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moderated Re: #misc Disappearing Database #misc

Pamela Tatt
 

I have just discovered that a group member who is not a moderator or owner of our group has deleted all but 7 rows of the above mentioned database.

How can this happen???  I have written to her asking why but whether I get an answer or not is questionable.

Kind regards,
Pamela


moderated Re: add "unrejection" feature (similar to "unban") #suggestion

 

What's unusual is that in the Past Members list, the member shows up as "Rejected," which you can click on to see their Notes and Activity Log. However, if you Direct Add the same email address, all of that information is missing (even though it's the identical email address, and the account's Display Name is retained) and has to be copied from the Past Members--->Notes page.
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moderated #misc Disappearing Database #misc

Pamela Tatt
 

I had a very important database with our Charity Calendar for the year - consisting of 49 entries 
This morning when I went to check something there are only 7 entries ????

There is nothing in my activity log to indicate what has happened.  The time of last edit is 6 something am.  I was not online at that time.  BTW I am in Queensland, Australia.

I realise I will have to redo all of the entries -- not a problem as such except a waste of valuable time.  The reason I am reporting this is because I do not want it to happen again!

Thanks for reading,
Pamela Tatt
Knit4Charities Inc


moderated Re: add "unrejection" feature (similar to "unban") #suggestion

 

On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 02:19 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
f the former then why start setting things up for them?
As I said, the obvious "workaround" is to do nothing until everything is complete, which is what you're suggesting here. And in our case, it's more convenient to start setting up the membership as soon as we have some info.
 
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moderated Re: Allow Users to Disable Email Address Truncation on Website #suggestion

Duane
 

On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 06:04 PM, Noah Carver wrote:
unreasonable to prevent legitimate members who choose to use the website rather than their mail clients from accessing email addresses which are purposefully provided in a message
That's entirely up to the group owner(s).  If they change the setting for the group, you'd see them online.  If they have a concern, they can read all about the settings in the Owners Manual.

Duane


moderated Re: Allow Users to Disable Email Address Truncation on Website #suggestion

 

It should make no difference if I receive an email containing addresses using my email client or the website so long as I am the member of the list. I would understand your privacy concern if I wasn't a member of the lists in question and was requesting an exception on that basis, however I am a member. I believe that it is  unreasonable to prevent legitimate members who choose to use the website rather than their mail clients from accessing email addresses which are purposefully provided in a message due to privacy concerns which don't seem to make sense. How is it more private to receive an email containing contact email addresses in GMail, but not private to receive these same messages in Groups.io's interface? There should not be a double standard for those who choose to receive list emails in their inbox and those who choose not to receive them there. I understand redacting email addresses in public archives, but I don't understand redacting addresses for members viewing the archives. Can you explain your rationale for allowing group owners from redacting addresses from members and nonmembers alike?


moderated Re: add "unrejection" feature (similar to "unban") #suggestion

Pete Cook
 

On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 05:19 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
why start setting things up for them
I can see the logic. In my group we reject join requests if the person doesn't respond to our questionnaire within 12 hours, but many of them reapply and are ultimately accepted. We don't do any "setup" (the person joining makes any member settings changes they need to) but J does, so it make sense.

Pete


moderated Re: add "unrejection" feature (similar to "unban") #suggestion

Chris Jones
 

On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 09:49 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
Sometimes we reject a pending member because they fail to complete our questionnaire either in time, or in enough detail, etc
Is that an "active" rejection by moderator action or an auto - rejection by 14 day time - out? If the former then why start setting things up for them? If the latter why not use the "Claim" capability to stop auto - rejection?

Chris


moderated Re: Allow Users to Disable Email Address Truncation on Website #suggestion

Pete Cook
 

Noah, email address visibility in the archive is a privacy setting, and the ability to change privacy settings is by design available only to owners and moderators. I personally would be 100% against any members being able to override that setting (or any other group-wide settings, for that matter).

{Pete


moderated add "unrejection" feature (similar to "unban") #suggestion

 

Sometimes we reject a pending member because they fail to complete our questionnaire either in time, or in enough detail, etc. Meanwhile, we usually tentatively set up other aspects of their page - display name, some parts of their signature (which includes most of the answers from their questionnaire about their cat's medical history), etc. When they're rejected, everything goes away except the activity log. If they subsequently complete the questionnaire, or later decide to answer the rest of the questions they missed, we have to redo their membership page from scratch.

I know that a workaround consisting of "do nothing until they adequately respond" is reasonable, but sometimes - often - it's possible to start the setup process before everything is complete. And then later it's all lost. And to get them back in, we have to Direct Add and resurrect all of the information. So it would be nice, if not to onerous to implement, to be able to save more than the activity log for rejected members, and allow us to "unreject" a previously rejected member.
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moderated Re: Allow Users to Disable Email Address Truncation on Website #suggestion

Duane
 

On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 03:28 PM, Noah Carver wrote:
I would therefore request that the ability to control email address truncation be made available to a group's members as a global setting within Groups.io settings
Wouldn't this have to override the group setting?

however legitimate group members can compose emails to email addresses provided within messages using their mail clients with no difficulty.
Though not quite as easy, you also have the option of using the Email button on the person's Profile, assuming they're group members, in the Directory.  For that to work, they'd have to have a profile and make it available/public to the group.

Duane


moderated Allow Users to Disable Email Address Truncation on Website #suggestion

 

To Whom it May Concern,

I am a member of several groups, however I elect not to receive emails to my email address. Instead, I manage all groups via the website so that I can keep my inbox clean while participating in email groups.

I am subscribed to at least two groups which send out daily event schedules. Each daily message  contains the email addresses of several event coordinators, staff members, etc., however the Groups.io website truncates them. As a result, I am unable to send emails to the coordinators  without receiving the group's messages in my inbox in some form, which is something I am unwilling to do as I already receive a large number of emails and don't wish to add to the pile.

I have emailed Group_Help to enquire if this feature is already available, however I was advised that this truncation is controlled by group owners only. I would therefore request that the ability to control email address truncation be made available to a group's members as a global setting within Groups.io settings. This way, group owners can prevent scrapers and bots from scraping email addresses from archives, however legitimate group members can compose emails to email addresses provided within messages using their mail clients with no difficulty.

Regards,

Noah Carver


moderated Re: Change wording of "vote now" link in polls #suggestion #done

Andy
 

On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 05:54 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
That's already the case with the Unsubscribe link at the bottom of every email.

Yes, I remember that.  And did not much like it.

But -- Does it actually give someone else access to your GIO account?  Or does it just unsubscribe you, or prompt GIO to send you a confirmation email?

Leaving someone else's computer logged in to your account would not be a good thing, IMHO.

Andy


moderated Re: Change wording of "vote now" link in polls #suggestion #done

Glenn Glazer
 

On 01/04/2022 15:49, Bruce Bowman wrote:
On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 06:07 PM, Glenn Glazer wrote:
I would assume that if someone forwarded such a link to someone not in the group the link referenced, that the latter person's clicking on the link would not cause any changes to the group and just take them to an error or home page. Correct?
You could assume that, but that's not the way it works with the existing unsubscribe link. Anyone with the link can unsubscribe you.

Oh no. Thanks for correcting me... that's not optimal and I begin to understand the concerns others have.


My own preference would be to somehow divorce the voting function from the login function. Such a "vote now" link (or whatever we're calling it) would identify which member you are, and take you to a place where you can vote, but not actually log you in (i.e.: so you can't do any further damage).

Not a trivial exercise.

Regards,
Bruce

I think MFA is the solution to these problems. If the link holder can't respond correctly with the second auth form, then they aren't that person and no harm can be done.

Best,

Glenn

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moderated Re: Change wording of "vote now" link in polls #suggestion #done

Bruce Bowman
 

On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 06:07 PM, Glenn Glazer wrote:
I would assume that if someone forwarded such a link to someone not in the group the link referenced, that the latter person's clicking on the link would not cause any changes to the group and just take them to an error or home page. Correct?
You could assume that, but that's not the way it works with the existing unsubscribe link. Anyone with the link can unsubscribe you.

My own preference would be to somehow divorce the voting function from the login function. Such a "vote now" link (or whatever we're calling it) would identify which member you are, and take you to a place where you can vote, but not actually log you in (i.e.: so you can't do any further damage).

Not a trivial exercise.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: Change wording of "vote now" link in polls #suggestion #done

Glenn Glazer
 

On 01/04/2022 14:54, Mark Fletcher wrote:
On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 2:13 PM Andy <AI.egrps+io@...> wrote:
On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 04:39 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
... I think the ideal solution would be to have a custom Click Here To Vote link that automatically logged people in. ...

Hmm.  I don't like a link that automatically logs you in.  The member might forward the email to others, and then others have access to their GIO account.

That's already the case with the Unsubscribe link at the bottom of every email.

Mark 

I would assume that if someone forwarded such a link to someone not in the group the link referenced, that the latter person's clicking on the link would not cause any changes to the group and just take them to an error or home page. Correct?

Thus, for a poll, it's the same as if they used the email they got from the group if they are in it and a no op if they aren't.

Best,

Glenn

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moderated Re: Change wording of "vote now" link in polls #suggestion #done

 

On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 02:54 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I don't like a link that automatically logs you in. 
That's a common practice, and not just on this site. There's usually a warning not to forward the link to anyone.
 
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moderated Re: Change wording of "vote now" link in polls #suggestion #done

 

On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 2:13 PM Andy <AI.egrps+io@...> wrote:
On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 04:39 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
... I think the ideal solution would be to have a custom Click Here To Vote link that automatically logged people in. ...

Hmm.  I don't like a link that automatically logs you in.  The member might forward the email to others, and then others have access to their GIO account.

That's already the case with the Unsubscribe link at the bottom of every email.

Mark 


moderated Re: Change wording of "vote now" link in polls #suggestion #done

 

Thanks, Mark!
And Happy New Year, everyone!
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Change wording of "vote now" link in polls #suggestion #done

Andy
 

On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 04:39 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
... I think the ideal solution would be to have a custom Click Here To Vote link that automatically logged people in. ...

Hmm.  I don't like a link that automatically logs you in.  The member might forward the email to others, and then others have access to their GIO account.

Or is that not what you meant?

Andy

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