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moderated Re: Subgroup Category setting changes do not stick #bug

 

On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 1:06 PM Ry Jones <rjones@...> wrote:

When setting group categories in the admin interface, the UI reports success, but the value is not updated.

This should be fixed now.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Editing Photos has less capability than editing Files #bug

Andy
 

Trying to change a Photo's Owner (in my group) is completely useless today.  If I click on the choice for Owner, Google Chrome times out several seconds later and shows a pop-up window that reads:

Page Unresponsive
You can wait for it to become responsive or exit the page.
Wait    Exit page

It always takes longer than that (>20 sec), so I never reach the display of member names.  If I click "Wait", or just wait for it to become responsive, the pop-up window with names appears briefly and immediately disappears.

I wanted to try the suggestion to start typing a member's name.  That's not going to happen.  I may have to wait until late tonight when people have gone to bed.

Andy


moderated Enhance the Owner dropdown functionality when editing a photo #suggestion

 

Hi Mark,

This suggestion is related to this topic, https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/editing_photos_has_less/86042121 and I thought I'd create a new topic as I also have gone through the same issue before.

>>>
if you know the first letter of the wanted member's Display Name operating that key repeatedly will scroll through all those with that as the initial letter of their Display Name, ignoring all those with a different initial letter.
Still a bit tedious, but better than having to go through the entire list.
<<<

What would really make things easy/quick in using that dropdown (and possibly any same dropdown in other areas) is if it allowed slower typing of a partial or full name/address value with the subsequent full-value matching as you type, and/or an outright Ctrl-V paste and match.

It kind-of already "supports" both in a sense, as if one let's say is looking for username Peter (and for the sake of argument assume the group has only one), if they type that ultra-ultra-fast, it will find it right away.  But it took me 5 tries to be able to type it fast enough so it matched right away, all it took was to either make a mistake or be too slow and it would now jump and match on the mistaken or slow-typed letter, so unless if all users have few-letter usernames and one is an ultra-fast typist, forget trying to quickly match on username, let alone email address.  Trying to do a bunch of these owner re-assignments currently in a group with thousands of members can be time-consuming.

I don't know how much work it would require to make it match to the whole typed value as it gets typed, but I think just adding support for Ctrl-V pasting of a value after the dropdown has been opened should hopefully be easy and quick to implement, and it would make assigning the Owner instantaneous pretty-much, since when we mods assign/change owner we already know who it's going to be assigned to so we can have the pertinent (username or email address) value already copied.

Or alternatively, anything else you might think you can tweak or enhance in this dropdown that would help streamline things would also be appreciated.

Cheers,
Christos


moderated Re: Editing Photos has less capability than editing Files #bug

Andy
 

On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 12:16 PM, Duane wrote:
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The easiest way is to use your browser's Find function.  In Firefox that's Ctrl-F, then type in part/all of the name or email address.
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By default, the newest members are listed first, but you can always click on a column header to re-sort.

I don't think we are talking about the same thing.

There are no column headers to click on.  There is only the one column, and no header.  It seems to be showing a mixture of email addresses for some, and names for others.  I guess maybe it shows the Display Name if it exists, or the address if not.

Using my browser's Find function does not help.  The moment I press ctrl-F, the pop-up window with names disappears, as I expected it would.  Using Find while the pop-up window is hidden does not work, as expected.

Now mind you, I did not really want to change a Photo's Owner.  I just noted that it is what delays the Name and Description edit boxes from appearing -- also, that you can't change a File's Owner.  I hardly ever thought about changing a Photo's Owner or a File's Owner before, but I could see why someone might want to do that, to have more complete control over Files or Photos once they've been uploaded.

Andy


moderated Re: Editing Photos has less capability than editing Files #bug

 

On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 11:16 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
if you know the first letter of the wanted member's Display Name operating that key repeatedly will scroll through all those with that as the initial letter of their Display Name, ignoring all those with a different initial letter.

Still a bit tedious, but better than having to go through the entire list.
You're right, better than nothing!  But what would really make things easy/quick in that dropdown (and also the same dropdown in Files) is if it allowed slower typing of a partial or full name/address value with the subsequent matching as you type, and/or an outright Ctrl-V paste and match. 

I mean, it kind of already "supports" both in a sense, as if one let's say is looking for username Peter (and for the sake of argument assume the group has only one), if they type that ultra-ultra-fast, it will find it right away.  But it took me 5 tries to be able to type it fast enough so it matched right away, all it took was to either make a mistake or be too slow and it would now jump and match on the mistaken or slow-typed letter, so unless if all users have few-letter usernames and you are a ultra-fast typist, forget trying to quickly match on username, let alone email address...

I don't know how much work it would require to make it match to the whole typed value as it gets typed, but I think just adding support for Ctrl-V pasting of a value after the dropdown has been opened should be easy and quick and it would make assigning the Owner instantaneous pretty-much since when we mods assign/change owner we already know who it's going to be assigned to so we can have the pertinent value (username or emaill addy) already copied.

I just posted this as a suggestion in a new topic.

Cheers,
Christos


moderated Subgroup Category setting changes do not stick #bug

Ry Jones
 

Hi,
When setting group categories in the admin interface, the UI reports success, but the value is not updated.

For instance, when I go here: https://lists.hyperledger.org/g/firefly/settings and set the Subgroup Category to "Project", the UI says the setting was saved, but the list does not show up in the list of Projects, and the Category is still set to "--"
Ry

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Community Architect, Hyperledger


moderated Moderator permissions and documentation inconsistencies #bug

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

when setting permissions for a moderator in a subgroup, the documentation states that the Invite Members option is not shown.  This is correct but what is shown is an Add Members option and when this is set, a Moderator of a subgroup actually sees both Add and Invite options.

The ability to invite members to join a subgroup and have them automatically added to the main group was part of the Site Updates announcement on 09-Feb-19 in #19741.  There were several comments at the time in the topic Invite people to subgroups with concerns about this (me included - and also in #19765)  so I'll take this as another opportunity to request that the Add and Invite permissions for a subgroup Moderator are separated so that just the Add from the main group membership list can be granted.

Regards
Andy


moderated Re: Editing Photos has less capability than editing Files #bug

Chris Jones
 

On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 04:02 PM, Andy wrote:
Even if I could master the timing between mouse clicks and response of the popup menu (30 seconds later),
Odd; when I try the response is as near instantaneous as it can be. IMHO your 30 second delay requires further investigation.

the list is not in any apparent order.  They are definitely not alphabetical.
No they aren't, and I am not sure what the display order actually is.

  Searching through thousands of members in an unsorted list is, um, pointless.

Yes it would be, but... if you know the first letter of the wanted member's Display Name operating that key repeatedly will scroll through all those with that as the initial letter of their Display Name, ignoring all those with a different initial letter.

Still a bit tedious, but better than having to go through the entire list.

Some care is required; AFAIK there is no "back" function so if you overshoot the person you are looking for you have to start all over again. (There is no need to ask me how I know this...)

Chris


moderated Re: Editing Photos has less capability than editing Files #bug

Andy
 

On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 10:46 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
To me this prompts the question what device are you using and how is it connected to the internet? Also perhaps how long is your member list?

I am using a laptop with Windows with a wireless connection to a router 10 feet away.  I often get throughput speeds (not connection speeds, but movement of actual data) of 60-140 Mb/s, as much as 200 Mb/s on a good day.

It is quite a long member list.

It's pretty much useless to try to choose someone from the member list.  Even if I could master the timing between mouse clicks and response of the popup menu (30 seconds later), the list is not in any apparent order.  They are definitely not alphabetical.  Searching through thousands of members in an unsorted list is, um, pointless.

Andy


moderated Re: Editing Photos has less capability than editing Files #bug

Chris Jones
 

On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 06:25 PM, Andy wrote:
Apparently, it waits while loading the full list of members into the drop-down menu, before showing the Name and Description edit boxes.  I'm using Google Chrome. <snip>  I didn't wait long enough.  I had to wait another 20-30 seconds for the memberlist to load.
To me this prompts the question what device are you using and how is it connected to the internet? Also perhaps how long is your member list?

I tried the sequence you did, but everything happens so fast that by the time I scroll down to the Edit tab the list is downloaded (1800+ members) and everything is ready to go.

For the record I am using Win10 + FF 92.0.1 on a desktop, connected to the router by Ethernet cable and with a download speed (just tested before starting to type!) of 73 Mb/s.

Chris


moderated Re: iOS app - photos bug? #bug

 

On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 6:50 PM KWKloeber via groups.io <KWKloeber=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

1) It appears that after inserting s photo in line there’s no way to edit it (size, etc.)?

2) It appears that after tapping on and opening a photo (full screen) that has been posted in a message, there’s no way to “X out” or back up to the message.  The only way I’ve found is to crash out of the app, reopen it and start all over. 


In the future, please post all App bug reports to the app@beta.groups.io subgroup.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated "Recent Bounces" page entries do not indicate group for Digests #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

Mark -- When I go to the Recent Bounces page at https://groups.io/account?page=bounces, I see that Digest #449 bounced on Sept 15. That's all. It would be handy if these entries included the Subject Tag or the group name or some indication as to what group this bounce originated from so I can go there and read what I missed.

Thanks for your consideration,
Bruce


moderated Re: iOS app - photos bug? #bug

RCardona
 

On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 09:50 PM, KWKloeber wrote:
2) It appears that after tapping on and opening a photo (full screen) that has been posted in a message, there’s no way to “X out” or back up to the message.  The only way I’ve found is to crash out of the app, reopen it and start all over. 
Previously addressed here:  https://beta.groups.io/g/app/topic/85541517#659

Mark:  "Until I can develop a better fix, to go back you'll need to swipe right from off the left side of the page." 

It may require a few attempts, but this does work.

Robert


moderated Re: "Override: not moderated" does not work when using moderated hashtags #bug

 


Marina,

I don’t think that P should be the default setting fir group owners. 

But what you noticed is indeed a bug. You can even find this in the Help description of this setting. 


On Oct 4, 2021, at 12:18 AM, Marina <moderatore@...> wrote:

Shal Farley:
So what you have is more of a #suggestion to change the meaning of this
control, or to create additional controls for overriding other causes of
moderation.

I apologize for the wrong tag, I couldn't, and still can't, see any reason for the present restricted behaviour so I thought it was a bug.
I agree with Catlady that the override should do its work and include even threads moderated via hashtag.

I don't remember if I chose myself this posting privilege, but I think it should be the default setting for group owners to give them total control over the group.

I hope that Mark will consider this suggestion.
Have a nice week everybody,
Marina

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: "Override: not moderated" does not work when using moderated hashtags #bug

Marina
 

Shal Farley:
So what you have is more of a #suggestion to change the meaning of this
control, or to create additional controls for overriding other causes of
moderation.

I apologize for the wrong tag, I couldn't, and still can't, see any reason for the present restricted behaviour so I thought it was a bug.
I agree with Catlady that the override should do its work and include even threads moderated via hashtag.

I don't remember if I chose myself this posting privilege, but I think it should be the default setting for group owners to give them total control over the group.

I hope that Mark will consider this suggestion.
Have a nice week everybody,
Marina


moderated iOS app - photos bug? #bug

KWKloeber
 

1) It appears that after inserting s photo in line there’s no way to edit it (size, etc.)?

2) It appears that after tapping on and opening a photo (full screen) that has been posted in a message, there’s no way to “X out” or back up to the message.  The only way I’ve found is to crash out of the app, reopen it and start all over. 


moderated Re: "Override: not moderated" does not work when using moderated hashtags #bug

 

On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 10:47 AM, Shal Farley wrote:

That is by design: the member Posting Privilege Overrides override only the group's Moderation setting, not any of the other things which may cause a message to be moderated.
Shal,

That's not correct. It overrides moderated threads. This was a requested (by me) and implemented change long ago. And it should also therefore override threads moderated via hashtag.
 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: "Override: not moderated" does not work when using moderated hashtags #bug

 

Marina,

So, apparently, Posting *is not* always allowed and the "Override: Not
moderated" privilege does not override moderated hashtags.
Correct.

That is by design: the member Posting Privilege Overrides override only the group's Moderation setting, not any of the other things which may cause a message to be moderated. This is suggested by the fact that the only non-Override is "Use Group Moderation Setting". Perhaps this needs to be said more explicitly with an explanatory text under the control.

So what you have is more of a #suggestion to change the meaning of this control, or to create additional controls for overriding other causes of moderation.

Shal


moderated Re: Editing Photos has less capability than editing Files #bug

Andy
 

No, wait -- I see the problem now.

Apparently, it waits while loading the full list of members into the drop-down menu, before showing the Name and Description edit boxes.  I'm using Google Chrome.  I kept trying other photos, and none of them seemed to allow me to change the photo name or add a description.  I didn't wait long enough.  I had to wait another 20-30 seconds for the memberlist to load.  Nevermind!

Still wondering, though, why we can change the Owner of a Photo, but not the Owner of a File.

Andy


moderated Re: Editing Photos has less capability than editing Files #bug

Andy
 

I am logged in and have full permissions.  Where are the other choices?

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