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moderated Re: Hashtag Limit #misc

 

On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 1:02 PM Tom Vail <tom@...> wrote:
Is there a way around the 5 hashtag limit to ant topic?  (A search did not produce anything on the subject.)

Not right now. It's an artifact of how I store things in the database (insert a "I'd do it differently next time" here).

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: #suggestion Member Notice for Donations or Sponsorships #suggestion

 

Hi All,

I agree that something needs to be added. How about this:

- For donations and sponsorship payments, we send out an acknowledgement email with the amount, group name, etc. Very similar to the invoice email we send out now when we bill a group.
- I also add a member notice that gets sent upon a group sponsorship.

What I'm not sure about is with donations, since you can have multiple different donations. It seems like there's a mismatch with the member notifications, which are group wide, and not specific to a particular donation request.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Hashtag Limit #misc

Tom Vail
 

Is there a way around the 5 hashtag limit to ant topic?  (A search did not produce anything on the subject.)

Thanks, Tom


moderated Re: Strip winmail.dat file from incoming group messages #suggestion

 

On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 12:21 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Do we know if any other email service (Gmail/Yahoo/etc) strips these attachments?
 
Thanks,
Mark 
It's a MIME format message segment. I don't think anybody drops it. Outside of Microsoft, there's also not much support for it.

Here's some background info from Mozilla.
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/what-winmaildat-attachment

I work on KDE's email software. There's a program that is supposed to handle these attachments, but I've never been able to make it work.
https://invent.kde.org/pim/ktnef
 
FWIW, my group generates 300 - 400 messages per month, and I moderate all attachments. I have never seen a winmail.dat atttachment in the moderation queue. I have seen a lot of attachments on messages composed by Mail for Windows 10, but those have all been small .png images (a dot, or a line). I tell my members when I see these, and most people have been able to correct the misconfiguration without a lot of help.
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Canyon Lake, Texas
https://t-vog.groups.io/g/main    https://davidcbryant.net


moderated Re: Strip winmail.dat file from incoming group messages #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 01:21 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Do we know if any other email service (Gmail/Yahoo/etc) strips these attachments?
Mark -- My own provider...tds.net...does not strip it; it arrives in a separate MIME part just as groups.io sent it. I cannot speak to what other providers may do.

I'm not so concerned about what arrives in email as what builds up in the message archive. I see no reason to store it if the online message reader isn't going to render it.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: Strip winmail.dat file from incoming group messages #suggestion

 

On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 3:34 PM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:
Outlook inserts a winmail.dat file in virtually every outgoing message. Only other Outlook clients do anything with it.

I suggest stripping these so they do not continue to proliferate as useless attachments.

Do we know if any other email service (Gmail/Yahoo/etc) strips these attachments?

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Really lock a topic #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 05:57 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I did have one idea:
 
- Revert the initial change so that when a topic is locked, it's really locked and nobody can post to it
- For mods/owners, add a checkbox on the Post/Reply pages that says something like `Lock this topic after posting this`
 
I like the idea of saying that if a topic is locked then nobody can post to it.  It sounds like the checkbox on the reply/post pages would be equivalent of using a hashtag with the 'Locked' attribute set or manually locking the topic after posting. Am I understanding that correctly?  If so, that works for me.

Regards
Andy


moderated Re: Really lock a topic #suggestion

Ken Schweizer
 

Hi Mark,

I like the combination as sometimes an owner might want to post the reason the topic is locked and item two seems to give us a way to do that in one step.

Ken S

 

“You do what you can for as long as you can, and when you finally can’t, you do the next best thing. You back up but you don’t give up.” ―Chuck Yeager

 

From: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Fletcher
Sent: Tuesday, November 9, 2021 11:58 AM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Really lock a topic #suggestion

 

Hi All,

 

I'm leaning towards no changes, but I did have one idea:

 

- Revert the initial change so that when a topic is locked, it's really locked and nobody can post to it

- For mods/owners, add a checkbox on the Post/Reply pages that says something like `Lock this topic after posting this`

 

Thoughts?

 

Thanks,

Mark


moderated Re: Really lock a topic #suggestion

 

I prefer the "no changes" option but could live with the checkbox.
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J

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moderated Re: Really lock a topic #suggestion

 

Hi All,

I'm leaning towards no changes, but I did have one idea:

- Revert the initial change so that when a topic is locked, it's really locked and nobody can post to it
- For mods/owners, add a checkbox on the Post/Reply pages that says something like `Lock this topic after posting this`

Thoughts?

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Change "Moderated" hashtag new topics so only the replies are moderated #suggestion #bug

 

Mark,

LOL. As long as it's inconsistent, I just think the documentation has to be very clear in the documentation. This behavior really came as a shock to me, so much so that I couldn't even believe it was happening. For example, the doc for "Locked" says the topic is "immediately locked." Which, of course, means that it's locked after the first message goes through. So for the others, I think it's important to state that the behavior attaches even to the first message in the topic. I never would have guessed in a zillion years that Moderated would apply even as the person creates the topic (or attempts to).

I would further make sure the documentation explains that it's not the hashtag itself (in all of those cases) that's moderated: it's the topic bearing the tag that's moderated.
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Change "Moderated" hashtag new topics so only the replies are moderated #suggestion #bug

 

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 9:43 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
Since this just came up in docs, I want to add here a point I made there but did not sufficiently emphasize here: If a hashtag marked "Locked" is applied to a topic on topic creation, only the replies are locked (i.e., bounce), which is correct behavior. Because imagine what would happen if Locked behaved the same way as Moderated currently does, namely, if it applied even to the first message. In that case the first message itself would bounce, locking even the topic itself out of existence.  You couldn't even create the topic. So at minimum, the behavior of a hashtag with these two attributes is inconsistent.

But..... the behavior is consistent with the No Email, Special and Use by Mods Only flags. You could say that it's the Locked flag that's inconsistent. :-) As you know, I do love me my consistencies, but I think in this case, everything is as it should be.

I'm happy to add/change the descriptions of the various flags to make them more clear, but I don't see a compelling case to change the existing behavior.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Moderator function has a #bug

 

Hi All,

I have changed it so that a moderator cannot remove an owner from a group.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Strip winmail.dat file from incoming group messages #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

>>> Only other Outlook clients do anything with it.<<< ***


Though annoying, the .dat file serves one useful purpose if one knows/understands what happened, and could then #suggest (ie, “extend an invitation”) to the emailer to post the file thru the web or another email client. 

If it could be stripped then I #suggest a warning be added to notify that there “should have been” a real attachment with the message. 

*** #aside: I’m not sure that’s accurate.  If the original email is “misconfigured” as an RTF, my Outlook client still receives a useless .dat file.  My recollection is that I would receive the intended file on my AOL app, but garbage thru my Outlook PC. As least that’s my recollection?
Oh the dreaded .dat file!!!!

Ken K


moderated Re: Strip winmail.dat file from incoming group messages #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

Within a business environment where everyone else is using Outlook then these winmail.dat files can and do serve some purpose. In a mailing list where the client of the recipient is not standardized I still assert that they are superfluous and should be deleted.

If a sender "should" configure Outlook to keep it from sending them that's fine, but it's not part of my #suggestion.

If groups.io is capable of parsing this file and translating it all into html that's also fine, but it's not part of my #suggestion.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: Strip winmail.dat file from incoming group messages #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 11:34 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
Outlook inserts a winmail.dat file in virtually every outgoing message. Only other Outlook clients do anything with it.
I understand that these are generated when the Sender is using Rich Text Format and the answer would seem to be to switch to HTML or Plain Text.  https://gcits.com/knowledge-base/how-to-fix-the-winmail-dat-attachment-issue/ 

Regards
Andy


moderated Re: Strip winmail.dat file from incoming group messages #suggestion

Dave Sergeant
 

They are I understand a result of misconfigured Outlook. But they are
INTENDED attachments and often the very reason why the post was made in
the first place. There are online tools to decode them and convert them
into normal files. The sender should be encouraged to change his
Outlook settings instead of just deleting things which he really does
want us to see.

Dave

On 8 Nov 2021 at 15:15, Bruce Bowman wrote:

Outlook inserts a winmail.dat file in virtually every outgoing message.
Only other Outlook clients do anything with it.

I suggest stripping these so they do not continue to proliferate as
useless attachments.

http://davesergeant.com


moderated Re: Strip winmail.dat file from incoming group messages #suggestion

Steve Hayes
 

On 8 Nov 2021 at 15:15, Bruce Bowman wrote:

Outlook inserts a winmail.dat file in virtually every outgoing message. Only
other Outlook clients do anything with it.

I suggest stripping these so they do not continue to proliferate as useless
attachments.
Yahoo mail sometimes also has incomprehensible attachments, though they don't
seem to be in a separate file.


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moderated Strip winmail.dat file from incoming group messages #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

Outlook inserts a winmail.dat file in virtually every outgoing message. Only other Outlook clients do anything with it.

I suggest stripping these so they do not continue to proliferate as useless attachments.

Thanks for your consideration,
Bruce


moderated Separate space for update description when updating/replacing a file #suggestion

 

When you update a file by replacing the file, and notify members, there's no place to describe what changes were made to the file itself. I had to add a description of the changes to the description of the file, just for purposes of the notification, and later go in and remove that text from the file description.

The suggestion is to add a separate space for an optional description of changes when a file itself is replaced (or, to keep it simple, in any case).
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

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