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moderated Re: Photo Size vs Photo Load Time #misc

Mike Hanauer
 

I'm looking at the photos via web, photos, using Chrome.

The ones that were there before I changed to:
Photos
Permissions
Members can view, moderators can upload
Who can view and upload to the group photos section.

Max Size In Photos Section
Resized to a max of 488x488
Automatically resize photos uploaded to the photos section that are larger than a specific size.

Are about 1 meg. the newer ones uploaded after the 488x488 change are about 150kB
Yet the older ones display much faster even though at least the file size is < 1/5 the size.

Love some insight here?  Thanks.

Consider Better, not Bigger. So many advantages. Just ask. USA adds a Chicago to our overpop each year.
"Still more population growth is not our way to a healthy community, a healthy planet, OR enjoyable cycling."

    ~Mike


On Monday, November 15, 2021, 11:57:10 AM EST, Andy <ai.egrps+io@...> wrote:


Are you downloading the photos, or displaying them in the webpage?  Groups.io might be taking longer to re-scale and image the file for you on the fly in your web browser.  It might be faster to just right-click Download and open it in your computer instead of the browser.

Bear in mind -- my use of "download" may not be the same as yours.  When I say "download" I mean transferring it as a file to my computer.  When I open or display an image in the web browser, that is not what I would call a "download".

Andy


moderated Re: Photo Size vs Photo Load Time #misc

Mark Fletcher
 

On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 07:19 AM, Mike Hanauer wrote:


Yet, displaying the newly uploaded photos takes noticeably longer - it loads top to bottom in sections and takes much longer to fully display.

We don't resize images on the fly. We resize them when we initially process the emails. So something in the new versions of the images is causing your computer to display them more slowly. I'm not a JPEG expert, so unfortunately I can't say what that might be.

Mark


moderated Re: Photo Size vs Photo Load Time #misc

Andy
 

Are you downloading the photos, or displaying them in the webpage?  Groups.io might be taking longer to re-scale and image the file for you on the fly in your web browser.  It might be faster to just right-click Download and open it in your computer instead of the browser.

Bear in mind -- my use of "download" may not be the same as yours.  When I say "download" I mean transferring it as a file to my computer.  When I open or display an image in the web browser, that is not what I would call a "download".

Andy


moderated Photo Size vs Photo Load Time #misc

Mike Hanauer
 

Hi All (asked on GMF with no response),

I reduced photo size to 488x488 hoping to reduce storage needs.

I then uploaded some .jpgs, and they ARE smaller. What was about 1MB became about 150KB on upload.

Yet, displaying the newly uploaded photos takes noticeably longer - it loads top to bottom in sections and takes much longer to fully display.

Why is this? Seems like a smaller file size should translate to faster download and display. What am I missing? What can I do?

Thanks for your thoughts and insights.


moderated Re: Message to Member Anomaly #misc

Pete Cook
 

On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 12:34 PM, Peter Cook wrote:
A rather sensitive message I sent to a subscriber (as me, not as the owner account) is now in the activity log for all moderators and owners to see, and I strongly prefer it not be there.
Fyi, along with my post to this group on 11/12 I also made a request to support to remove the entry, or at least the body of the included message, from my group's activity log. It hasn't been removed yet but I'm hoping.

Pete


moderated Re: Hashtag Duration options #suggestion

Tom Vail
 

Thank you Mark!  You just made my life simpler.

Tom Vail


moderated Re: Message to Member Anomaly #misc

 

On Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 08:36 AM, Duane wrote:
If I chose to send it as Owner, then it should be logged
Yes.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Message to Member Anomaly #misc

 

The only issue being debated was the length of the message taking up space in the log. There was talk of putting the message itself somewhere else, and including a link to it in the log. Which would have been fine and still would. Nothing else was debated. 

People requested this for years, here as well as in GMF (or so it was reported here), and it was a matter of it just not being implemented for years. There was no real debate then. It was just that kept failing to get done. 

The usual workaround was always posted (“just bcc yourself”). Which is too hard to find if the message is old. As I recall, suffering being told the workaround was like an initiation rite for new mods. They had to pass through the time-worn ritual of wondering why their messages to members were recorded nowhere, or how to find them (“how can I find” etc). Then some seasoned member would sagely tell them, “Just bcc yourself.” 

There was no debate about the necessity. The requests continued  for years and years, piling up and, I suppose, simply being put at the bottom of the pile of Mark’s pile of priorities.


On Nov 13, 2021, at 7:47 AM, Andy <AI.egrps+io@...> wrote:

Hmm.  Well if it was a long and hard fought battle, unless everyone in the group was battling only Mark, then there must have been considerable disagreement between members here.

In which case, one might say that a concensus may have been lacking.

But in any event, I wonder if this is a sign that there should be a better way.  Maybe?  If we struggle to find what's best, maybe we are going about this wrong.

Andy

--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Message to Member Anomaly #misc

Duane
 

On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 11:34 AM, Peter Cook wrote:
If I had chosen to send this as the owner, I can see why one might want it to be logged, however.
I've run into this myself and wondered why it works that way.  I seem to remember bringing it up quite awhile back, but can't find my message now.  If I chose to send it as Owner, then it should be logged.  If I select my own account/identity, then it shouldn't.

Duane


moderated Re: Message to Member Anomaly #misc

Andy
 

Hmm.  Well if it was a long and hard fought battle, unless everyone in the group was battling only Mark, then there must have been considerable disagreement between members here.

In which case, one might say that a concensus may have been lacking.

But in any event, I wonder if this is a sign that there should be a better way.  Maybe?  If we struggle to find what's best, maybe we are going about this wrong.

Andy


moderated Re: Message to Member Anomaly #misc

 

Yet another redo of a long, hard-fought battle to get these messages logged? For YEARS - years and YEARS - people were complaining that there was no record of a moderator message to a member. It would be easy to find the dozens of threads and complaints and bug reports about this here. I'm not going to do it. If that's what we're talking about, then please don't undo this. It was a serious lack.

As Pete says here, at maximum change it so that it's not logged if sent as an individual rather than from the mod address.  Mod messages to members need to be logged, and the details should continue to be included.
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

November 12, 2021:

November 10, 2021:

  • NEW: Added 3 month and 6 month hashtag expiry settings. Discussion

November 9, 2021:

  • CHANGE: A moderator can no longer remove an owner from a group. Discussion

November 8, 2021:

  • NEW: There is a new activity log entry, Paid invoice, which is logged whenever a group invoice is paid.

The next #changelog will be published on Friday, November 19th.

Take care everyone.

Mark


moderated Re: Topic count on Hashtag page incorrect #misc

 

Hello,

On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 2:03 PM Tom Vail <tom@...> wrote:
The count in the hashtag box on the # hashtag page is not correct.  Example: The screen shot below shows 2 topics with this hashtag, but in fact there is only one.  I have others which lists 2 but there are none.

This should be fixed now.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Message to Member Anomaly #misc

Andy
 

On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 12:26 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I don't have a particular opinion on whether we should log DMs or not in the activity log (as you noted, we don't currently). Thoughts?

If they are logged at all, please don't include the message itself!  (As is now done for other moderator messages.)

Personally, I don't see the need to log every personal message as a log entry either.  Group activity, yes; private messages, no.

Andy


moderated Re: Message to Member Anomaly #misc

Pete Cook
 

I'm glad this is being discussed because this just came up for me this morning. A rather sensitive message I sent to a subscriber (as me, not as the owner account) is now in the activity log for all moderators and owners to see, and I strongly prefer it not be there. Similarly, I don't need to see any other private messages sent by other owners or moderators.

If I had chosen to send this as the owner, I can see why one might want it to be logged, however.

Pete


moderated Re: Message to Member Anomaly #misc

 

On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 1:54 PM Chris Jones via groups.io <chrisjones12=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
If an owner (or moderator) sends a message to a member with the member's entry in the Member List as the starting point then the resulting Message appears in the Activity Log. This is the method described in the Owners Manual, albeit without any reference to the Activity Log.

However, if the same owner / moderator sends the same message to the same member with the starting point being the "Email" tab in the Member Profile then there is no record placed in the Activity Log.

I have not labelled this as a #bug because I suspect that this behaviour may be deliberate, but it is not necessarily expected that the two methods will have different results.

Right. The Email button in a member's profile page can, depending on permissions, be used by other members. It's meant as a DM type service, and is subject to rate limiting to prevent abuse. This is different from a moderator using the 'Send Message' button in a member's subscription page.

I don't have a particular opinion on whether we should log DMs or not in the activity log (as you noted, we don't currently). Thoughts?

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: #bug database will not update #bug

 

Hello,

On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 1:54 PM lloyd lehrer <lloydlehrer@...> wrote:
I own lamrs.groups.io and created a database of our member details.  it will not accept any changes to info in a member  row. I select the row, select edit, do it, select update and it does not work.

Do you have any required fields? If so, make sure that they are filled out. If that's not the case, let me know the time you tried to edit a row, and I'll investigate.

Cheers,
Mark 


moderated #bug database will not update #bug

lloyd lehrer
 

I own lamrs.groups.io and created a database of our member details.  it will not accept any changes to info in a member  row. I select the row, select edit, do it, select update and it does not work.
Lloyd Lehrer, 


moderated Message to Member Anomaly #misc

Chris Jones
 

If an owner (or moderator) sends a message to a member with the member's entry in the Member List as the starting point then the resulting Message appears in the Activity Log. This is the method described in the Owners Manual, albeit without any reference to the Activity Log.

However, if the same owner / moderator sends the same message to the same member with the starting point being the "Email" tab in the Member Profile then there is no record placed in the Activity Log.

I have not labelled this as a #bug because I suspect that this behaviour may be deliberate, but it is not necessarily expected that the two methods will have different results.

Mark; can you confirm (or otherwise) that the two methods of sending a message to a member have subtly different outcomes by design, with there being no evidence trail of any message if it starts from the Member Profile? And if it is deliberate can I suggest that there is note to that effect in this section of the Owners Manual?

As far as I can see there is no difference in what an owner "sees" between the two methods so there is no warning that one route will not be recorded as an "Activity".

Chris


moderated Reduced topic duration #misc

ro-esp
 

Tom, I'm not sure what you mean. The iron law says that a thread ends as soon as nobody contributes to it anymore. {in other words: don't have a discussion about whether to have a discussion].

Are you talking about automatic deletion of posts after a preset time?

groetjes/ĝis, Ronaldo

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