times.  This is what I’m keep saying, all groups do not work the same way.  Example:  on a buying and selling group that I moderate, members submit ads ALL of those need to be moderated no matter if it is the first or 15th.  No member, except owner/moderator, are unmoderated.  This goes for joining also,  they all have to be approved once they submit the requested information.

 

Thanks,

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Ian Gillis [mailto:tessel.bas@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 6:46 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Site #updates

 

 

On 12 November 2014 02:40, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@...> wrote:

Hi Mark, the second item is two separate options, right? 

 

I hope not. On Yahoo Groups a new member whose initial posts are moderated needs

a) to have his message approved and
b) if he looks
like a decent chap he has to be Unmoderated.

A single button to do both at once would be wonderful…




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locked Re: Editing messages

 

I was only suggesting saving the last edit time and editor. I think it is important for transparency to know if it was edited by the OP or a mod.

On 12/11/2014 10:34 PM, "Ian Gillis" <tessel.bas@...> wrote:

On 12 November 2014 08:50, Chris Leong <walkraft@...> wrote:
What if there was a note indicating that the message had been edited by a particular user on a particular date? That might curb potential abuse.

​Chris,

That could get complicated; multiple edits and associated version control would produce a list of dates, times and people.

IMHO the single word "Edited" together with an update of the post time is sufficient.

And "potential abuse" - by whom? If only originators and editors are allowed to edit, where is the risk?

Also, maybe Ronaldo's concern about email subscribers not seeing subsequent edits could be alleviated by a resend after edit?

regards,
Ian



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locked Re: Calendar is live

Laurence Taylor
 

On 11/11/2014 20:56, Ian Gillis wrote:

​Laurence,

I'm not a Facebook devotee and I far prefer lengthy prose to vestigial
comments.

But I feel you do Facebook a disservice in lumping it together with Twitter
and the like. I would dispute that it is designed around short messages -
there appears to be no reasonable limit to the post length and lengthy
treatises can be compiled and linked to posts using the Facebook Notes
facility.
True; FB will do long messages, but you rarely see them. Twitter frankly
I don't see the point.


Moreover, if you post messages to the <mygroup>@groups.facebook.com address
and turn on email notifications you can turn it into a fair copy of a list
server.
I didn't know that! I do have email notification, and it says on it "to
respond reply to this email" but when I tried it it didn't work.

The trouble with Facebook groupsis that you can't create one without
providing members, so testing is a bit difficult.

Facebook has a bad image because of its more uncouth devotees - but it has
attributes which may be ignored by the yobbos but are nevertheless there
for use by the more "couth" of us.

From your email handle I presume you are involved with the amateur radio
fraternity - I'm involved with groups of engineers and I can assure you
that Facebook is quite popular once they become familiar with its rather
different UI and overcome their innate prejudice.
You presume correctly :-)

I'm a member of several tech-related FB groups, but the vast majority
seem to be fairly trivial. Maybe I should try starting a seriouis one!

--
rgds
LAurence
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locked Re: Site #changelog

 


On 12 November 2014 02:40, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@...> wrote:
Hi Mark, the second item is two separate options, right? 

​I hope not. On Yahoo Groups a new member whose initial posts are moderated needs

a) to have his message approved and
b) if he looks​ like a decent chap he has to be Unmoderated.

A single button to do both at once would be wonderful…



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locked Re: Editing messages

 


On 12 November 2014 08:50, Chris Leong <walkraft@...> wrote:
What if there was a note indicating that the message had been edited by a particular user on a particular date? That might curb potential abuse.

​Chris,

That could get complicated; multiple edits and associated version control would produce a list of dates, times and people.

IMHO the single word "Edited" together with an update of the post time is sufficient.

And "potential abuse" - by whom? If only originators and editors are allowed to edit, where is the risk?

Also, maybe Ronaldo's concern about email subscribers not seeing subsequent edits could be alleviated by a resend after edit?

regards,
Ian



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locked Re: Editing messages

 

What if there was a note indicating that the message had been edited by a particular user on a particular date? That might curb potential abuse.


locked Re: Site #changelog

Judy F.
 

Hi Mark, the second item is two separate options, right? 

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 7:26 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Site #updates

 

- Can now edit archived messages. Edit and Delete buttons now appear in the Inbox view.

 

- In the pending message page, there's now an 'Approve & Unmoderate Sender' for messages from members who are set to moderated.

 

 

Mark