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moderated Re: For topics that are both locked and moderated, display both icons #suggestion

 

On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 12:10 PM, Christos Psarras wrote:
what was old is new again,
At that time, I was unaware that mod replies to locked+moderated topics would be moderated. In fact, it's even possible, depending on the change history, that mods were unable to reply to locked topics back then. And at that time, before mods could reply to locked topics, the Mdoerated icon WAS redundant because the functionality didn't change whether a locked topic was moderated or not. At that time, the functionality of "Locked and Moderated" and "Locked" were identical and the moderated icon did nothing.

In any event, we agree now. That all said, it may soon be moot anyway because Mark may revert the change back. Until then, I think both icons should be displayed.
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moderated Re: For topics that are both locked and moderated, display both icons #suggestion

 

On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 11:55 AM, Andy Wedge wrote:
You seemed to be arguing the other way in September #30319.
Thanks for finding that conversation. As I explained, I was unaware then that mod replies would be moderated.

If a moderator posts a message to what appears to be just a locked topic and it is also moderated, then they should be able to see that in the pending queue and approve it.
Not all moderators have message approval permissions, or even viewability of pending messages. Many of mine don't. So that's incorrect.
 
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moderated Re: For topics that are both locked and moderated, display both icons #suggestion

 

>>> Currently, a topic that's both locked and moderated displays only the locked icon. But unless and until the change allowing mods to reply to locked topics is undone, I think topics that are both locked and moderated should show both icons. 

I agreed to that, it is a display consistency issue and a couple of other issues I already mentioned back then.  "Moderated" is just another property, just like "Locked", "Sticky", etc.  If "Locked" meant topic is really locked and nobody can post to it, then the way the display works now would be fine.  But admins are allowed to post to locked topics currently, so the "Moderated" icon should also be displayed if ON, even if it doesn't make that much sense to regular members, it does for admins, currently anyway.

>>> I vaguely recall some conversations here about these icons ...

Yes, serendipity, what was old is new again, whatever one wants to call it, that was my topic, https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/icon_display_consistency/85758460, but nothing came out of it as more or less everyone was against it. But regardless of that, I'm glad you changed your mind and joined us in the Bark Side.

Cheers,
Christos


moderated Re: For topics that are both locked and moderated, display both icons #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 05:39 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I don't recall the conversations being about whether or not both icons should be displayed, and I now think that they should.
You seemed to be arguing the other way in September #30319.  If a topic is locked and moderated then for the majority of members, the locked icon will be most significant. If a moderator posts a message to what appears to be just a locked topic and it is also moderated, then they should be able to see that in the pending queue and approve it.

Regards
Andy


John Wood
 

I am the owner of several small community focussed (not commercial) groups.  At the moment they are all free.

One of these groups has 50 members and would really benefit from access to the calendar and the increased attachment storage, but $220 / year  would be more than this group can afford: it's a big jump from free to premium and we don't need most of the paid features.  Is there any way to introduce a 'basic plus' subscription level at a price we could afford?   We'd be happy to pay a small fee to add Calendar, Photos, Files, but we don't need the Polls, Chat, Member Directory, Integrations, Database, Wiki.  The group is also very unlikely ever to grow to anywhere near the 500 member line.


moderated For topics that are both locked and moderated, display both icons #suggestion

 

Currently, a topic that's both locked and moderated displays only the locked icon. But unless and until the change allowing mods to reply to locked topics is undone, I think topics that are both locked and moderated should show both icons.

I vaguely recall some conversations here about these icons, but don't remember exactly what they were about. However, I don't recall the conversations being about whether or not both icons should be displayed, and I now think that they should. I myself was not aware, until I tested this recently (as part of Bruce's issue with wayward mods replying to locked topics), that "locked and moderated" was functionally different from "locked." I now realize that it is. And a mod who replies to a locked topic may wonder why their post is not appearing immediately. Although Nina has just added this to the docs (thanks, Nina), unless the icon actually appears I think mods will wonder what happened.

Of course, Mark is now considering undoing allowing mods to reply to locked topics. But unless and until that happens, I think both icons should appear.
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moderated Re: Edit: save and send to group function #bug

 

On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 07:22 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
It can also imply editing during moderation...  sometimes required unfortunately.
But in that case you wouldn't refer to "save and send."
 
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moderated Re: Edit: save and send to group function #bug

Chris Jones
 

On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 03:19 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
If you're editing and saving, that kinda implies the message already exists, i.e., is "old."
It can also imply editing during moderation...  sometimes required unfortunately.

Chris


moderated Re: Edit: save and send to group function #bug

 

On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 07:03 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
talk of edit old messages while your GMF query related to When we edit and save messages, with no mention of their being "old".
Haven't seen the GMF post (I'm not in there), but what's the difference? If you're editing and saving, that kinda implies the message already exists, i.e., is "old."
 
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moderated Re: Edit: save and send to group function #bug

Chris Jones
 

On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 01:32 PM, Sarah Procter Abbott wrote:
When I edit old messages and save the edit, it works fine.
Is this the same problem that you raised on the GMF or a subtly different one? I ask because here you talk of edit old messages while your GMF query related to When we edit and save messages, with no mention of their being "old". In practice it might make no difference, but I'm curious about which it is.

Chris


moderated Re: Edit: save and send to group function #bug

 

Works fine for me.
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moderated Re: Edit: save and send to group function #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 01:32 PM, Sarah Procter Abbott wrote:
When I edit old messages and save the edit, it works fine. However, when I edit and click the "save and send to group" option, the messages are not being sent to the group.
When you say not being sent to the group, does your edited message appear in the Archive? Did you check your Activity Log as suggested by Chris when you raised this on GMF? Also, have you checked your email delivery history just after you did the "Save and Send"?  If details of that message are in the "Most Recent Successful Delivery" section then Groups.io has delivered the message to your mail provider and it's between you and them to sort out.  If a reference to the message appears in either Unsuccessful or Bounces section, the the details there will guide your next steps.  As I mentioned on GMF, I tested this on one of my groups and it worked OK for me.

Regards
Andy


moderated Edit: save and send to group function #bug

Sarah Procter Abbott
 

When I edit old messages and save the edit, it works fine. However, when I edit and click the "save and send to group" option, the messages are not being sent to the group.

Please could someone check this and this if there is a glitch that needs to be fixed.

Very grateful for the wonderful io groups every day!

Sarah


moderated Re: #suggestion Member Notice for Donations or Sponsorships #suggestion

Duane
 

On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 03:07 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
How about this:
 
- For donations and sponsorship payments, we send out an acknowledgement email with the amount, group name, etc. Very similar to the invoice email we send out now when we bill a group.
- I also add a member notice that gets sent upon a group sponsorship.
That would work for me.  It sounds like the first part would go to group owners/mods and the second to the member.  If the member notice doesn't include the amount, it could include a link to the member's Billing page so they could verify it.  That same format/link could be used for automatic acknowledgement of Donations instead of a separate notice type.

Thanks,
Duane


moderated Re: Photo Size vs Photo Load Time #misc

 

Any chance you have the larger photos cached, so your browser is loading those from the cache, but having to go to the network for the smaller ones? You can try a Control-Reload (or Control-F5) on both large and small versions to see if that's a possibility.

JohnF


moderated Re: Photo Size vs Photo Load Time #misc

Bob Bellizzi
 

Consider:
Uploading is file to memory to output
Downloading is file to memory to browser to display
Speed up and down may also be different at different times
Memory size, prpcessor speed, number of cores, etc all play into differences betrween upload and down/display

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moderated Re: Photo Size vs Photo Load Time #misc

Mike Hanauer
 

Thank so much, Bruce.

At home, I am on DSL which for me is only 1Mb. That might sound awful, but email, web browsing and even TV streaming work fine. But the slower speed might amplify the problem - and indicate that there really is more data to be downloaded from the 150KB photos than the 1MB photos. Strange.

If I go somewhere with high bandwidth (15Mb+), the problem is less noticeable.

Anyway, thanks for any thoughts here. I do wonder if it has to do with the storage algorithm on groups.io for JPEGs.

AllTheBest.

    ~Mike


On Monday, November 15, 2021, 01:40:23 PM EST, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:


Mike -- Based on that setting, photos are downscaled for storage, but are upscaled for display. I was going to suggest that your browser may be taking some time in doing that, but if you're using Chrome (as I am), that seems unlikely.

In fact, I've tried my best to replicate your experience to no avail. It's for that reason that I failed to respond to your initial post in GMF. I suspect I am not alone in that.

I do hope you get this figured out.

Good luck,
Bruce


moderated Re: Photo Size vs Photo Load Time #misc

Bruce Bowman
 

Mike -- Based on that setting, photos are downscaled for storage, but are upscaled for display. I was going to suggest that your browser may be taking some time in doing that, but if you're using Chrome (as I am), that seems unlikely.

In fact, I've tried my best to replicate your experience to no avail. It's for that reason that I failed to respond to your initial post in GMF. I suspect I am not alone in that.

I do hope you get this figured out.

Good luck,
Bruce


moderated Re: Photo Size vs Photo Load Time #misc

Mike Hanauer
 

I'm looking at the photos via web, photos, using Chrome.

The ones that were there before I changed to:
Photos
Permissions
Members can view, moderators can upload
Who can view and upload to the group photos section.

Max Size In Photos Section
Resized to a max of 488x488
Automatically resize photos uploaded to the photos section that are larger than a specific size.

Are about 1 meg. the newer ones uploaded after the 488x488 change are about 150kB
Yet the older ones display much faster even though at least the file size is < 1/5 the size.

Love some insight here?  Thanks.

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"Still more population growth is not our way to a healthy community, a healthy planet, OR enjoyable cycling."

    ~Mike


On Monday, November 15, 2021, 11:57:10 AM EST, Andy <ai.egrps+io@...> wrote:


Are you downloading the photos, or displaying them in the webpage?  Groups.io might be taking longer to re-scale and image the file for you on the fly in your web browser.  It might be faster to just right-click Download and open it in your computer instead of the browser.

Bear in mind -- my use of "download" may not be the same as yours.  When I say "download" I mean transferring it as a file to my computer.  When I open or display an image in the web browser, that is not what I would call a "download".

Andy


moderated Re: Photo Size vs Photo Load Time #misc

Mark Fletcher
 

On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 07:19 AM, Mike Hanauer wrote:


Yet, displaying the newly uploaded photos takes noticeably longer - it loads top to bottom in sections and takes much longer to fully display.

We don't resize images on the fly. We resize them when we initially process the emails. So something in the new versions of the images is causing your computer to display them more slowly. I'm not a JPEG expert, so unfortunately I can't say what that might be.

Mark

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