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moderated Re: Button Label Clarification for web site reply #suggestion

 

J wrote:

I think “Send to Sender” sounds weird for a specific reason, which is
that it creates a chronological conundrum, ... Yet they are not
sending the message to themselves.
I'm not fond of "Send to Sender" either, for much the same reason.

How about just "Send", with a fuller explanation in text below the button:
"Send your reply to the group" (button background is green).
"Send your reply only to the individual" (button background is blue).

Shal


moderated Re: Trying to add member notice with existing type and name fails to issue warning, does nothing, navigates poorly #bug

 

Mark,

One observation, I don't know if the notice list screen is supposed to remember what column sort the user has selected, but no matter what sort one selects, after updating or deleting a notice the list reverts back to the default sort of Type-Ascending.  Or alternatively, the parameter list displayed on the URL when one selects a column sort is not remembered or retained after notice update or delete.

Cheers,
Christos


moderated Re: Trying to add member notice with existing type and name fails to issue warning, does nothing, navigates poorly #bug

 

>>> what order are these sent out

Did some testing, and for whoever is interested and wants to control in what order the welcome notices are sent out, they are emailed oldest to newest, or same order shown onscreen if you sort on Updated ascending.

Cheers,
Christos


moderated Re: Button Label Clarification for web site reply #suggestion

 

I think “Send to Sender” sounds weird for a specific reason, which is that it creates a chronological conundrum, namely: the person doing the “Send” in “Send to Sender” is, at that point in time, himself or herself the “Sender.” Yet they are not sending the message to themselves. So I think this is  a mistake.


On Oct 7, 2021, at 5:52 PM, Christos Psarras <christos@...> wrote:

I was going to second "Send Private Message" as it's unambiguous (just as "Send to Group" is also unambiguous) but I see Mark already set it to "Send to Sender", so too late I guess :)

We could though change the laconic "Private" to "Private Message", or leave it as such and add "Private Message" as a tooltip.  That's closer to the PM acronym on social media.

Cheers,
Christos

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J

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My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Button Label Clarification for web site reply #suggestion

 

I was going to second "Send Private Message" as it's unambiguous (just as "Send to Group" is also unambiguous) but I see Mark already set it to "Send to Sender", so too late I guess :)

We could though change the laconic "Private" to "Private Message", or leave it as such and add "Private Message" as a tooltip.  That's closer to the PM acronym on social media.

Cheers,
Christos


moderated Re: Non-members becoming Past members? #misc

Andy
 

On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 08:28 PM, Christos Psarras wrote:
Wait, I thought they did show up, isn't that what Mark's statement means?

Hmm.  I even checked before writing what I did.  None of the banned members I checked are in the Past Members list.  However, there are other previously-banned members who are among Past Members, so I guess "it depends".  I lost track (too many bits for my feeble brain to hold onto), but I think there were changes to this policy, weren't there?  The most recently banned members are NOT on the Past Members list.

Andy


moderated Re: Non-members becoming Past members? #misc

 


On 2021-10-07 19:49, Andy via groups.io wrote:
Personally, I find it puzzling that previous members who are banned, do not appear on the Past Members list.  But that's just me.  I guess there's a policy reason for ignoring them when it comes to past members.

Wait, I thought they did show up, isn't that what Mark's statement means?

"Currently, when you ban an existing member of your group, that generates a past member record."

I haven't had the need to ban a member (so far), so to see what happens, I did a quick test with a test address I joined to one of my groups, then banned it, and it does show up in Past members.

Cheers,
Christos


moderated Re: Non-members becoming Past members? #misc

Andy
 

Personally, I find it puzzling that previous members who are banned, do not appear on the Past Members list.  But that's just me.  I guess there's a policy reason for ignoring them when it comes to past members.


moderated Re: Non-members becoming Past members? #misc

 

On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 04:42 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
My proposal is to eliminate the creation of a past member record when you unban someone. That fixes Andy's problem.
Unless it creates coding headaches and such, I'd suggest to finetune the proposal instead of doing it wholesale:  Eliminate the creation of a past member record only if you unban a banned address which was originally banned proactively (wasn't a member when banned+no past member record creation)

This leaves those out of the past member list screen entirely so it would still take care of Andy's problem, but would also preserve past member list inclusion for unbanned folks who were members when they were banned hence they should appear in that past member list screen.

Cheers,
Christos


moderated Re: Button Label Clarification for web site reply #suggestion

 

I don't like "Send Privately." I could live with "Send Private Message."

On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 3:26 PM JohnF via groups.io <johnf1686=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
How about "Send Privately"?

JohnF






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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Button Label Clarification for web site reply #suggestion

 

How about "Send Privately"?

JohnF


moderated Re: Non-members becoming Past members? #misc

Andy
 

On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 04:42 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
My proposal is to eliminate the creation of a past member record when you unban someone. That fixes Andy's problem.

I think that matches my expectation.  (Then again, what I think often does not jibe with what others think, or with the reasons behind something.)

If someone wasn't ever a member, I would think they should not appear on a list of members, past or otherwise.  Using the word "member" implies actual group membership, even if it really only means that you have a record of that address.

If this is being done only to satisfy my strange peculiarities, I'd say don't do it just for me.  Maybe it's a good thing to keep that record of an email address that was banned and unbanned.

Andy

 


moderated Re: Improved draft saving #update

Andy Wedge
 

On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 03:38 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
More detail please. Can you give me the exact steps to reproduce this? And which browser are you using?
 
I just opened a saved draft message on Beta and hit the discard button and got these two messages:



The draft message was discarded after a few seconds.

This was on Windows 10 using Firefox 93.0 (64-bit)

Andy


moderated Re: Button Label Clarification for web site reply #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 08:53 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Send to Sender changed to something else, because yes, that sounds a bit weird.
I still think what we had before this started was preferable.

Andy


moderated Re: Button Label Clarification for web site reply #suggestion

ro-esp
 

On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 10:05 PM, Dan Tucker wrote:


I see what’s going on here, and agree with J’s discussion.
But I don’t care for “Author”.
How about “Member” - that IS where it’s being directed - to that member.
Err... no. One typical trait of groups.io is that you can set the group to allow posts by non-members, and any reply to such a message/thread reply will go to the non-member in question

groetjes/ĝis, Ronaldo


moderated Re: Button Label Clarification for web site reply #suggestion

Duane
 

On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 03:07 PM, Mike Hanauer wrote:
solution might be to have two buttons to the left, one "Send to Group" and the other "Send to Sender"
That's what we had back in the early days.  Since group owners can decide what the default is - group, sender, both, moderators, or following only - having the other options somewhat hidden makes the most sense to me.

Duane


moderated Re: Button Label Clarification for web site reply #suggestion

Mike Hanauer
 

Understand. My thought is for you to stay true to your own (Groups.io) conventions which, IMHO, are among the most consistent and intuitive - you are now a force too. If you see a convention somewhere else that is clearly more intuitive, then go with it everywhere in Groups.io -- even if it takes time to implement. 

Yup, I'm a long term/big picture guy.

AllTheBest.

    ~Mike


On Thursday, October 7, 2021, 04:27:21 PM EDT, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:


On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 1:07 PM Mike Hanauer via groups.io <MGHanauer=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Another, perhaps better or easier/straighforward solution might be to have two buttons to the left, one "Send to Group" and the other "Send to Sender" - and eliminate the private button. "Discard" can stay, perhaps on the right.

I don't like the idea of adding another button. The Private button was an idea taken from Instagram, which given their number of users, I consider a standard.

Mark


moderated Re: Button Label Clarification for web site reply #suggestion

Chris Jones
 

On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 09:07 PM, Mike Hanauer wrote:
Another, perhaps better or easier/straighforward solution might be to have two buttons to the left, one "Send to Group" and the other "Send to Sender" - and eliminate the private button.
That suggestion removes a group Owner's ability to set the Default Reply Option (e.g. Group or Sender) for no obvious wider benefit. The ability to remove one or the other reply options might remain, but it still takes away a function that Owners currently have. How might they view that removal? A change of button or tab wording is one thing; a change in available functions is another matter entirely.

Chris


moderated Re: Non-members becoming Past members? #misc

 

Hi All,

Currently, when you ban an existing member of your group, that generates a past member record. If you proactively ban an email address (someone that is not currently a member of your group), that does not generate a past member record.

If you unban someone, regardless of whether that was a proactive or not ban, that also generates a past member record. This is basically a duplicate record (for members who had been banned).

My proposal is to eliminate the creation of a past member record when you unban someone. That fixes Andy's problem.

Please let me know what you think.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Button Label Clarification for web site reply #suggestion

 

On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 1:07 PM Mike Hanauer via groups.io <MGHanauer=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Another, perhaps better or easier/straighforward solution might be to have two buttons to the left, one "Send to Group" and the other "Send to Sender" - and eliminate the private button. "Discard" can stay, perhaps on the right.

I don't like the idea of adding another button. The Private button was an idea taken from Instagram, which given their number of users, I consider a standard.

Mark

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