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moderated Re: More granular permissions #suggestion

 

Hi All,

I've just added a selector when adding or updating a File folder, with the following options:

- Any group member can add files to this folder
- Only you and the moderators can add files to this folder

This setting only applies to the folder itself. If there are nested folders within it, this setting does not apply to them.

I have also changed the existing comparable Photos album setting from a radio button to a selector, to mimic this.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Erroneous activity log entry when using TopicProperties method to lock/unlock a topic #bug

 

Hi Mark,

I was doing a bit more testing today regarding that locking & group notice error and one of the times I went back to unlock the test topic I went to Topic Properties instead of the usual direct link method.  The log correctly adds & shows the unlocked entry, but then it has an additional entry like this:

<Me> changed the subject of topic Airliner Modelling Digest (AMD) - Digest #303 from "Airliner Modelling Digest (AMD) - Digest #303", via web

I didn't change anything in the subject obviously.  I then tested it with just going into Topic Properties, changing nothing and clicking Update instead of Cancel and the same entry is added, so something in the Update process causes it.

Regardless of the bug itself, I would also suggest to slightly reword the log entry's first part from changed the subject of topic to changed the topic subject to since we're using from "OldSubject" in the second part.

Cheers,
Christos


Andy I
 

I am offering two suggestions to maybe(*) improve the Drafts function in Groups.io.

1.  When someone starts a message online in the web interface but isn't finished, it is saved in Drafts.  After several days (two weeks?), it times out and the message self destructs.  However, the timer starts when the message was started, and is not reset if the member edits the daft later.  So they might start writing a message, then put it aside, then work on it a bit more, put it aside again, and come back to work on it again, and put it aside again.  The next day, they come back, and it's gone.

I think it would be better to reset the timer whenever the draft is opened again for editing.

2.  Would it be possible for Groups.io to send a reminder email to the member when a Draft is within a few days of auto-deletion?

(*)  Suggestion 2 might be a lot of work to implement, without much benefit.  Anyway, it's not necessarily a great idea to depend on Drafts.  So I'm not sure I am in favor of it (#2).

OTOH, I do have cases where I write something but not sure if I really want to send it, sat on it a few days, changed what I wrote over time, and so on, and suddenly found that my Draft is gone because it timed-out -- even though I had edited it only the day before.  That seems like it should be improved.

Andy


moderated Re: Photo album improvements #suggestion

 

>>> The ideal outcome would be you could move mail imagery into regular albums.  When you do so, in place of the imagery, the archived email would get a attached link to the new location. So you can look at the album, or the mail, and still get there.

This capability would be useful, but ...

>>> You can build a regular album with either imagery in mail attachments or directly uploaded. Then, the "message" images have a link to the album location.

If this when-uploaded route was chosen, it would be better IMO for it to be a ON/OFF setting, because if not and always ON, certain types of messages would now "lose" some of their value from a visual presentation POV.  For example, a How-To instructional message, using HTML with physically-embedded inline images that tie to the text above or below each image that explains something, such as a manual page, wouldn't now look quite right because the picture -which may also be annotated- and supposedly visually ties-to and shows what the text is talking about would now be a text link; it would be akin to reading an illustrated book but instead of seeing the picture in the page you see text that says "refer to to the end of the book in some photo appendix or whatever to see the picture the text is referring to", and for each picture you have to now flip to the appending to see the image, then flip back to continue reading to the next section or paragraph, and so on back and forth.  So in this case not text URL links but the actual image could be inserted as an <img src> tag, so this way the message still looks like it's supposed to look but the images are not physically-embedded anymore.

Cheers,
Christos


moderated Re: Request to limit new photo album creation to moderators #suggestion

 

Hi All,

I've added new access settings to Files and Photos. They are:

- Members can view and upload photos, but not create albums
- Members can view and upload files, but not create folders

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Mark


moderated Photo rotation #suggestion

David
 

I've been cleaning up decades of photo albums brought over from Youknowhere.

I love the fact I can rotate them to be upright, but it takes way too many keystrokes to do so for each image.

A rotation is nondestructive. Would it be possible to have a single shortcut key to "Rotate" the image. Only one direction is needed; 3 of them is still faster than it is now.


moderated Photo album improvements #suggestion

David
 

There are many thing to like about GIO's photo tools, including the rotation tool.

Many images in the group I help manage arrive as mail attachments. Moving them to albums is convoluted; download, then upload again.
It's a waste of bandwidth & a PITA to have to go this route; after all, they are already stored in an album, albeit the "mail" one.

But there are real advantages to have imagery gathered together in a titled album re: a topic.

And if you strip the images from the mail to avoid duplicates consuming storage, important context is lost for the imagery.

So I propose/suggest:

The ideal outcome would be you could move mail imagery into regular albums. When you do so, in place of the imagery, the archived email would get a attached link to the new location. So you can look at the album, or the mail, and still get there.

OR:

You can build a regular album with either imagery in mail attachments or directly uploaded. Then, the "message" images have a link to the album location.


moderated Weird topic-locking behavior in a particular group #misc #bug

 

Hi Mark,

Something weird may have gotten inadvertently introduced today, this just happened on a group of mine.  It almost looks like the system locked-topic notice gets sent or posted to the group as a new message (and topic) when I lock a regular topic.

I locked a topic and all seemingly happened as usual, except a message was now somehow sent (or just posted) to the group, containing the usual system notice:
Hello,
The topic you're attempting to reply to has been locked by the moderators.  If you believe you still need to reply to it please email the admins at alps+owner@alps.groups.io with your reply message text and explaining why you should be able to reply to that locked topic.
Thanks You.
The Group Admins

Looking at the headers online:
From: "ALPS Micro Dry printers Group Moderators" <ALPS+owner@ALPS.groups.io>
To: "ALPS@ALPS.groups.io" <ALPS@ALPS.groups.io>
Subject: [ALPS] Re: Help
Date: Mon, 09 May 2022 14:56:21 -0700
Message-ID: <lhuw.1652133381238059146.6hmr@groups.io>
Precedence: Bulk

Looking at the headers in Tbird:
From: "ALPS Micro Dry printers Group Moderators via groups.io" <ALPS+owner@...>
To: "ALPS@ALPS.groups.io" <ALPS@ALPS.groups.io>
Subject: [ALPS] Re: Help
Date: Mon, 09 May 2022 14:56:21 -0700
Message-ID: <lhuw.1652133381238059146.6hmr@groups.io>
Sender: ALPS@ALPS.groups.io
List-Id: <ALPS.ALPS.groups.io>
Mailing-List: list ALPS@ALPS.groups.io; contact ALPS+owner@ALPS.groups.io
Delivered-To: ALPS@ALPS.groups.io
And there is more weirdness about this:

- There's nothing in the log regarding this stray message, just the normal topic-locking entry for the original topic.
- A new topic with the same title as the locked topic gets created.  If I unlock and relock that same original topic, another notice gets sent to the group and it now threads under the newly-created stray topic.
- I can lock that stray new topic and in that case no additional message gets generated.
- Message moderation doesn't seem to make a difference, at least the "Moderate First Topic Message" vs Unmoderated.
- I can reproduce this in the above (premium) group but I cannot reproduce it in a free test group or another premium group, locking a topic there behaves normally.  I didn't test any more groups.

I tried the usual clear & restart browser, different browser, different PC, log out & back-in, didn't help.  I did upload a few PDFs and created a generic link (to a group topic) in Files in this group but that shouldn't make any difference.

I left for now those newly-created stray topics in that group for your examination.

Cheers,
Christos


moderated Re: Posting a message "from" the group owner address doesn't post as from the group owner address #bug

 

On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 5:41 PM Janet_Catlady <JanetOliviaCatlady@...> wrote:

There is another weirdness. I may be completely misremembering, but did Send Message (from the member page) use to exit all the way back to the group home page? I thought it went back to the member page or at least the member list. It seems all different now - you're plopped out onto the group home page with the banner "your message has been sent." I just don't remember it being that way.

This has been fixed. You're now returned to the member page.

Cheers,
Mark 


moderated Re: Download member list file name #suggestion

 

On Thu, May 5, 2022 at 1:11 PM Jack Heim <john@...> wrote:
Today I was migrating a group from the free service to a subgroup within
a premium group. This is a pretty common task it seems based on what I
see in the group owners list. Anyway, I made a serious mistake -- I
accidently imported the members of the group from the last time I did
this. The problem was that when you clikc the Download link on the
members page for a group, it creates a file in your Downloads folder
called memberslist.csv. Or i should say, that's what it does unless
there is already a file there by that name. In that case, it creates a
file called memberslist(1).csv. If you don't notice that, you are likely
to make the mistake I made.

I've changed it so the downloaded file is now the email address of the group with .csv appended.

Cheers,
Mark 


moderated Re: Log all reasons a message is being moderated #suggestion

Andy I
 

On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 08:30 AM, JohnF wrote:
How about a lock-and-forward feature? That is, allow the person who locks a topic to optionally specify a different existing topic to forward all replies to. Then the thread isn't really locked, but any replies to it will have their subject line rewritten and posted in the specified thread instead.

That happens anyway if you Merge the topics.  Any replies to the message, even email replies that still had the original second Subject line (that you want eliminated), get changed to use the merged Subject line as they pass through GIO's servers, so they will follow the specified (merged) thread.

Andy


moderated Re: Log all reasons a message is being moderated #suggestion

 

How about a lock-and-forward feature? That is, allow the person who locks a topic to optionally specify a different existing topic to forward all replies to. Then the thread isn't really locked, but any replies to it will have their subject line rewritten and posted in the specified thread instead.

JohnF


moderated Re: Log all reasons a message is being moderated #suggestion

Joseph Hudson
 

Hi J, here's another suggestion. Mark would need to implement this. But what about, when we lock a topic, instead of merging it. Making it so that the one that we lock, when people reply, set it up to where the group Owner's email address reply Swift this topic has been locked and the group owner has specified to reply to such and such topic. Could this be possible?

On May 8, 2022, at 12:59 PM, Janet_Catlady <JanetOliviaCatlady@...> wrote:

On Sun, May 8, 2022 at 10:43 AM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
When you merge them, and the original thread continues going, perhaps you may locket? That would probably fix the old thread from continuing to go.
Thanks Joseph but that doesn't really work. (BTW I just composed and sent a response, but it seems I hit some astronomically short groups.io downtime so I don't know where my message went. Please excuse if this is redundant.) If I merge and then lock, the entire thing is locked and nobody can reply at all, to either email thread, because they are now a single locked topic. OTOH if I just lock one of the topics, that's going to confuse and frustrate people trying to reply to the other one.
 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu



moderated Re: Log all reasons a message is being moderated #suggestion

 

On another note, it seems like groups.io might be sending multiple messages today. I noticed a duplicate by one of my group members last nite or this morning as well.


On May 8, 2022, at 12:13 PM, Janet_Catlady via groups.io <JanetOliviaCatlady@...> wrote:


If that can’t be done, maybe there could at least be a new action for the log, “Started new topic [name of/link to topic]


On May 8, 2022, at 11:46 AM, Janet_Catlady via groups.io <JanetOliviaCatlady@...> wrote:

On Sun, May 8, 2022 at 11:37 AM, Andy wrote:
(Or maybe I just need my cup of coffee.) 
LOL that makes two of us. I think it would be much too complicated to prioritize the reasons. I would just like to see all of them, makes no difference in what order.
 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Log all reasons a message is being moderated #suggestion

 

If that can’t be done, maybe there could at least be a new action for the log, “Started new topic [name of/link to topic]


On May 8, 2022, at 11:46 AM, Janet_Catlady via groups.io <JanetOliviaCatlady@...> wrote:

On Sun, May 8, 2022 at 11:37 AM, Andy wrote:
(Or maybe I just need my cup of coffee.) 
LOL that makes two of us. I think it would be much too complicated to prioritize the reasons. I would just like to see all of them, makes no difference in what order.
 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Log all reasons a message is being moderated #suggestion

 

If that can’t be done, maybe there could at least be a new action for the log, “Started new topic [name of/link to topic]


On May 8, 2022, at 11:46 AM, Janet_Catlady via groups.io <JanetOliviaCatlady@...> wrote:

On Sun, May 8, 2022 at 11:37 AM, Andy wrote:
(Or maybe I just need my cup of coffee.) 
LOL that makes two of us. I think it would be much too complicated to prioritize the reasons. I would just like to see all of them, makes no difference in what order.
 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Log all reasons a message is being moderated #suggestion

 

On Sun, May 8, 2022 at 11:37 AM, Andy wrote:
(Or maybe I just need my cup of coffee.) 
LOL that makes two of us. I think it would be much too complicated to prioritize the reasons. I would just like to see all of them, makes no difference in what order.
 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Log all reasons a message is being moderated #suggestion

 

On Sun, May 8, 2022 at 11:32 AM, Andy wrote:
fter that is done, and if someone replies (by email) to the message that had the different subject line, groups.io directs the reply to the merged topic and it automagically picks up the merged subject line
That is maybe a new(ish) thing. Didn't used to be that way and I stopped using Merge years ago. I'll check that out. Very helpful.
 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Log all reasons a message is being moderated #suggestion

Andy I
 

So I wonder if this (the original problem) should be handled by prioritizing the reasons for moderating messages.  If the message starts a new Topic AND the member is new-member-moderated (or is moderated for another reason), your group's rules dictate which one is flagged as being the listed reason for moderating the message.

Either that, or the message to Moderators (and in the Activity log) needs to list every reason.  Which effectively means that Mark needs to create a new list of reasons for moderation, to include every possible combination.

(Or maybe I just need my cup of coffee.)  :-)

Andy


moderated Re: Log all reasons a message is being moderated #suggestion

Andy I
 

J,

My reply (here) is not precisely about the message you received, but it's about the Merge.  I agree that the message ought to better say why the message was moderated; but I'm not sure I follow what you say about it being for two reasons.

Anyway, here is my experience with Merging topics.  After that is done, and if someone replies (by email) to the message that had the different subject line, groups.io directs the reply to the merged topic and it automagically picks up the merged subject line.  So there seems to be little danger of having multiple subject lines that continue to float around.  Yes the message is still "out there", but replies to it do the right thing.

I use the Merge feature frequently, to repair problems, and in the end it seems to work pretty well.  But as they say, YMMV.

Sorry to be OT.

Andy

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