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moderated Re: Premium #suggestion

John Wood
 

Well I’m not sure about that, maybe it would need to be a pretty low entry price, based on the number of features to be included.   None of the group members have much money, but it would mean groups like this could start paying you something.   

Free data storage and calendars are of course available online, but keeping everything together with the emails is really what interests us.  

I think the ability to set up subgroups would also be useful, but as I said, for this type of group, at this membership level,  I don’t think we’d need most of the other features.  

I can upgrade my free iCloud storage from 5GB to 50GB for about a dollar a month.  

I really need to put this to the group to see what they think.

John Wood






The calendar - .  

On 16 Nov 2021, at 22:32, Christos Psarras <christos@...> wrote:

John,

>>> it's a big jump from free to premium

I (and others) also agree and there have been several times in the past when this was discussed, here and on GMF.


>>> We'd be happy to pay a small fee to add Calendar, Photos, Files, but we don't need the Polls, Chat, Member Directory, Integrations, Database, Wiki. 


What do you consider to be a small fee for what you're asking for?

Cheers,
Christos


moderated Re: For topics that are both locked and moderated, display both icons #suggestion

 

On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 02:36 PM, Andy Wedge wrote:
having trouble seeing where the advantage is
Same advantage as the icon provides generally. The same message at the top of the screen appears for a regular moderated topic. Email users don't see that icon, either. So you may as well argue that the icon is useless overall.
 
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moderated Re: For topics that are both locked and moderated, display both icons #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 08:52 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 12:40 PM, Andy Wedge wrote:
if they have relevant permissions'
Exactly. And if they don't, they will wonder why their message didn't go through. Which is why the icon should be there for their information.
For an online user, there's a message at the top of the screen that states when a message needs to be approved by Moderators. Having an additional icon would seem to just give them advanced warning that they will get that message.  Email users don't receive a notification and they wouldn't see the icon either so I'm still having trouble seeing where the advantage is.

Regards
Andy


moderated Re: Premium #suggestion

 

John,

>>> it's a big jump from free to premium

I (and others) also agree and there have been several times in the past when this was discussed, here and on GMF.


>>> We'd be happy to pay a small fee to add Calendar, Photos, Files, but we don't need the Polls, Chat, Member Directory, Integrations, Database, Wiki. 


What do you consider to be a small fee for what you're asking for?

Cheers,
Christos


moderated Re: For topics that are both locked and moderated, display both icons #suggestion

 

On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 12:40 PM, Andy Wedge wrote:
if they have relevant permissions'
Exactly. And if they don't, they will wonder why their message didn't go through. Which is why the icon should be there for their information.
I'm done.
 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: For topics that are both locked and moderated, display both icons #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 08:31 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
it's not a given that a mod can approve a message
I thought I'd be stating the obvious if I included 'if they have relevant permissions'

Andy


moderated Re: For topics that are both locked and moderated, display both icons #suggestion

 

On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 12:24 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
As I explained, I was unaware then that mod replies would be moderated.
In fact, at that time it was possible that mods couldn't yet reply to locked topics. I don't remember exactly when Mark made the change. But in any event. it should be displayed now since it's not a given that a mod can approve a message or even know it's in pending.
 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: For topics that are both locked and moderated, display both icons #suggestion

 

On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 12:10 PM, Christos Psarras wrote:
what was old is new again,
At that time, I was unaware that mod replies to locked+moderated topics would be moderated. In fact, it's even possible, depending on the change history, that mods were unable to reply to locked topics back then. And at that time, before mods could reply to locked topics, the Mdoerated icon WAS redundant because the functionality didn't change whether a locked topic was moderated or not. At that time, the functionality of "Locked and Moderated" and "Locked" were identical and the moderated icon did nothing.

In any event, we agree now. That all said, it may soon be moot anyway because Mark may revert the change back. Until then, I think both icons should be displayed.
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: For topics that are both locked and moderated, display both icons #suggestion

 

On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 11:55 AM, Andy Wedge wrote:
You seemed to be arguing the other way in September #30319.
Thanks for finding that conversation. As I explained, I was unaware then that mod replies would be moderated.

If a moderator posts a message to what appears to be just a locked topic and it is also moderated, then they should be able to see that in the pending queue and approve it.
Not all moderators have message approval permissions, or even viewability of pending messages. Many of mine don't. So that's incorrect.
 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: For topics that are both locked and moderated, display both icons #suggestion

 

>>> Currently, a topic that's both locked and moderated displays only the locked icon. But unless and until the change allowing mods to reply to locked topics is undone, I think topics that are both locked and moderated should show both icons. 

I agreed to that, it is a display consistency issue and a couple of other issues I already mentioned back then.  "Moderated" is just another property, just like "Locked", "Sticky", etc.  If "Locked" meant topic is really locked and nobody can post to it, then the way the display works now would be fine.  But admins are allowed to post to locked topics currently, so the "Moderated" icon should also be displayed if ON, even if it doesn't make that much sense to regular members, it does for admins, currently anyway.

>>> I vaguely recall some conversations here about these icons ...

Yes, serendipity, what was old is new again, whatever one wants to call it, that was my topic, https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/icon_display_consistency/85758460, but nothing came out of it as more or less everyone was against it. But regardless of that, I'm glad you changed your mind and joined us in the Bark Side.

Cheers,
Christos


moderated Re: For topics that are both locked and moderated, display both icons #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 05:39 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I don't recall the conversations being about whether or not both icons should be displayed, and I now think that they should.
You seemed to be arguing the other way in September #30319.  If a topic is locked and moderated then for the majority of members, the locked icon will be most significant. If a moderator posts a message to what appears to be just a locked topic and it is also moderated, then they should be able to see that in the pending queue and approve it.

Regards
Andy


John Wood
 

I am the owner of several small community focussed (not commercial) groups.  At the moment they are all free.

One of these groups has 50 members and would really benefit from access to the calendar and the increased attachment storage, but $220 / year  would be more than this group can afford: it's a big jump from free to premium and we don't need most of the paid features.  Is there any way to introduce a 'basic plus' subscription level at a price we could afford?   We'd be happy to pay a small fee to add Calendar, Photos, Files, but we don't need the Polls, Chat, Member Directory, Integrations, Database, Wiki.  The group is also very unlikely ever to grow to anywhere near the 500 member line.


moderated For topics that are both locked and moderated, display both icons #suggestion

 

Currently, a topic that's both locked and moderated displays only the locked icon. But unless and until the change allowing mods to reply to locked topics is undone, I think topics that are both locked and moderated should show both icons.

I vaguely recall some conversations here about these icons, but don't remember exactly what they were about. However, I don't recall the conversations being about whether or not both icons should be displayed, and I now think that they should. I myself was not aware, until I tested this recently (as part of Bruce's issue with wayward mods replying to locked topics), that "locked and moderated" was functionally different from "locked." I now realize that it is. And a mod who replies to a locked topic may wonder why their post is not appearing immediately. Although Nina has just added this to the docs (thanks, Nina), unless the icon actually appears I think mods will wonder what happened.

Of course, Mark is now considering undoing allowing mods to reply to locked topics. But unless and until that happens, I think both icons should appear.
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moderated Re: Edit: save and send to group function #bug

 

On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 07:22 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
It can also imply editing during moderation...  sometimes required unfortunately.
But in that case you wouldn't refer to "save and send."
 
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moderated Re: Edit: save and send to group function #bug

Chris Jones
 

On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 03:19 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
If you're editing and saving, that kinda implies the message already exists, i.e., is "old."
It can also imply editing during moderation...  sometimes required unfortunately.

Chris


moderated Re: Edit: save and send to group function #bug

 

On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 07:03 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
talk of edit old messages while your GMF query related to When we edit and save messages, with no mention of their being "old".
Haven't seen the GMF post (I'm not in there), but what's the difference? If you're editing and saving, that kinda implies the message already exists, i.e., is "old."
 
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moderated Re: Edit: save and send to group function #bug

Chris Jones
 

On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 01:32 PM, Sarah Procter Abbott wrote:
When I edit old messages and save the edit, it works fine.
Is this the same problem that you raised on the GMF or a subtly different one? I ask because here you talk of edit old messages while your GMF query related to When we edit and save messages, with no mention of their being "old". In practice it might make no difference, but I'm curious about which it is.

Chris


moderated Re: Edit: save and send to group function #bug

 

Works fine for me.
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moderated Re: Edit: save and send to group function #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 01:32 PM, Sarah Procter Abbott wrote:
When I edit old messages and save the edit, it works fine. However, when I edit and click the "save and send to group" option, the messages are not being sent to the group.
When you say not being sent to the group, does your edited message appear in the Archive? Did you check your Activity Log as suggested by Chris when you raised this on GMF? Also, have you checked your email delivery history just after you did the "Save and Send"?  If details of that message are in the "Most Recent Successful Delivery" section then Groups.io has delivered the message to your mail provider and it's between you and them to sort out.  If a reference to the message appears in either Unsuccessful or Bounces section, the the details there will guide your next steps.  As I mentioned on GMF, I tested this on one of my groups and it worked OK for me.

Regards
Andy


moderated Edit: save and send to group function #bug

Sarah Procter Abbott
 

When I edit old messages and save the edit, it works fine. However, when I edit and click the "save and send to group" option, the messages are not being sent to the group.

Please could someone check this and this if there is a glitch that needs to be fixed.

Very grateful for the wonderful io groups every day!

Sarah

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