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moderated Re: #misc Disappearing Database #misc

Pamela Tatt
 

Sorry Duane, my settings were correct -- all set to moderators only can edit.  Members can only view.

I create many databases and I am very careful to get the settings correct.  I honestly cannot understand how this could have happened and I do not believe the offending members (according to the activity log) would have any reason to be vindictive enough to cause this problem.  I was hoping that someone (Mark or one of his minions) would see if they could work out what happened.

Never mind -- I will go it alone and sort things out.
Thanks for your input.


moderated notify when member bounces #suggestion

Pete Cook
 

It would be helpful for me to have an optional moderator notification when a member bounces, particularly when they enter a hard bounce state.

Pete


moderated Re: #misc Disappearing Database #misc

Duane
 

On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 09:23 PM, Pamela Tatt wrote:
I am the only one who creates any database on our list and only have 3 very trusted moderators who have permission to edit.
There are permissions on the group settings page that you're probably looking at.  There are also permissions for each table as you create it.  If you create a table, but don't change its permissions, the default is that members can edit the table and rows.  I'd double check those as Pete suggested.  It sounds like you may have forgotten to change them on that table.

Duane


moderated Re: Change the landing page after one clicks on NewTopic-Discard button #suggestion

 

Forgot to add that the NewTopic "Send" click does take you back to the Topics page so fixing the "Discard" click would make it consistent.

Cheers,
Christos


moderated Canadian-French Ré: reply creates new topic instead of threading properly #bug

 

Hi Mark,

Could we add Ré: into the reply indicator list?  A Canadian-French member's replies that uses it are creating new topics instead of threading properly.

Thanks and Cheers,
Christos


moderated Change the landing page after one clicks on NewTopic-Discard button #suggestion

 

This is a piddly one but currently, if one is in the "New Topic" page and clicks on Discard they are taken back to the home page, with the green "The draft has been discarded" banner at the top.

IMO it think it would be more efficient and useful if it took you back to the Topics page.  Odds are that where you were when you went into "New Topic".

Cheers,
Christos


moderated Re: #misc Disappearing Database #misc

Pamela Tatt
 

Thanks Pete but all permissions are set to moderator etc only.

I am the only one who creates any database on our list and only have 3 very trusted moderators who have permission to edit.

It is a mystery that an 'ordinary' member was able to do this.


moderated Re: add "unrejection" feature (similar to "unban") #suggestion

 

I would call it "restore member." It could be applied to any past member.

The data exists - it's being saved in the past members list (even for rejected members). It just disappears when you direct add the member back in.
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moderated Re: add "unrejection" feature (similar to "unban") #suggestion

 

Someone else suggested that. Not talking about an automatic rejection. And how the pending member is or is not going to respond is not known a priori. I’m certainly not going to Claim all pending membership and let them accumulate.

I’m not inclined to argue this feature. Mark will either do it or not. It would simply be an added convenience.

I do think there’s something funky - perhaps could even be described as buggy - about the fact that the same account (email address), once rejected and subsequently direct added, appears in the Past Memberx and Members lists with completely different data in each list.

On Jan 5, 2022, at 7:04 PM, Michael Pavan <michaelpavan@...> wrote:

"Claim" the Pending Member (to stop the automatic Rejection after 14 days of no Moderator action) if you are going to 'tentatively set up other aspects of their page'.

On Jan 5, 2022, at 4:48 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Sometimes we reject a pending member because they fail to complete our questionnaire either in time, or in enough detail, etc. Meanwhile, we usually tentatively set up other aspects of their page - display name, some parts of their signature (which includes most of the answers from their questionnaire about their cat's medical history), etc. When they're rejected, everything goes away except the activity log. If they subsequently complete the questionnaire, or later decide to answer the rest of the questions they missed, we have to redo their membership page from scratch.

I know that a workaround consisting of "do nothing until they adequately respond" is reasonable, but sometimes - often - it's possible to start the setup process before everything is complete. And then later it's all lost. And to get them back in, we have to Direct Add and resurrect all of the information. So it would be nice, if not to onerous to implement, to be able to save more than the activity log for rejected members, and allow us to "unreject" a previously rejected member.



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J

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My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: add "unrejection" feature (similar to "unban") #suggestion

Michael Pavan
 

"Claim" the Pending Member (to stop the automatic Rejection after 14 days of no Moderator action) if you are going to 'tentatively set up other aspects of their page'.

On Jan 5, 2022, at 4:48 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Sometimes we reject a pending member because they fail to complete our questionnaire either in time, or in enough detail, etc. Meanwhile, we usually tentatively set up other aspects of their page - display name, some parts of their signature (which includes most of the answers from their questionnaire about their cat's medical history), etc. When they're rejected, everything goes away except the activity log. If they subsequently complete the questionnaire, or later decide to answer the rest of the questions they missed, we have to redo their membership page from scratch.

I know that a workaround consisting of "do nothing until they adequately respond" is reasonable, but sometimes - often - it's possible to start the setup process before everything is complete. And then later it's all lost. And to get them back in, we have to Direct Add and resurrect all of the information. So it would be nice, if not to onerous to implement, to be able to save more than the activity log for rejected members, and allow us to "unreject" a previously rejected member.


moderated Re: #misc Disappearing Database #misc

Pete Cook
 

Pamela, it can happen if the database's permissions are set to allow members to edit it. Click on the database and then click "Edit Table Properties" to view the settings.

Pete


moderated Re: #misc Disappearing Database #misc

Pamela Tatt
 

I have just discovered that a group member who is not a moderator or owner of our group has deleted all but 7 rows of the above mentioned database.

How can this happen???  I have written to her asking why but whether I get an answer or not is questionable.

Kind regards,
Pamela


moderated Re: add "unrejection" feature (similar to "unban") #suggestion

 

What's unusual is that in the Past Members list, the member shows up as "Rejected," which you can click on to see their Notes and Activity Log. However, if you Direct Add the same email address, all of that information is missing (even though it's the identical email address, and the account's Display Name is retained) and has to be copied from the Past Members--->Notes page.
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J

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moderated #misc Disappearing Database #misc

Pamela Tatt
 

I had a very important database with our Charity Calendar for the year - consisting of 49 entries 
This morning when I went to check something there are only 7 entries ????

There is nothing in my activity log to indicate what has happened.  The time of last edit is 6 something am.  I was not online at that time.  BTW I am in Queensland, Australia.

I realise I will have to redo all of the entries -- not a problem as such except a waste of valuable time.  The reason I am reporting this is because I do not want it to happen again!

Thanks for reading,
Pamela Tatt
Knit4Charities Inc


moderated Re: add "unrejection" feature (similar to "unban") #suggestion

 

On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 02:19 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
f the former then why start setting things up for them?
As I said, the obvious "workaround" is to do nothing until everything is complete, which is what you're suggesting here. And in our case, it's more convenient to start setting up the membership as soon as we have some info.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Allow Users to Disable Email Address Truncation on Website #suggestion

Duane
 

On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 06:04 PM, Noah Carver wrote:
unreasonable to prevent legitimate members who choose to use the website rather than their mail clients from accessing email addresses which are purposefully provided in a message
That's entirely up to the group owner(s).  If they change the setting for the group, you'd see them online.  If they have a concern, they can read all about the settings in the Owners Manual.

Duane


moderated Re: Allow Users to Disable Email Address Truncation on Website #suggestion

 

It should make no difference if I receive an email containing addresses using my email client or the website so long as I am the member of the list. I would understand your privacy concern if I wasn't a member of the lists in question and was requesting an exception on that basis, however I am a member. I believe that it is  unreasonable to prevent legitimate members who choose to use the website rather than their mail clients from accessing email addresses which are purposefully provided in a message due to privacy concerns which don't seem to make sense. How is it more private to receive an email containing contact email addresses in GMail, but not private to receive these same messages in Groups.io's interface? There should not be a double standard for those who choose to receive list emails in their inbox and those who choose not to receive them there. I understand redacting email addresses in public archives, but I don't understand redacting addresses for members viewing the archives. Can you explain your rationale for allowing group owners from redacting addresses from members and nonmembers alike?


moderated Re: add "unrejection" feature (similar to "unban") #suggestion

Pete Cook
 

On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 05:19 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
why start setting things up for them
I can see the logic. In my group we reject join requests if the person doesn't respond to our questionnaire within 12 hours, but many of them reapply and are ultimately accepted. We don't do any "setup" (the person joining makes any member settings changes they need to) but J does, so it make sense.

Pete


moderated Re: add "unrejection" feature (similar to "unban") #suggestion

Chris Jones
 

On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 09:49 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
Sometimes we reject a pending member because they fail to complete our questionnaire either in time, or in enough detail, etc
Is that an "active" rejection by moderator action or an auto - rejection by 14 day time - out? If the former then why start setting things up for them? If the latter why not use the "Claim" capability to stop auto - rejection?

Chris


moderated Re: Allow Users to Disable Email Address Truncation on Website #suggestion

Pete Cook
 

Noah, email address visibility in the archive is a privacy setting, and the ability to change privacy settings is by design available only to owners and moderators. I personally would be 100% against any members being able to override that setting (or any other group-wide settings, for that matter).

{Pete

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