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moderated Re: Message to Member Anomaly #misc

Pete Cook
 

I'm glad this is being discussed because this just came up for me this morning. A rather sensitive message I sent to a subscriber (as me, not as the owner account) is now in the activity log for all moderators and owners to see, and I strongly prefer it not be there. Similarly, I don't need to see any other private messages sent by other owners or moderators.

If I had chosen to send this as the owner, I can see why one might want it to be logged, however.

Pete


moderated Re: Message to Member Anomaly #misc

 

On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 1:54 PM Chris Jones via groups.io <chrisjones12=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
If an owner (or moderator) sends a message to a member with the member's entry in the Member List as the starting point then the resulting Message appears in the Activity Log. This is the method described in the Owners Manual, albeit without any reference to the Activity Log.

However, if the same owner / moderator sends the same message to the same member with the starting point being the "Email" tab in the Member Profile then there is no record placed in the Activity Log.

I have not labelled this as a #bug because I suspect that this behaviour may be deliberate, but it is not necessarily expected that the two methods will have different results.

Right. The Email button in a member's profile page can, depending on permissions, be used by other members. It's meant as a DM type service, and is subject to rate limiting to prevent abuse. This is different from a moderator using the 'Send Message' button in a member's subscription page.

I don't have a particular opinion on whether we should log DMs or not in the activity log (as you noted, we don't currently). Thoughts?

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: #bug database will not update #bug

 

Hello,

On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 1:54 PM lloyd lehrer <lloydlehrer@...> wrote:
I own lamrs.groups.io and created a database of our member details.  it will not accept any changes to info in a member  row. I select the row, select edit, do it, select update and it does not work.

Do you have any required fields? If so, make sure that they are filled out. If that's not the case, let me know the time you tried to edit a row, and I'll investigate.

Cheers,
Mark 


moderated #bug database will not update #bug

lloyd lehrer
 

I own lamrs.groups.io and created a database of our member details.  it will not accept any changes to info in a member  row. I select the row, select edit, do it, select update and it does not work.
Lloyd Lehrer, 


moderated Message to Member Anomaly #misc

Chris Jones
 

If an owner (or moderator) sends a message to a member with the member's entry in the Member List as the starting point then the resulting Message appears in the Activity Log. This is the method described in the Owners Manual, albeit without any reference to the Activity Log.

However, if the same owner / moderator sends the same message to the same member with the starting point being the "Email" tab in the Member Profile then there is no record placed in the Activity Log.

I have not labelled this as a #bug because I suspect that this behaviour may be deliberate, but it is not necessarily expected that the two methods will have different results.

Mark; can you confirm (or otherwise) that the two methods of sending a message to a member have subtly different outcomes by design, with there being no evidence trail of any message if it starts from the Member Profile? And if it is deliberate can I suggest that there is note to that effect in this section of the Owners Manual?

As far as I can see there is no difference in what an owner "sees" between the two methods so there is no warning that one route will not be recorded as an "Activity".

Chris


moderated Reduced topic duration #misc

ro-esp
 

Tom, I'm not sure what you mean. The iron law says that a thread ends as soon as nobody contributes to it anymore. {in other words: don't have a discussion about whether to have a discussion].

Are you talking about automatic deletion of posts after a preset time?

groetjes/ĝis, Ronaldo


moderated Re: Links to within document broken in updated file when uploaded to the group #misc

Nina E
 

Aw, shucks! :-)

Glad to be able to help in some small way.

- Nina


moderated Re: Links to within document broken in updated file when uploaded to the group #misc

 

Not only that, but Nina just asked for my doc file, and she pdf'd it using her Windows version of Word, and I'm now able to upload the revision to my group.
Mark, give this lady a raise! :-)
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Topic count on Hashtag page incorrect #misc

Tom Vail
 

No mergers, but yes have some deleted.  But there have been more delete than the one remaining?


moderated Re: Links to within document broken in updated file when uploaded to the group #misc

 

Nina found the issue! She sent me this (I trust it's ok with her to quote):

 https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/all/internal-links-not-working-in-pdf/d91991c7-1f7a-4dff-bfe9-b2aa404a9c77.
"It appears there was an issue with internal links in PDF files generated from Word, and Microsoft issued a patch for the Windows version; however, it’s not yet working on Mac according to the latest replies in that thread, which are dated October 27 at this writing."

It turns out I was wrong that the pdf links work the in un-uploaded document. They don't. :-) So this is just the Mac bug.
Thanks, Nina!

--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Links to within document broken in updated file when uploaded to the group #misc

 

p.s. Nina, if you are reading and happen to know the answer or solution to this (I suspect you might?), please feel free to let me know either onlist or in a PM! I didn't post this to docs because the issue doesn't really belong there, but I suspect you are reading here.
Thanks!
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Links to within document broken in updated file when uploaded to the group #misc

 

Yesterday, I revised one of my group's major informational pdf files and uploaded the revised file to my group's Files section. This file contains many links to within the document itself. Before the update, the links all worked. But in the new document, although the links work when the document is viewed in Word (i.e., outside of groups.io), they are all broken when you view the document in the group.

I don't know whether this is a bug, or whether I'm asking for help with what is possibly a Word issue, or whether there is possibly a groups.io incompatibility with a newer version of Word. (Today I will probably create a small test file in my test group to try to check this out.) I do know that in between the old and the updated document, I updated Word. Formerly, I had an older version running on an older Mac. I got a new Mac this summer and at that point I subscribed to the new MS Word. In case anyone is about to suggest it, I did select the pdf version that's best for links, etc. (as opposed to for printing).

I need to update this document, and right now, I am not able to. I had to revert to the older version once I noticed the problem.

Would appreciate any insight into this.

--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Sponsorship balance display option #suggestion

Duane
 

I'd like to see an option, probably a checkbox, under the "Allow Sponsorships" Settings box that would allow the current balance to be displayed next to the Sponsor button for group members.  I don't think it's a critical bit of information, but would make things a little more transparent to members.

Thanks,
Duane


moderated Re: Strip winmail.dat file from incoming group messages #suggestion

David M
 

On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 3:34 PM Bruce Bowman <<mailto:bruce.bowman@...>bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

Outlook inserts a winmail.dat file in virtually every outgoing message. Only other Outlook clients do anything with it.

I suggest stripping these so they do not continue to proliferate as useless attachments.

Do we know if any other email service (Gmail/Yahoo/etc) strips these attachments?
Gmail converts them so no need to strip them.

Need to be aware that while they may be RTF versions of the text in a message, they can also be files added as attachments. Multiple files actually, since all attachments are bundled up into one winmail.dat file.

David


moderated Re: Strip winmail.dat file from incoming group messages #suggestion

David M
 

On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 11:34 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

Outlook inserts a winmail.dat file in virtually every outgoing message. Only other Outlook clients do anything with it.

I understand that these are generated when the Sender is using Rich Text Format and the answer would seem to be to switch to HTML or Plain Text. <https://gcits.com/knowledge-base/how-to-fix-the-winmail-dat-attachment-issue/>https://gcits.com/knowledge-base/how-to-fix-the-winmail-dat-attachment-issue/
This is only a solution when the person's e-mail server is Exchange. For people using Outlook or POP or IMAP, the problem will remain.

David


moderated Re: Strip winmail.dat file from incoming group messages #suggestion

David M
 

Outlook inserts a winmail.dat file in virtually every outgoing message. Only other Outlook clients do anything with it.
Not true. Gmail can extract it. Recent versions of Thunderbird can extract it.

I suggest stripping these so they do not continue to proliferate as useless attachments.
They are not useless attachments. It turns out that when Outlook is set to RTF, *any* attachment is made into a winmail.dat. So if you delete them, then you are deleting valid attachments that are a part of the message.

Fixing it is tedious. This can be fixed for *new* recipients by setting Outlook to not use RTF. However, for any contact you have sent a message using RTF, it remembers and continues to send them as RTF with attachments as winmail.dat files. It is possible to edit the setting for each contact to stop it using RTF. Messages sent to those people no longer get the attachments inserted as normal attachments.

Deleting winmail.dat files is not the answer. Educate your users how to change the setting for the group e-mail address if you want to stop winmail.dats ending up in your group.

David


moderated Re: Topic count on Hashtag page incorrect #misc

Andy
 

In my group, all the ones I checked were correct.

I wonder if yours had topics that were deleted?  Or merged?

Andy


moderated Topic count on Hashtag page incorrect #misc

Tom Vail
 

The count in the hashtag box on the # hashtag page is not correct.  Example: The screen shot below shows 2 topics with this hashtag, but in fact there is only one.  I have others which lists 2 but there are none.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Tom



moderated Re: Hashtag Limit #misc

Tom Vail
 

One thing that would be helpful is reduced Topic Durations.  I made a suggestion a while back, which I'm sure is/was not a high priority, but if there was an option to delete a topic in a 3 or 6 month Topic Duration, then it would restrict the need for so many regions.  A 1 year Topic Duration leaves too much time for moving through the network.

Tom


moderated Re: Hashtag Limit #misc

Tom Vail
 

The original objective was to post plans for 6 or 7 months out, which could include more than 5 regions, especially up in the Canada/Great Lakes area.  One option, is to limit the time horizon so as to limit the number of regions.  But you now how it is when you get a design in your head, you want to make it work.

Tom

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