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moderated Re: Notify member when their message is automatically deleted due to hashtag duration #suggestion

 

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 05:11 PM, Tom Vail wrote:
"Remind before deleting."
But it makes sense to me to notify only the originator of the topic. That's not a matter of logic, just of minimizing annoyance to everyone else.
 
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moderated Re: Hashtag duration conflict - who wins? #misc

 

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 05:13 PM, Tom Vail wrote:
It would work, but too complicated for our average user.
Why? It seems even simpler than your current scheme (which isn't working anyway). Tell your group members that if they want their ad (or whatever it is they're posting - you're making us guess;) to expire in a year, put the hashtag called #ExpireInOneYear on it.
 
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moderated Re: Notify member when their message is automatically deleted due to hashtag duration #suggestion

 

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 05:05 PM, Tom Vail wrote:
That may be logical to you, but no to me.  As an IT professional, the longer retention date would always take precedence
I don't know what being an IT professional has to do with this. I myself did software for 15+ years. This is simple logic. Using your argument, a hashtag with no duration (i.e., no restriction) would take precedence over a hashtag with a finite duration, thus nullifying the entire feature.

If you want to get all technical about it, I'd say hashtag restrictions should be treated as "and"'s,  not "or"s.
 
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moderated Re: Hashtag duration conflict - who wins? #misc

Tom Vail
 

It would work, but too complicated for our average user.

Tom


moderated Re: Notify member when their message is automatically deleted due to hashtag duration #suggestion

Tom Vail
 

If you post something in a topic which you think is out there for whomever to see, and it is deleted due to duration, then it seems logical (to me) that you would remind them it was/will be deleted.  Not a big deal if the duration is 2 days, but a year out would make a difference.  As J said, it depends on the application so maybe it is an option in the Hashtag set up to "Remind before deleting."

Tom


moderated Re: Notify member when their message is automatically deleted due to hashtag duration #suggestion

Tom Vail
 

That may be logical to you, but no to me.  As an IT professional, the longer retention date would always take precedence.  Deleting data before that can cause issues, but then we are not guarding Fort Knox.


moderated Re: Notify all Owners (and Moderators with the Billing privilege) when Billing Cycle Up #suggestion

Michael Pavan
 

On Oct 14, 2021, at 10:57 AM, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@tds.net> wrote:
What if a Payor has died? Will his heirs know to log in and delete his account? No...his account remains active; so all notifications and warnings continue to be sent there. Ultimately, the group gets silently downgraded.

Unless there's a fine point that I'm missing (or hasn't been adequately documented), it seems appropriate to send the warning messages to more people than just the current Payor when a billing cycle runs into a glitch.
This is another ramification of there being no Owner Succession feature.


moderated Re: Notify all Owners (and Moderators with the Billing privilege) when Billing Cycle Up #suggestion

Joseph Hudson
 

Oh OK, yeah that would be it. I know I didn't get angry about having that notification. I just reached out to the owner himself and asked him about the credit card. That's all I did but that's good.

On Oct 18, 2021, at 4:12 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 9:13 PM Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@twc.com> wrote:
Hello Mark, quite a few years ago, I was alerted of a co-owners payment method no longer being valid wouldn't that be the same as unable to make a payment as we are discussing below seems like to me it would be. Seems how I received the same message that he did.

Are you referring to a credit card being expired? We no longer send those messages out; people would get confused and/or angry about them.

Mark


moderated Re: Notify all Owners (and Moderators with the Billing privilege) when Billing Cycle Up #suggestion

 

On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 9:13 PM Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@...> wrote:
Hello Mark, quite a few years ago, I was alerted of a co-owners payment method no longer being valid wouldn't that be the same as unable to make a payment as we are discussing below seems like to me it would be. Seems how I received the same message that he did.

Are you referring to a credit card being expired? We no longer send those messages out; people would get confused and/or angry about them.

Mark 


moderated Re: Override: Not Moderated vs Moderate-Attachments precedence #misc

 

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 10:55 AM Christos Psarras <christos@...> wrote:

As it stands right now, for a GroupSetting:non-moderated group, where Attachments are set to Moderate, but the person (user or admin) is set to Override: Not Moderated (P), the moderate-attachments setting takes precedence and the message goes into pending.

This should be fixed now. Override: not moderated takes precedence.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: one page to see all pending messages #suggestion

Ry Jones
 

Thank you, Mark - I used this for the first time today; it works like a charm!
Ry

On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 1:12 PM Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 6:56 AM Ry Jones <rjones@...> wrote:
I would like one page to visit where I can see all pending messages for all of my mailing lists. Right now, I can see that I have a dozen or so pending messages (mostly spam) across all of my lists, but then I have to go click several times to delete them all, or to approve the rare message I should approve.

I have added this. Now when you go to https://groups.io, or to your enterprise domain, there is a new 'Pending' sidebar entry where you can view all the pending messages for all of your groups.

Cheers,
Mark 



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moderated Re: Override: Not Moderated vs Moderate-Attachments precedence #misc

 

No thanks. :-)

On Oct 18, 2021, at 11:52 AM, Christos Psarras <christos@psarras.org> wrote:

That's the same reason why my question came up, see https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/86416743 , that's what they're trying to accomplish.

Cheers,
Christos


On 2021-10-18 14:00, J_Catlady via groups.io wrote:
The whole reason I requested (long ago) that P override everything was to give complete posting freedom to certain, highly trusted members.




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moderated Re: Override: Not Moderated vs Moderate-Attachments precedence #misc

 

That's the same reason why my question came up, see https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/86416743 , that's what they're trying to accomplish.

Cheers,
Christos

On 2021-10-18 14:00, J_Catlady via groups.io wrote:
The whole reason I requested (long ago) that P override everything was to give complete posting freedom to certain, highly trusted members.


moderated Re: Override: Not Moderated vs Moderate-Attachments precedence #misc

 

I think P should take precedence and the attachment should not be moderated. The whole reason I requested (long ago) that P override everything was to give complete posting freedom to certain, highly trusted members.


On Oct 18, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Christos Psarras <christos@...> wrote:

Hi folks,

As it stands right now, for a GroupSetting:non-moderated group, where Attachments are set to Moderate, but the person (user or admin) is set to Override: Not Moderated (P), the moderate-attachments setting takes precedence and the message goes into pending.

The manual doesn't clearly state what should happen or happens in this case. 

In https://groups.io/helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/managing-members/moderating-individual-members there is no explicit mention: Override: not moderated: No messages posted by this member are moderated, regardless of the group’s or an individual topic’s moderation setting.

Conversely, in https://groups.io/helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/customizing-group-settings/message-formatting-settings there is some mention but still not quite clear: Attachments-Moderate: The system flags messages that include attachments for moderation (regardless of other moderation settings set for the group).  It does mention group mod settings but not (explicitly) individual mod settings.

So it's not quite clear in this case what should happen, so is this precedence the way it should happen, or should the individual posting setting take precedence?

Regardless, those two manual sections can use a bit more clarification about this.

Cheers,
Christos

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moderated Override: Not Moderated vs Moderate-Attachments precedence #misc

 

Hi folks,

As it stands right now, for a GroupSetting:non-moderated group, where Attachments are set to Moderate, but the person (user or admin) is set to Override: Not Moderated (P), the moderate-attachments setting takes precedence and the message goes into pending.

The manual doesn't clearly state what should happen or happens in this case. 

In https://groups.io/helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/managing-members/moderating-individual-members there is no explicit mention: Override: not moderated: No messages posted by this member are moderated, regardless of the group’s or an individual topic’s moderation setting.

Conversely, in https://groups.io/helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/customizing-group-settings/message-formatting-settings there is some mention but still not quite clear: Attachments-Moderate: The system flags messages that include attachments for moderation (regardless of other moderation settings set for the group).  It does mention group mod settings but not (explicitly) individual mod settings.

So it's not quite clear in this case what should happen, so is this precedence the way it should happen, or should the individual posting setting take precedence?

Regardless, those two manual sections can use a bit more clarification about this.

Cheers,
Christos


moderated Re: Notify member when their message is automatically deleted due to hashtag duration #suggestion

 

It might depend on the application. Like maybe it’s a “for sale” notice?


On Oct 17, 2021, at 8:40 AM, Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:

On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 07:03 AM, Tom Vail wrote:
When a message is automatically deleted due to hashtag duration, send the member a notice that it has been deleted, or better yet, will be deleted in 2 days.
If a message is deleted then it cannot be recovered so I'm wondering what benefit there is in telling the member after the event. Also, as J pointed out, topics can be deleted based upon hashtag duration and many people can contribute to a topic so are you suggesting that they all get a notification?  What am I missing because I'm struggling to see any benefit from this?

Andy

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moderated Re: Notify member when their message is automatically deleted due to hashtag duration #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 07:03 AM, Tom Vail wrote:
When a message is automatically deleted due to hashtag duration, send the member a notice that it has been deleted, or better yet, will be deleted in 2 days.
If a message is deleted then it cannot be recovered so I'm wondering what benefit there is in telling the member after the event. Also, as J pointed out, topics can be deleted based upon hashtag duration and many people can contribute to a topic so are you suggesting that they all get a notification?  What am I missing because I'm struggling to see any benefit from this?

Andy


moderated Re: Hashtag duration conflict - who wins? #misc

 

I'm finally getting around to trying to understand what you're looking for here:

On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 09:53 AM, Tom Vail wrote:
Okay, here is my issue.  I have a number of posts which have a valid timeframe of less than a year, but within that same hashtag there are some which are permeant.  I would like to have 2 hashtags:  #hashtag1 has a duration of 1 year, and #hashtag2 has a duration of forever.  That way folks posting under hashtag 1 will be deleted, but if also include hashtag 2 they will not be deleted.

Suggestions?
Ok, here is a suggestion. You don't have enough hashtags. Keep your #hashtag1 and #hashtag2 but don't assign any set duration to them. Create a third hashtag, #hashtag3, that;s used just to set the duration of a year, and apply it only to the subset of topics marked with the first two tags that you want to expire in a year. Would that work?

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moderated Re: Phone app #suggestion

Duane
 

On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 10:03 AM, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:
Sort groups listed on home home page of Phone App in message sent order
This is basically what you'll get if you use the Feed page.  BTW, Mark has asked that messages related to the apps be posted in the App subgroup.

Duane


David Ferrington, M0XDF
 

Sort groups listed on home home page of Phone App in message sent order, so if the most recent message was in group A, put that first, then the next group with the second latest post or the latest post after the most recent in group A. 

Alternatively just list messages in reverse chronological order, regardless of group. 

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