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moderated Re: Notification from name change #update

Andy Wedge
 

On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 11:13 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

Previously, most group notifications were sent with the From name being "(group email address) Notification", like:

From: main@beta.groups.io Notification noreply@groups.io

I have changed that to just "Group Notification", like:

From: Group Notification noreply@groups.io

With this change in place, it's not possible to determine which group a notification for a rejected message comes from as the subject tag is not used as a prefix as in other notifications:



Regards
Andy


moderated Notification from name change #update

 

Hi All,

Previously, most group notifications were sent with the From name being "(group email address) Notification", like:

From: main@beta.groups.io Notification noreply@groups.io

I have changed that to just "Group Notification", like:

From: Group Notification noreply@groups.io

The reason is that, some email clients, like Gmail, will take any sender name/email address and add it to their contacts. Then, when starting to type an email address to send a message to, Gmail would end up matching on the email address from these group notifications names. That would mean that the message would be sent to noreply@groups.io instead of the proper group email address.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Weird topic-locking behavior in a particular group #misc #bug

 

Hi,

The locked topic notice was not being sent to the group on topic locking. I have fixed that now.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Erroneous activity log entry when using TopicProperties method to lock/unlock a topic #bug

 

On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 10:45 AM Christos Psarras <christos@...> wrote:

I was doing a bit more testing today regarding that locking & group notice error and one of the times I went back to unlock the test topic I went to Topic Properties instead of the usual direct link method.  The log correctly adds & shows the unlocked entry, but then it has an additional entry like this:

<Me> changed the subject of topic Airliner Modelling Digest (AMD) - Digest #303 from "Airliner Modelling Digest (AMD) - Digest #303", via web

I didn't change anything in the subject obviously.  I then tested it with just going into Topic Properties, changing nothing and clicking Update instead of Cancel and the same entry is added, so something in the Update process causes it.

This has been fixed.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: No "Add Pictures" icon in wiki editor #bug

 

On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 1:45 PM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:
Wiki photos count against group quota, so obviously they are allowed. I can paste a photo into a wiki page from my clipboard, but there is no Add Pictures icon on the wiki editor's menu bar.

Sorry, should be fixed now. I refactored a bunch of the editor code and this got screwed up in the process.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated No "Add Pictures" icon in wiki editor #bug

Bruce Bowman
 

Wiki photos count against group quota, so obviously they are allowed. I can paste a photo into a wiki page from my clipboard, but there is no Add Pictures icon on the wiki editor's menu bar.

Has it always been that way? I could have sworn this icon was present before, but perhaps it's my own confabulation.

Thanks,
Bruce


moderated Re: Weird topic-locking behavior in a particular group #misc #bug

 

OK, I see it is a "group" FYI notice after all, so that part is fine, bad interpretation on my part.  The last part in my previous message though, about the notice dropbox not showing afterwards in TopicProperties, is a bug and should be fixed.

Another thing that added to the confusion is that the owner's manual doesn't explicitly mention in the "Locked Topic notice" section that this notice is a "group" notice and gets sent to the group and not to any poster who tries to reply.  It is mentioned in the two later sections, "Locking topics" and "Editing the properties of topics in the archive", but those two come further down in the manual so if one reads just the "Locked Topic notice" section they can miss that bit.

Cheers,
Christos


moderated Re: Weird topic-locking behavior in a particular group #misc #bug

 

OK, I think I figured out what's going on.

This particular group has a LockedTopic notice and is active.

When locking a topic using the TopicProperties method, when one clicks on LockTopic they are presented with a dropdown which defaults to using the LockedTopic notice if it's active, otherwise defaults to Don't Send. 



If one uses the direct link LockTopic method, this happens transparently.

Fine, I get this part, but shouldn't that notice be sent to a member who tries to reply to this topic?  In this case that notice gets posted to the group instead when I lock the topic which doesn't make that much sense, to me at least.  If I'm doing archive maintenance, why would I want to saturate the message archive with FYI messages that I'm locking some topic?  Shouldn't the default be No message unless if I actively set it on?  On top of that, the blurb says "Message to send to the group when locking a topic."  Again, I was under the impression this would be the notice sent to the poster, not to the group.  We cannot have more than one active LockedNotice so this is not a case of having two notices, one sent to the poster if they try to reply and another one posted to the group when I lock a topic as an FYI.

So I'm a bit confused, either I'm not fully understanding the expected process or something is not quite right with what's currently happening.

And the reason I initially missed this is because I was using the direct link lock method (where this happens transparently) and when locking the topic that way, if one goes to the TopicProperties afterwards they see this:



Notice how the dropdown is not showing now?  One has to uncheck and recheck the Locked checkbox in order for the dropdown to show up again, so it's easy to miss what's going on.

Cheers,
Christos


moderated Re: More granular permissions #suggestion

 

Hi All,

I've just added a selector when adding or updating a File folder, with the following options:

- Any group member can add files to this folder
- Only you and the moderators can add files to this folder

This setting only applies to the folder itself. If there are nested folders within it, this setting does not apply to them.

I have also changed the existing comparable Photos album setting from a radio button to a selector, to mimic this.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Erroneous activity log entry when using TopicProperties method to lock/unlock a topic #bug

 

Hi Mark,

I was doing a bit more testing today regarding that locking & group notice error and one of the times I went back to unlock the test topic I went to Topic Properties instead of the usual direct link method.  The log correctly adds & shows the unlocked entry, but then it has an additional entry like this:

<Me> changed the subject of topic Airliner Modelling Digest (AMD) - Digest #303 from "Airliner Modelling Digest (AMD) - Digest #303", via web

I didn't change anything in the subject obviously.  I then tested it with just going into Topic Properties, changing nothing and clicking Update instead of Cancel and the same entry is added, so something in the Update process causes it.

Regardless of the bug itself, I would also suggest to slightly reword the log entry's first part from changed the subject of topic to changed the topic subject to since we're using from "OldSubject" in the second part.

Cheers,
Christos


Andy I
 

I am offering two suggestions to maybe(*) improve the Drafts function in Groups.io.

1.  When someone starts a message online in the web interface but isn't finished, it is saved in Drafts.  After several days (two weeks?), it times out and the message self destructs.  However, the timer starts when the message was started, and is not reset if the member edits the daft later.  So they might start writing a message, then put it aside, then work on it a bit more, put it aside again, and come back to work on it again, and put it aside again.  The next day, they come back, and it's gone.

I think it would be better to reset the timer whenever the draft is opened again for editing.

2.  Would it be possible for Groups.io to send a reminder email to the member when a Draft is within a few days of auto-deletion?

(*)  Suggestion 2 might be a lot of work to implement, without much benefit.  Anyway, it's not necessarily a great idea to depend on Drafts.  So I'm not sure I am in favor of it (#2).

OTOH, I do have cases where I write something but not sure if I really want to send it, sat on it a few days, changed what I wrote over time, and so on, and suddenly found that my Draft is gone because it timed-out -- even though I had edited it only the day before.  That seems like it should be improved.

Andy


moderated Re: Photo album improvements #suggestion

 

>>> The ideal outcome would be you could move mail imagery into regular albums.  When you do so, in place of the imagery, the archived email would get a attached link to the new location. So you can look at the album, or the mail, and still get there.

This capability would be useful, but ...

>>> You can build a regular album with either imagery in mail attachments or directly uploaded. Then, the "message" images have a link to the album location.

If this when-uploaded route was chosen, it would be better IMO for it to be a ON/OFF setting, because if not and always ON, certain types of messages would now "lose" some of their value from a visual presentation POV.  For example, a How-To instructional message, using HTML with physically-embedded inline images that tie to the text above or below each image that explains something, such as a manual page, wouldn't now look quite right because the picture -which may also be annotated- and supposedly visually ties-to and shows what the text is talking about would now be a text link; it would be akin to reading an illustrated book but instead of seeing the picture in the page you see text that says "refer to to the end of the book in some photo appendix or whatever to see the picture the text is referring to", and for each picture you have to now flip to the appending to see the image, then flip back to continue reading to the next section or paragraph, and so on back and forth.  So in this case not text URL links but the actual image could be inserted as an <img src> tag, so this way the message still looks like it's supposed to look but the images are not physically-embedded anymore.

Cheers,
Christos


moderated Re: Request to limit new photo album creation to moderators #suggestion

 

Hi All,

I've added new access settings to Files and Photos. They are:

- Members can view and upload photos, but not create albums
- Members can view and upload files, but not create folders

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Mark


moderated Photo rotation #suggestion

David
 

I've been cleaning up decades of photo albums brought over from Youknowhere.

I love the fact I can rotate them to be upright, but it takes way too many keystrokes to do so for each image.

A rotation is nondestructive. Would it be possible to have a single shortcut key to "Rotate" the image. Only one direction is needed; 3 of them is still faster than it is now.


moderated Photo album improvements #suggestion

David
 

There are many thing to like about GIO's photo tools, including the rotation tool.

Many images in the group I help manage arrive as mail attachments. Moving them to albums is convoluted; download, then upload again.
It's a waste of bandwidth & a PITA to have to go this route; after all, they are already stored in an album, albeit the "mail" one.

But there are real advantages to have imagery gathered together in a titled album re: a topic.

And if you strip the images from the mail to avoid duplicates consuming storage, important context is lost for the imagery.

So I propose/suggest:

The ideal outcome would be you could move mail imagery into regular albums. When you do so, in place of the imagery, the archived email would get a attached link to the new location. So you can look at the album, or the mail, and still get there.

OR:

You can build a regular album with either imagery in mail attachments or directly uploaded. Then, the "message" images have a link to the album location.


moderated Weird topic-locking behavior in a particular group #misc #bug

 

Hi Mark,

Something weird may have gotten inadvertently introduced today, this just happened on a group of mine.  It almost looks like the system locked-topic notice gets sent or posted to the group as a new message (and topic) when I lock a regular topic.

I locked a topic and all seemingly happened as usual, except a message was now somehow sent (or just posted) to the group, containing the usual system notice:
Hello,
The topic you're attempting to reply to has been locked by the moderators.  If you believe you still need to reply to it please email the admins at alps+owner@alps.groups.io with your reply message text and explaining why you should be able to reply to that locked topic.
Thanks You.
The Group Admins

Looking at the headers online:
From: "ALPS Micro Dry printers Group Moderators" <ALPS+owner@ALPS.groups.io>
To: "ALPS@ALPS.groups.io" <ALPS@ALPS.groups.io>
Subject: [ALPS] Re: Help
Date: Mon, 09 May 2022 14:56:21 -0700
Message-ID: <lhuw.1652133381238059146.6hmr@groups.io>
Precedence: Bulk

Looking at the headers in Tbird:
From: "ALPS Micro Dry printers Group Moderators via groups.io" <ALPS+owner@...>
To: "ALPS@ALPS.groups.io" <ALPS@ALPS.groups.io>
Subject: [ALPS] Re: Help
Date: Mon, 09 May 2022 14:56:21 -0700
Message-ID: <lhuw.1652133381238059146.6hmr@groups.io>
Sender: ALPS@ALPS.groups.io
List-Id: <ALPS.ALPS.groups.io>
Mailing-List: list ALPS@ALPS.groups.io; contact ALPS+owner@ALPS.groups.io
Delivered-To: ALPS@ALPS.groups.io
And there is more weirdness about this:

- There's nothing in the log regarding this stray message, just the normal topic-locking entry for the original topic.
- A new topic with the same title as the locked topic gets created.  If I unlock and relock that same original topic, another notice gets sent to the group and it now threads under the newly-created stray topic.
- I can lock that stray new topic and in that case no additional message gets generated.
- Message moderation doesn't seem to make a difference, at least the "Moderate First Topic Message" vs Unmoderated.
- I can reproduce this in the above (premium) group but I cannot reproduce it in a free test group or another premium group, locking a topic there behaves normally.  I didn't test any more groups.

I tried the usual clear & restart browser, different browser, different PC, log out & back-in, didn't help.  I did upload a few PDFs and created a generic link (to a group topic) in Files in this group but that shouldn't make any difference.

I left for now those newly-created stray topics in that group for your examination.

Cheers,
Christos


moderated Re: Posting a message "from" the group owner address doesn't post as from the group owner address #bug

 

On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 5:41 PM Janet_Catlady <JanetOliviaCatlady@...> wrote:

There is another weirdness. I may be completely misremembering, but did Send Message (from the member page) use to exit all the way back to the group home page? I thought it went back to the member page or at least the member list. It seems all different now - you're plopped out onto the group home page with the banner "your message has been sent." I just don't remember it being that way.

This has been fixed. You're now returned to the member page.

Cheers,
Mark 


moderated Re: Download member list file name #suggestion

 

On Thu, May 5, 2022 at 1:11 PM Jack Heim <john@...> wrote:
Today I was migrating a group from the free service to a subgroup within
a premium group. This is a pretty common task it seems based on what I
see in the group owners list. Anyway, I made a serious mistake -- I
accidently imported the members of the group from the last time I did
this. The problem was that when you clikc the Download link on the
members page for a group, it creates a file in your Downloads folder
called memberslist.csv. Or i should say, that's what it does unless
there is already a file there by that name. In that case, it creates a
file called memberslist(1).csv. If you don't notice that, you are likely
to make the mistake I made.

I've changed it so the downloaded file is now the email address of the group with .csv appended.

Cheers,
Mark 


moderated Re: Log all reasons a message is being moderated #suggestion

Andy I
 

On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 08:30 AM, JohnF wrote:
How about a lock-and-forward feature? That is, allow the person who locks a topic to optionally specify a different existing topic to forward all replies to. Then the thread isn't really locked, but any replies to it will have their subject line rewritten and posted in the specified thread instead.

That happens anyway if you Merge the topics.  Any replies to the message, even email replies that still had the original second Subject line (that you want eliminated), get changed to use the merged Subject line as they pass through GIO's servers, so they will follow the specified (merged) thread.

Andy


moderated Re: Log all reasons a message is being moderated #suggestion

 

How about a lock-and-forward feature? That is, allow the person who locks a topic to optionally specify a different existing topic to forward all replies to. Then the thread isn't really locked, but any replies to it will have their subject line rewritten and posted in the specified thread instead.

JohnF

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