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moderated Re: Posting Limits #suggestion

Jim F.
 

Andy and Pete-

Oh, we've tried, to the point of some nastiness that drove others away.  But some people just cannot limit themselves (despite having agreed to try), and for better or worse it isn't a group where the moderators can act unilaterally.  The problem is similar to someone hogging the floor at an in-person meeting; but those were more actively moderated and even so it wasn't always easy to deal with.  Online, people seem even quicker to take offense, which in turn makes it personal and acrimonious.  So, as I suggested, it would be very helpful to have an automatic, impersonal way to address the problem (after getting consensus on a numerical limit), rather than to see the substantive discussion sidetracked yet again. 

For some reason I got Pete's comment but not Andy's.

Best regards.

-Jim F.


On Jan 12, 2022, at 4:05 PM, Peter Cook <peterscottcook@...> wrote:

On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 04:03 PM, Andy wrote:
Maybe the solution is more feedback and encouragement to do better.
I agree. I have on occasion had to have conversations like this and I've found most people to be very cooperative.

Pete


moderated Re: Posting Limits #suggestion

Pete Cook
 

On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 04:03 PM, Andy wrote:
Maybe the solution is more feedback and encouragement to do better.
I agree. I have on occasion had to have conversations like this and I've found most people to be very cooperative.

Pete


moderated Re: Posting Limits #suggestion

Andy I
 

How would delaying messages until 6pm accomplish anything?

If you moderate their posts (whether all the time or after 15 posts), do you reject any?

Maybe the solution is more feedback and encouragement to do better.

Andy


moderated Posting Limits #suggestion

Jim F.
 

I moderate a site for a philosophy discussion group.  Unfortunately we have a couple chatterboxes who treat it as their personal blog and post multiple times daily.  We could moderate their posts but that would be too much work and raise censorship concerns; and we don't want to cut them off completely.  (After all, even a broken clock is right twice a day.) 

It would be very helpful to have a moderation function that would hold a moderated person's posts during the day and then automatically distribute them at a set time (say, 6 PM) each day. 

It would be even more helpful if such a moderation function could be automatically triggered after the person posted a threshold number of posts within a set time period (weekly, for us), and then be automatically reset at the end of that time period.  (So the daily hold would only apply after the person had posted, say, 15 times that week, and then the count would start over again the next week.)

For us it would be better for such limits to apply to all of a person's posts, rather than by topic, because some members often seem to accidentally start new topic threads on the same subject.  (We could limit the creation of topics but that would cause frustration and complaints, so we just clean them up afterwards.)

Thanks for a great site.  Best regards.

-Jim F.


moderated Re: If a member is moderated, also moderatoe their photo uploads #suggestion

 

>>> J -- I would be very much in favor of adding more granularity to permissions (re: the thread Duane referred to from six years ago).

 

I also would like to see more options like this as they can be useful.  Maybe rename the "Posting Privileges" panel to " Message Posting Privileges" and add another panel below it, "Group Feature Privileges" or "Feature [Usage/Access] Privileges" and put the options in there.

Cheers,
Christos



moderated Re: If a member is moderated, also moderatoe their photo uploads #suggestion

 

On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 10:24 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
can we at least agree to abandon the notion that it should apply to photo uploads only?
Absolutely. That's just what came up for my group in this one case. I don't allow members to upload files in my group anyway, for reasons similar to yours.
 
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moderated Re: If a member is moderated, also moderatoe their photo uploads #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 07:29 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
Maybe it’s a slippery slope, but it’s one I think we should be sliding down. It seems like currently, moderated members still have too much carte blanche. These could be group options if necessary to appease some.
J -- I would be very much in favor of adding more granularity to permissions (re: the thread Duane referred to from six years ago).

I have several subscribers that need to upload material to the Files area. I would like to grant them that permission without giving it to everyone. As it is, I have to make them Moderators -- with all that entails -- and prohibit it for ordinary Members. It's proven rather clumsy in practice.

But unless I've misread something, that's not what you're asking for -- you asked the new material to go into moderation. "Moderating" uploads (and/or wiki entries or whatever) create a whole new level of difficulty. Do pending uploads count against your quota? How long are wiki drafts left in pending? How do you deal with two pending edits that conflict with each other? All these questions have to be answered.

All that aside, can we at least agree to abandon the notion that it should apply to photo uploads only? Too easy to circumvent...need to do it right or not do it at all.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: If a member is moderated, also moderatoe their photo uploads #suggestion

Duane
 

On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 06:29 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
I think it’s important.
May be more important for unrestricted groups, but would be good for restricted groups as well, especially when you run into a problem member as you did.

Duane


moderated Re: notification to member when editing a photo caption? #misc

 

On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 04:27 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
If/when I get complaints from members, it's normally about receiving too many emails/notifications. If it was a member option to receive them or not then I wouldn't have any concerns.
BTW this suggestion is along the lines of and analogous to member notification when a message of theirs is edited. If implemented (and I think it should be), I think it should not be optional for the member to receive it, just as notifications of message edits are not optional.
 
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moderated Re: If a member is moderated, also moderatoe their photo uploads #suggestion

 

Thsnks, Duane (aka groups.io historian! 😊). I think it’s important.


On Jan 12, 2022, at 4:23 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 10:21 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I think photo uploads by moderated members should be moderated.
This was asked for over 6 years ago, was added to the Trello list on Oct 24, 2016, and Mark even said it would happen eventually on Mar 3, 2017.

Duane

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moderated Re: If a member is moderated, also moderatoe their photo uploads #suggestion

 

Maybe it’s a slippery slope, but it’s one I think we should be sliding down. It seems like currently, moderated members still have too much carte blanche. These could be group options if necessary to appease some.


On Jan 12, 2022, at 2:32 AM, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 11:21 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I just had a problematic member who's on moderation upload a whole album of photos, complete with captions (or descriptions - whatever the term is here) containing inaccurate statements about veterinary medicine. I got the photo upload notification after the fact. I think photo uploads by moderated members should be moderated.
Just photos? What about file uploads? Participating in chats? Adding entries to a database or the wiki?

Generally, this notion seems like a slippery slope. 

Regards,
Bruce

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moderated Re: notification to member when editing a photo caption? #misc

 

Then regard this as a suggestion. :-)


On Jan 12, 2022, at 3:49 AM, Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:

On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 04:21 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
I'm sorry to ask this in beta
Better suited to GMF or Group_Help I think.

Is there a notification to the member when a photo caption (or description - whatever the term is here) is edited by a moderator
No. The Mod has the option to notify all members but an individual notice to the member that uploaded the photo is not sent.   Moderators are notified of changes if they have elected to receive them. 

If not, should there be?
If/when I get complaints from members, it's normally about receiving too many emails/notifications. If it was a member option to receive them or not then I wouldn't have any concerns.

Regards
Andy

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moderated Re: If a member is moderated, also moderatoe their photo uploads #suggestion

Duane
 

On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 10:21 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I think photo uploads by moderated members should be moderated.
This was asked for over 6 years ago, was added to the Trello list on Oct 24, 2016, and Mark even said it would happen eventually on Mar 3, 2017.

Duane


moderated Re: notification to member when editing a photo caption? #misc

Andy Wedge
 

On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 04:21 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
I'm sorry to ask this in beta
Better suited to GMF or Group_Help I think.

Is there a notification to the member when a photo caption (or description - whatever the term is here) is edited by a moderator
No. The Mod has the option to notify all members but an individual notice to the member that uploaded the photo is not sent.   Moderators are notified of changes if they have elected to receive them. 

If not, should there be?
If/when I get complaints from members, it's normally about receiving too many emails/notifications. If it was a member option to receive them or not then I wouldn't have any concerns.

Regards
Andy


moderated Re: If a member is moderated, also moderatoe their photo uploads #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 11:21 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I just had a problematic member who's on moderation upload a whole album of photos, complete with captions (or descriptions - whatever the term is here) containing inaccurate statements about veterinary medicine. I got the photo upload notification after the fact. I think photo uploads by moderated members should be moderated.
Just photos? What about file uploads? Participating in chats? Adding entries to a database or the wiki?

Generally, this notion seems like a slippery slope. 

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: If a member is moderated, also moderatoe their photo uploads #suggestion

 

Correction: it's the photo-album description that needed to be edited.

On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 8:21 PM J_Catlady via groups.io <j.olivia.catlady=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I just had a problematic member who's on moderation upload a whole album of photos, complete with captions (or descriptions - whatever the term is here) containing inaccurate statements about veterinary medicine. I got the photo upload notification after the fact. I think photo uploads by moderated members should be moderated.
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated If a member is moderated, also moderatoe their photo uploads #suggestion

 

I just had a problematic member who's on moderation upload a whole album of photos, complete with captions (or descriptions - whatever the term is here) containing inaccurate statements about veterinary medicine. I got the photo upload notification after the fact. I think photo uploads by moderated members should be moderated.
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated notification to member when editing a photo caption? #misc

 

I'm sorry to ask this in beta, but I can't find it anywhere and it's the first time I've had to do it: Is there a notification to the member when a photo caption (or description - whatever the term is here) is edited by a moderator, just like when a message is edited? If not, should there be?
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moderated Re: #misc Disappearing Database #misc

Pamela Tatt
 

Thanks Mark, I will pass this on.

Kind regards,
Pamela


moderated Re: "All Messages By This Member" #suggestion

Jeannette Bellerose
 

Ruthie, I'm not 100% sure I fully understand your question. So I apologize if I'm totally off track here.
To see a list of messages sent by any particular member, you can go under "Admin->Members" and click on the member's name. Then at the top, click under "Activity History"; under "Actions" choose "Sent message" in the scroll down menu and click the Search button. You will then see a list of all their sent messages which, I assume, would include messages requiring approval.

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