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moderated Moderator function has a #bug

Duane
 

While doing some testing for a topic on GMF, I came across a glitch that seems to be very important.  A moderator can't demote an owner, nor promote someone to owner.  However, in this test case, a moderator with all permissions was able to remove an owner's membership from the group.  In at least 2 locations, the membership overview and the individual member record, the Remove function allows an owner to be removed.  I didn't try it with the last owner, but I don't think a mod should be allowed to remove an owner at all.

Thanks,
Duane


moderated Re: Really lock a topic #suggestion

 

As I mentioned, this was heavily debated and fought fir years ago, and Mark decided to allow it, I still think that was the right decision, and even Mark takes advantage of the increased convenience. Please let’s not go through that all over again. 


On Nov 4, 2021, at 9:06 AM, Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:

On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 02:56 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
My conclusion from this experience
My own conclusion is that allowing mods to post to locked topics has now created the need or desire for further changes to work around the issues created by the original change. If a locked topic was treated as such then it would be simpler all round.  If a Mod wants to post to a locked topic, then unlock it, post and lock it again.

Andy

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moderated Re: Really lock a topic #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 02:56 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
My conclusion from this experience
My own conclusion is that allowing mods to post to locked topics has now created the need or desire for further changes to work around the issues created by the original change. If a locked topic was treated as such then it would be simpler all round.  If a Mod wants to post to a locked topic, then unlock it, post and lock it again.

Andy


moderated Re: Really lock a topic #suggestion

 

My conclusion from this experience is that my preference would be to make "Post to locked topics" a mod permission. It solves Bruce's problem without the need for (1) a fix to the "moderate-first-message in a topic that doesn't exist yet" bug (I'm still calling it a bug) and (2) the need for group owners to understand the esoteric process of putting a locked topic on moderation in order to control posts to it by other mods.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: #suggestion Member Notice for Donations or Sponsorships #suggestion

Duane
 

On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 07:58 PM, Andrea McGhee wrote:
My members have reported that they never received an acknowledgment for receipt or a sponsorship on groups.io.
I'm sure that an acknowledgment/receipt to the member for sponsorship or a donation would be appreciated.  In the meantime, any member, once signed in to the site, can go to https://groups.io/account?page=billing to see a summary of any payments they've made.  This is covered in the Members Manual, https://groups.io/helpcenter/membersmanual/1/sponsoring-groups-to-help-cover-their-hosting.

Duane


moderated Re: #suggestion Member Notice for Donations or Sponsorships #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 01:01 AM, Andrea McGhee wrote:
I think you have misunderstood my intent.
No. I didn't misunderstand your intent. I received a message after I made a sponsorship. What I didn't pick up on initially was that the message was sent to me as an Owner/Mod of my group not as the member.

This leads me to other thoughts on using Member Notices for this purpose though. What I would want as a member who sponsored a group is an acknowledgement of that sponsorship that shows the amount.  The amount will vary between members but there is no facility at present to define variables or symbolic parameters in a Member Notice where the amount could be inserted.

I agree with you that it would be helpful for members to receive an acknowledgement of sponsorship but think that a fixed format notification rather than a free format Member Notice allowing substitution of variable amounts would be simpler and quicker to implement.

Regards
Andy


moderated Re: Really lock a topic #suggestion

 

Ironically, I had to deal with a situation somewhat skin to Bruce's in one of my groups tonight. This particular group has four mods (including me, the owner) and a couple of them are difficult egos. It's a group for my home block, and there are lot of HUGE egos in it, and I can't do much about the other mods because of the politics of the block, so I let them remain mods. So tonight I locked a very problematic topic (I seldom resort to locking topics in this group, but it was a volatile and escalating situation) but two of the mods kept posting in it! I was like, "Oh, NOW I get what Bruce was talking about!" It's a whole different kettle of fish from my cats group, which I basically control with an iron fist. I can't do that with my egomaniacal neighbors. Fortunately, in the nick of time I remembered my workaround and put the topic on moderation as well, knowing that their posts would then have to go by me. This felt very esoteric and I'll post about it in docs in the a.m. after checking to see whether this behavior is documented. ("Locked topics can be posted to by mods, but if the topic is also on moderation, their posts will be moderated.":-)
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: #suggestion Member Notice for Donations or Sponsorships #suggestion

Andrea McGhee
 

Andy,
I think you have misunderstood my intent. I want the member sponsor to receive an acknowledgement of their sponsorship.
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Wam Regards,
Andi


moderated Re: #suggestion Member Notice for Donations or Sponsorships #suggestion

Andrea McGhee
 

My members have reported that they never received an acknowledgment for receipt or a sponsorship on groups.io.

Can you show me what you received? Are you moving the conversation over to GMF? I am new here and I don't know
what is supposed to happen after making a suggestion :-)
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Wam Regards,
Andi


moderated Re: #suggestion Member Notice for Donations or Sponsorships #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 08:31 PM, Andrea McGhee wrote:
I would like an acknowledgement notice sent automatically when ever someone sponsors or donates
to a group.
Per my message on this subject on GMF, I received a notification when I tested the sponsorship feature.  How would your user-defined member notice differ?

Regards
Andy


moderated #suggestion Member Notice for Donations or Sponsorships #suggestion

Andrea McGhee
 

I would like an acknowledgement notice sent automatically when ever someone sponsors or donates
to a group. I appreciate the the way a notice is automatically sent when someone leaves the group.

Thank you for your consideration.
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Wam Regards,
Andi


moderated Re: #suggestion Subtopics as an available option for groups #suggestion

 

Andi,

Thinking it about it further now, it seems to me that hashtags and subgroups would actually address your issues even better than subtopics, because they apply overall. If you could create subtopics, you'd have to do that locally, so to speak, with every topic that pertained to the subject matter. Wherreas hashtags and subgroups work globally.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: #suggestion Subtopics as an available option for groups #suggestion

Andrea McGhee
 

Dear Andy and J Catlady,
I appreciate your responses and I have actually considered both of those options :-)

And perhaps it is a matter of training members :-)

Thank you for your time and suggestions.
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Wam Regards,
Andi


moderated Re: #suggestion Subtopics as an available option for groups #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 01:28 PM, Andrea McGhee wrote:

I would like to see subtopics added to the groups.io options for listservs.

Subtopics would create ease in sorting posts
and make it easier for members to find relevant content.

If you want to categorise individual topics within a group then you could use hashtags so one topic may have hashtags such as #creationoftheworld and #bigbang, and another might have #creationoftheworld and #evolution.  Hashtags provide a quick and convenient way of searching for content.

If your group is for discussions on creation of the world theories then different subgroups can be used to cover each of those theories.

Regards
Andy


moderated Re: #suggestion Subtopics as an available option for groups #suggestion

 

On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 06:28 AM, Andrea McGhee wrote:
Subtopics would create ease in sorting posts
and make it easier for members to find relevant content.
I have nothing specific against your proposal (although it seems complicated while simple in theory), but would just mention that you could use hashtags for those purposes.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated #suggestion Subtopics as an available option for groups #suggestion

Andrea McGhee
 

I would like to see subtopics added to the groups.io options for listservs.

An example might as follows:
Creation of the world theories (main topic)
-Bible (subtopic)
-Big Bang (subtopic)
-Evolution (subtopic)
-Christianity (subtopic)
-Misc. (subtopic)

(Forgive the example...I didn't want to post something more specific from our group :-))

Subtopics would create ease in sorting posts
and make it easier for members to find relevant content.

Does this make sense?

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Wam Regards,
Andi


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Andy Wedge
 

On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 12:39 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
In general I don't talk about our spam filtering, for obvious reasons. I made a change that allowed some additional messages from non-members through the spam filter.
I can understand not giving details away about the filtering process itself. It was the assertion in that post that messages detected as spam will be forwarded to Mods rather than being rejected that I was wondering about. If that is the case I thought a comment about it would appear on the changelog.

Regards
Andy


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 1:58 AM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:
Hi Mark

On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 05:19 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Changes to the site this week:
A message on an active GMF topic suggests that a change was also made regarding spam filtering and sending notifications to Moderators but nothing is mentioned in this update. Can you clarify please?


In general I don't talk about our spam filtering, for obvious reasons. I made a change that allowed some additional messages from non-members through the spam filter.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark

On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 05:19 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Changes to the site this week:
A message on an active GMF topic suggests that a change was also made regarding spam filtering and sending notifications to Moderators but nothing is mentioned in this update. Can you clarify please?

Thanks
Andy


moderated Re: Activity log #outage

 

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 11:54 AM Andy <AI.egrps+io@...> wrote:
Thank you, Mark.  I think we fell into that window, in #30729 about the missing message and log entries.  The message in question was sent at 4:38 AM Pacific time today, and gone a few hours later.

Please send me off-list the subject of the message, and the sender. If you can give me the Message-ID from the header, that'd help as well.

 
Have there been other outages in the last month or so?  I have seen other things I couldn't explain in the log.

No, this is the first time this has ever happened.

Thanks,
Mark 

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