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moderated Re: 14-day expired pending member does not generate a log entry #bug #suggestion

 

On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 9:53 AM Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

We currently do not log when topics are locked or deleted via hashtag rules. Is there any reason why I should not add activity log entries for those actions as well?

Sorry, this should say that we don't have separate activity log entry for expired topics, they just read that they've been deleted.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: 14-day expired pending member does not generate a log entry #bug #suggestion

 

Hi All,

I've added two new activity log entries, one for expired pending members and the other for expired pending messages. The entries are of the forms:


test@...'s pending subscription expired and was deleted, via system" and "test@...'s pending message "test" expired and was deleted, via system
test@...'s pending message "test" expired and was deleted, via system


We currently do not log when topics are locked or deleted via hashtag rules. Is there any reason why I should not add activity log entries for those actions as well?

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Hashtag duration conflict - who wins? #misc

Tom Vail
 

Okay, here is my issue.  I have a number of posts which have a valid timeframe of less than a year, but within that same hashtag there are some which are permeant.  I would like to have 2 hashtags:  #hashtag1 has a duration of 1 year, and #hashtag2 has a duration of forever.  That way folks posting under hashtag 1 will be deleted, but if also include hashtag 2 they will not be deleted.

Suggestions?

Thanks,
Tom


moderated Re: Hashtag duration conflict - who wins? #misc

 

I agree with Duane. The most restrictive restriction should win.

On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 9:15 AM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 10:49 AM, Tom Vail wrote:
If a message is tagged with 2 hashtags which have different durations, which one wins?
Based on a quick test, the shortest time wins.  Since there can be logical reasons for this, I don't think the system could control it very well.

Duane


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moderated Re: Hashtag duration conflict - who wins? #misc

Duane
 

On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 10:49 AM, Tom Vail wrote:
If a message is tagged with 2 hashtags which have different durations, which one wins?
Based on a quick test, the shortest time wins.  Since there can be logical reasons for this, I don't think the system could control it very well.

Duane


moderated Re: Hashtag duration conflict - who wins? #misc

 

Great question! Maybe the system should disallow that situation in the first place?


On Oct 13, 2021, at 8:49 AM, Tom Vail <tom@...> wrote:

If a message is tagged with 2 hashtags which have different durations, which one wins?  Example:  #hashtag1 has a duration of 1 day, and #hashtag2 has a duration of 1 month and both are tagged to a topic, when is it deleted?

Thanks,
Tom 

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moderated Hashtag duration conflict - who wins? #misc

Tom Vail
 

If a message is tagged with 2 hashtags which have different durations, which one wins?  Example:  #hashtag1 has a duration of 1 day, and #hashtag2 has a duration of 1 month and both are tagged to a topic, when is it deleted?

Thanks,
Tom 


moderated Re: Automatic message deletion #misc

 

Just the topic title.

On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 7:57 AM Tom Vail <tom@...> wrote:
J,

Topics have a member associated to it, it is the member who started the topic.  Look at the Message list and each topic has a "By" with it.  When a topic is deleted is that member listed in the activity log, or just the topic title?

It would be nice to have a notification go to the member as it could have been a year since the started the topic.

Tom


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moderated Re: Automatic message deletion #misc

Tom Vail
 

J,

Topics have a member associated to it, it is the member who started the topic.  Look at the Message list and each topic has a "By" with it.  When a topic is deleted is that member listed in the activity log, or just the topic title?

It would be nice to have a notification go to the member as it could have been a year since the started the topic.

Tom


moderated Re: When editing a pending message, allow selection of notices when rejecting the message #suggestion

 

Why would you want both "edit" and "reject" simultaneously? 

On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 7:36 AM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:
Hi Mark,

If I use the check box next to a pending message and then click Reject, or view the message by clicking on the subject and then click Reject, I get the option to select one the pre-defined rejected message notices. However, if I edit the message and then click Reject, I do not get the option to select one of the pre-defined notices.  Can we include that selection option while editing a pending message please?

Thanks
Andy


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moderated Re: Merge subject retention problem and/or Broken threading problem #bug

 

I noticed this "mess" (I'd agree with the term;) a long time ago but did not go to as much trouble as you have gone to in sorting it all out. I just stopped merging whenever possible.

On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 7:36 AM Christos Psarras <christos@...> wrote:
Hi Mark,

I was trying to move some of the messages of one topic into another one as they had gone off-topic.

Part-1:  There is a bug somewhere in the merge process that causes merged messages to remember their previous (pre-merge topic) subject and use that to pre-fill the subject field when replying online.

To replicate this: (happened in an unmoderated group)

1. Split let's say half of the messages in a topic (eg. TopicA) into another one, let's say TempTopic

2. Merge the new TempTopic into another one, let's say TopicB

3. Go now into TopicB.  If you online-reply to any of the original already-existing TopicB messages, the subject gets correctly pre-filled with Re:TopicB.

4. But if you online-reply to any of the merged messages from the old TempTopic, the subject gets incorrectly pre-filled with Re:TempTopic instead of the correct Re:TopicB.  Then for this case:

  4a - If one doesn't notice this erroneous pre-filled subject and leaves it as such, the online reply does correctly thread under TopicB (and the email does go out with Re:TopicB).  But, any subsequent online replies to this online reply still persist in pre-filling the subject with the incorrect Re:TempTopic, unless the cycle is broken by correcting the reply subject, and going forward.  The previous merged messages and uncorrected-subject replies still keep remembering the incorrect subject if one online-replies to them later on.
  4b - If one email-replies to the email sent out from the 4a online reply, and one online-replies to this emailed reply, it now correctly pre-fills with Re:TopicB and the cycle is broken going forward.
  4c - If one notices and restores the subject to the correct one in their 4a online reply, online-replying to that reply pre-fills the correct subject now and the cycle is broken going forward.


Part-2: Another weird thing also happened with this topic merge so I included it in here even if it may not be directly related.  It broke threading, and it could be a side-effect from a recent fix.

Namely, one used email to reply to one of the original TopicA messages which by now had gotten moved (through the merge) to TopicB.  Their emailed reply of course still has TopicA in the subject.  You'd think it would thread under TopicA due to having the same subject and stop there, but maybe because the reply message's InReplyTo value is referencing a message which now belongs to a different topic and therefore subjects no longer match between those two, something didn't work right in threading so it just created a brand new topic, with the same exact TopicA title.

 

So there's a bit of a mess going on and I put these topics in moderation so I can manually adjust the subjects as they come in, or at least that's the idea.  This happened yesterday and so far I haven't gotten any new replies to either TopicA, TopicB, or cloned TopicA, so I don't know yet if changing the subject will help thread correctly into them going forward.  I was going to merge the cloned TopicA back into the original TopicA but I left it there for now for your examination if needed.

Cheers,
Christos

 


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moderated When editing a pending message, allow selection of notices when rejecting the message #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

If I use the check box next to a pending message and then click Reject, or view the message by clicking on the subject and then click Reject, I get the option to select one the pre-defined rejected message notices. However, if I edit the message and then click Reject, I do not get the option to select one of the pre-defined notices.  Can we include that selection option while editing a pending message please?

Thanks
Andy


moderated Merge subject retention problem and/or Broken threading problem #bug

 

Hi Mark,

I was trying to move some of the messages of one topic into another one as they had gone off-topic.

Part-1:  There is a bug somewhere in the merge process that causes merged messages to remember their previous (pre-merge topic) subject and use that to pre-fill the subject field when replying online.

To replicate this: (happened in an unmoderated group)

1. Split let's say half of the messages in a topic (eg. TopicA) into another one, let's say TempTopic

2. Merge the new TempTopic into another one, let's say TopicB

3. Go now into TopicB.  If you online-reply to any of the original already-existing TopicB messages, the subject gets correctly pre-filled with Re:TopicB.

4. But if you online-reply to any of the merged messages from the old TempTopic, the subject gets incorrectly pre-filled with Re:TempTopic instead of the correct Re:TopicB.  Then for this case:

  4a - If one doesn't notice this erroneous pre-filled subject and leaves it as such, the online reply does correctly thread under TopicB (and the email does go out with Re:TopicB).  But, any subsequent online replies to this online reply still persist in pre-filling the subject with the incorrect Re:TempTopic, unless the cycle is broken by correcting the reply subject, and going forward.  The previous merged messages and uncorrected-subject replies still keep remembering the incorrect subject if one online-replies to them later on.
  4b - If one email-replies to the email sent out from the 4a online reply, and one online-replies to this emailed reply, it now correctly pre-fills with Re:TopicB and the cycle is broken going forward.
  4c - If one notices and restores the subject to the correct one in their 4a online reply, online-replying to that reply pre-fills the correct subject now and the cycle is broken going forward.


Part-2: Another weird thing also happened with this topic merge so I included it in here even if it may not be directly related.  It broke threading, and it could be a side-effect from a recent fix.

Namely, one used email to reply to one of the original TopicA messages which by now had gotten moved (through the merge) to TopicB.  Their emailed reply of course still has TopicA in the subject.  You'd think it would thread under TopicA due to having the same subject and stop there, but maybe because the reply message's InReplyTo value is referencing a message which now belongs to a different topic and therefore subjects no longer match between those two, something didn't work right in threading so it just created a brand new topic, with the same exact TopicA title.

 

So there's a bit of a mess going on and I put these topics in moderation so I can manually adjust the subjects as they come in, or at least that's the idea.  This happened yesterday and so far I haven't gotten any new replies to either TopicA, TopicB, or cloned TopicA, so I don't know yet if changing the subject will help thread correctly into them going forward.  I was going to merge the cloned TopicA back into the original TopicA but I left it there for now for your examination if needed.

Cheers,
Christos

 


moderated Re: Allow manual sending of Monthly Reminder as a "notice type" in send member message #suggestion

 

Tried again. All I get is Group Guidelines and Pending Subscription. Odd. This topic should change to #bug.
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moderated Re: Allow manual sending of Monthly Reminder as a "notice type" in send member message #suggestion

 

I'm using the Member page, too. I'll try again. I've run a dozen tests already. Not sure what's going on...

On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 7:07 AM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 08:58 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
system would have to present them by name rather than by type
Yes, they're presented by Name.  I'm using the member page to Send Message, not the pending page, so that may be the difference, though it should be the same.  I have 4 of them that I use regularly.

Duane


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moderated Re: Allow manual sending of Monthly Reminder as a "notice type" in send member message #suggestion

Duane
 

On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 08:58 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
system would have to present them by name rather than by type
Yes, they're presented by Name.  I'm using the member page to Send Message, not the pending page, so that may be the difference, though it should be the same.  I have 4 of them that I use regularly.

Duane


moderated Re: Allow manual sending of Monthly Reminder as a "notice type" in send member message #suggestion

 

On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 04:36 AM, Duane wrote:
that can be selected from the list.
Well, they don't show up in the selections I see when I try to do Send Message. Maybe the issue is that, just as with Monthly Reminders, there can be more than one of them, so the system would have to present them by name rather than by type, and as of now, notices in Send Message are presented by type? So neither Monthly Reminders or Message to Members are showing up in Send Message? That would have to change to allow them be sent as a pre-fabbed message, i.e., they would have to be selected by name rather than by type. I think it's very worth doing. In fact, how, really, is the Message to Member type of any use at all if you can't choose it in Send Message?

Am I missing something crucial here? I don't see either one showing up.
 
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moderated Re: Allow manual sending of Monthly Reminder as a "notice type" in send member message #suggestion

Duane
 

On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 11:36 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
Send Message  only allows the pending member notice and the group guidelines as notice type to be sent
Just FYI, you can also create Message To Member types that can be selected from the list.

Duane


moderated Re: Automatic message deletion #misc

 

Topics are deleted, not individual messages. There's no individual member to notify. There is an activity log entry when the topic is deleted.
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moderated Allow manual sending of Monthly Reminder as a "notice type" in send member message #suggestion

 

I finally decided to take advantage of the Monthly Reminder feature. I went to great pains to create a notice in Word, pasted it in, and found that was not going to fly (monumental formatting screwups). So I typed it all in by hand. Then, just to be sure it was going to come out right, because I did use some formatting (although using the editor here), I tried to send it to myself as a notice using Send Message. I was surprised to find that Send Message  only allows the pending member notice and the group guidelines as notice type to be sent. So could this be added? It seems pretty akin to the group guidelines, which, like the monthly reminders, are sent monthly (or can be) but which can also be sent manually to any member at any time.
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