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moderated Signifying +owner messages #suggestion

 

Hi All,

Right now, messages to the +owner address are forwarded on to moderators with just the group subject tag added to the subject of the message, without any other identifying information. This has confused me on more than one occasion, thinking that they were messages sent to the group, and not directly to the moderators. But I'm at a bit of a loss for ways to better identify what they are. Should I add a special hashtag to the subject line? Please let me know if you have any ideas for how to better identify these emails.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Calendar event for a single day shown over two days when start and end times are the same #bug

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

if a calendar event has the same start and end time on the same day and the start time is after 23:00, then the event is shown as occurring over two days:



Regards
Andy


moderated Re: Notification from name change #update

Andy Wedge
 

On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 06:31 AM, Andy Wedge wrote:
but the email address is still shown
...and another...



Regards
Andy


moderated Re: Notification from name change #update

Andy Wedge
 

On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 06:31 AM, Andy Wedge wrote:
but the email address is still shown
...and another two!



Regards
Andy


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

May 13, 2022:

  • DOCS: Updates from Nina. Owners Manual Revision History, Members Manual Revision History.
  • CHANGE: When uploading a directory, if one of the files was an image and the group was set to not allow images, we would stop the upload immediately, which would prevent any notifications of already-uploaded files to be sent. Discussion
  • BUGFIX: When replying to a message, and if you had a signature, exiting the reply and returning to the saved draft would cause the draft to be erased. Discussion
  • BUGFIX: Don't include your signature when composing a new topic if the Use Signature For Web Posting checkbox is not checked. Discussion

May 12, 2022:

  • BUGFIX: Added missing changed display name activity log entry when a member resets their group profile. Discussion
  • CHANGE: Drafts are now automatically deleted based on their last updated time, not their created time. Discussion
  • NEW: Include a colored dot in event notifications. Discussion
  • BUGFIX: Select text when replying wasn't working for plain text/markdown editors. Discussion

May 11, 2022:

  • CHANGE: The From name for all group notifications is now Group Notification, removing the email address of the group, which was causing some confusion with email client contacts.
  • BUGFIX: When locking a topic, the locked topic member notice was not being sent to the group. Discussion
  • BUGFIX: When editing a topic's properties, a changed the subject activity log entry was always generated, even if the subject hadn't been changed. Discussion
  • NEW: There is a new selector when creating or editing a folder in the Files section with options for Any group member can add files to this folder and Only you and the moderators can add files to this folder. Discussion

May 10, 2022:

  • NEW: New Photos section permissions setting Members can view and upload photos, but not create albums. Discussion
  • NEW: New Files section permissions setting Members can view and upload files, but not create folders. Discussion

May 9, 2022:

  • BUGFIX: Send Message to a member now returns to the member page after sending. Discussion
  • CHANGE: The file name of the downloaded member list .csv file is now the email address of the group with .csv appended. Discussion
  • INTERNAL: Refactor the editor code in order to fix a couple of edge case bugs and clean up the code.

The next #changelog will be published on Friday, May 20th.

Take care everyone.

Mark


moderated Re: #misc Bad bounces #misc

Bruce Bowman
 

Al -- I set up an email integration and post all my formmail to that. Never had a problem...you might want to look into that option.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: #misc Bad bounces #misc

 

On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 2:51 PM Al <exchange.interlinked@...> wrote:
The actual mail body I'm sending has From as the first header. I'm using a PHP function and the mail command, which just invokes the system sendmail:

I could definitely be doing something else wrong, but my understanding is that postfix would just accept that information from here and pass it through directly.
 
I've never used Postfix, so I can't help you there. An empty MAIL FROM generally means a bounce message. Which is fine if it's got an RCPT TO one of our bounce addresses. Otherwise, it's a delivery status notification being sent to a group and we don't accept those. 

Mark


moderated Re: #misc Bad bounces #misc

Al
 

The actual mail body I'm sending has From as the first header. I'm using a PHP function and the mail command, which just invokes the system sendmail:

I could definitely be doing something else wrong, but my understanding is that postfix would just accept that information from here and pass it through directly.
 
$headers ="From: REDACTED \r\n" .
"Sender: REDACTED \r\n" .
"MIME-Version: 1.0 \r\n" .
($html ? "Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 \r\n" : "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed \r\n") .
"Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit \r\n" .
"Content-Language: en-US \r\n" .
"Errors-To: REDACTED \r\n";
$parameters = " -f \r\n";
mail($to, $subject, $body, $headers, $parameters);


moderated Re: Notification from name change #update

Andy Wedge
 

On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 09:59 AM, Andy Wedge wrote:
but the email address is still shown
and another one...



Regards
Andy


moderated Re: #misc Bad bounces #misc

 

On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 2:20 PM Al <exchange.interlinked@...> wrote:
I have been trying to investigate posts *to* (not from) groups.io that are bouncing. I was initially getting a HELO error but after changing some settings in postfix (mail agent running on Debian 10), I seem to have progressed to this:

May 13 20:47:50 REDACTED postfix/smtp[21755]: EB5E923448: to=<REDACTED@groups.io>, relay=lb01.groups.io[45.79.81.153]:25, delay=5.9, delays=0.12/0.04/5.5/0.19, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host lb01.groups.io[45.79.81.153] said: 500 Bad bounce (in reply to RCPT TO command))

We reply with that if you have not sent a MAIL FROM: line first during the SMTP transaction. Generally that's a sign of a spammer. Could that be what you were doing?

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Missing email notifications again, about Files? #bug

 

Hi Andy,

On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 9:40 PM Andy <AI.egrps+io@...> wrote:

9:17 pm, new subdirectory created.
9:17 pm, files uploaded into the new subdirectory.
No email was received about them.
Note there was a missed opportunity in the email I received at 9:21 about the other files that were deleted at 9:13; but that email at 9:21 did not mention the new uploads of 9:17.

What happened was he uploaded a directory. One of the files in the directory was an image, which your group is set to not allow in the Files area. The code was set to immediately return on this error condition, which prevented a notification from being sent out about the already-uploaded files in the directory. I've changed the code so that it just ignores the image and continues.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated #misc Bad bounces #misc

Al
 

I have been trying to investigate posts *to* (not from) groups.io that are bouncing. I was initially getting a HELO error but after changing some settings in postfix (mail agent running on Debian 10), I seem to have progressed to this:

May 13 20:47:50 REDACTED postfix/smtp[21755]: EB5E923448: to=<REDACTED@groups.io>, relay=lb01.groups.io[45.79.81.153]:25, delay=5.9, delays=0.12/0.04/5.5/0.19, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host lb01.groups.io[45.79.81.153] said: 500 Bad bounce (in reply to RCPT TO command))

The email is being sent from an address that is a member of the group, and emails to other individual email addresses complete with no errors. Even did some email spam tests and it seems to be getting pretty good marks on those. Only groups.io is having an issue.

Nothing shows up under "Activity" in the groups.io admin menu (which I would consider to be a bug, since bounces should be showing up there), so there is really no further information about what this "500 Bad bounce" actually means. It doesn't seem to a standard terminology I can find. Can someone familiar with what causes this condition elaborate on it? Thank you!


moderated Re: "message edit approval" notice sent when edit was saved but not send #bug

 

Meanwhile, here is a second (completely unrelated) bug: The message from which I (successfully) deleted all attachments still displays the paperclip icon in the archive. So when I was checking to see if the attachments actually had been deleted, I was misled at first into thinking they hadn't, because the paperclip icon made it look like they were still there. And in general, this means that when searching for messages with attachments, or with specific attachments (in most cases in my group, I'm looking for the specific message in which a group member has posted a lab report), you can't go by the paperclip icon.
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moderated Re: "message edit approval" notice sent when edit was saved but not send #bug

 

Correcting the bug description: It turns out that the approval notice was not for the message whose attachments I deleted. It was for a different message. That message was by me, and I edited the message within pending (I am on moderation so that I can edit my messages) and then approved it from pending. It was not a "sent edit." The log has no entries for any edit (except "saved-not-sent" edits). And I never responded to the approval notice. Yet, I am now seeing that a second, edited message (of the message by me) was emailed to the group with the preface "edited message follows." I'm recording these details mostly for future reference and will try to look into this further and see whether it happens again.


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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated "message edit approval" notice sent when edit was saved but not send #bug

 

This morning I did a "save not send" edit of a message by deleting its attachments. The message was successfully edited in the archives but, confusingly, I received a "message edit approval" notice. After getting that, I thought that either I'd "saved and sent" accidentally or the edit hadn't gone through. But neither was the case. The edited message appears on the site, with the edit done. So I don't know what to make of this approval notice and I think it's a bug. I'm still scratching my head over it.
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: No "Add Pictures" icon in wiki editor #bug

 

On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 7:43 AM Donna ʕ•́ᴥ•̀ʔっ <kayleesmemere1@...> wrote:
the icon is there again for me but it is not working.  I click on it and nothing happens.

Sorry about that. It's really fixed now.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Drafts completely disappearing #bug

 

Mark,

Yes, thanks, that’s exactly what had been happening.


On May 13, 2022, at 9:48 AM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:


J,

This has been fixed. It would occur if you have a signature, start a reply to an existing message, go somewhere else, then return to the draft.

Thanks,
Mark


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Drafts completely disappearing #bug

 

J,

This has been fixed. It would occur if you have a signature, start a reply to an existing message, go somewhere else, then return to the draft.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Drafts completely disappearing #bug

 

THANK YOU MARK! This has been making me want to tear my hair out. 


On May 13, 2022, at 9:14 AM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:


Hi All,

I've reproduced the bug; will fix it momentarily. It has nothing to do with the browser. 

Thanks,
Mark


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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Drafts completely disappearing #bug

 

Firefox on a year-ish-old MacBook Pro. 


On May 13, 2022, at 9:06 AM, Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:

On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 05:01 PM, Janet_Catlady wrote:
I just reproduced it again, in this group. I composed a test draft in response to this message
Mark asked what browser etc. you were using but I don't see a response to that. Also, what device are you using? (Mac / Windows / Tablet etc.)

Regards
Andy

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

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