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moderated Re: Non-members becoming Past members? #misc

 

On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 01:23 PM, Bob Bellizzi wrote:
Me too, I vote with you Julie, I mean Catlady <g>
No idea what you're talking about. My name is not Julie anyway. But your "vote" is welcome.
 
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moderated Re: Non-members becoming Past members? #misc

Bob Bellizzi
 

On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 12:47 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I “vote” for keeping it as is and ignoring what you’re not interested in.
Me too, I vote with you Julie, I mean Catlady <g>

 
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moderated Web/App notifications mean emails are not necessary #misc

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

I've been pushing use the of app to my group members and it has had a positive response. I've had comments saying that as they get the notifications they need and read messages via the app, how do they stop the email delivery? From their point of view, the email is redundant now. I did some testing and realised that notifications are only sent in cases where Groups.io emails you the text of a message at some point so that means if you have subscription settings of Individual Messages, either of the Digest formats or Special Notices.  If you have a Daily Summary, the text of messages is not included so no notifications are sent for messages that would be listed in the summary. I have the 'No email' option disabled in my group so I expect you don't get them then either.  As far as I can see, the simplest thing a member can do to still receive notifications via the app but reduce email traffic is to select one of the digest formats.

Is there any alternative or anything in the pipeline that would allow a greater separation between app notifications and emails?

Thanks
Andy


moderated Re: Non-members becoming Past members? #misc

 

It currently includes all “members” who were rejected. I would definitely like to keep those in this list, or some list, no matter what it’s called. And there are other situations involving the way this is set up internally. I think it would would require a major revamp in order not to mess up some of those other things (which I can’t list at the top of my head right now). I “vote” for keeping it as is and ignoring what you’re not interested in. You can always see why they’re in the list by the “history” column. 


On Sep 30, 2021, at 12:35 PM, Andy <AI.egrps+io@...> wrote:

Hmm.  I have a use for seeing who are Past members.  I believe I have no reason to see a list of others who are not Past members.

I vote for keeping the name the same ("Past" members) and changing how it works so that it fits the name.

Andy

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moderated Re: Non-members becoming Past members? #misc

Andy
 

Hmm.  I have a use for seeing who are Past members.  I believe I have no reason to see a list of others who are not Past members.

I vote for keeping the name the same ("Past" members) and changing how it works so that it fits the name.

Andy


moderated Re: Non-members becoming Past members? #misc

 

On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 12:24 PM, Mike Hanauer wrote:
I can't find an option to see past members.
It's not available to basic groups.
 
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moderated Re: Non-members becoming Past members? #misc

Mike Hanauer
 

I can't find an option to see past members.

Where is that? Is it not in all versions?

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On Thursday, September 30, 2021, 03:19:29 PM EDT, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:


There are several anomalies along these lines. I think every email address that ever had some kind of record in the group is called a "past" member. It might be good to find another word besides "past," but I'd have to think about what it could be.
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moderated Re: Non-members becoming Past members? #misc

 

There are several anomalies along these lines. I think every email address that ever had some kind of record in the group is called a "past" member. It might be good to find another word besides "past," but I'd have to think about what it could be.
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moderated Non-members becoming Past members? #misc

Andy
 

Groups.io lets you ban an email address even if it does not belong to a current group member.  From time to time I ban addresses of people who are not my group's members yet.  OK, maybe I am abusing the "ban" function.  I'm trying to either make sure they can't join, or trying to give the hint that their repeated messages are not wanted.  Recently I did some house-cleaning and un-banned some addresses that I realized were temporary.

To my surprise, those un-banned addresses now appear as Past Members, even though they never were members.

This doesn't seem right.

The other thing is that some banned members who WERE group members, do not show up as Past Members.

Andy
(who realizes someone should probably break the "Ban User" button on his computer)


moderated Attachment fails with special character in file name #bug

Samuel Murrayy
 

Hello

I this message:
https://groups.io/g/zalang/message/65905
...I sent an attachment to a list with this file name:
1983, Potgieter en Prozesky, 8 pages - Verklarende woordelys van terme in die molekulêre biologie
and the attachment's link is broken.

In the mail that I received in my e-mail program, I see this in the footer:

Attachments:
en Prozesky, 8 pages - Verklarende woordelys van terme in die molekul&#65533;re biologie.pdf: https://groups.io/g/zalang/attachment/65905/2

The character ê is not that unusual.  Surely this wouldn't be the problem?

Samuel


moderated Re: Count mod-edited approval as an approved message #suggestion

Andy
 

On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 02:12 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Please send me off-list the email addresses of the members involved and the subjects of the emails, and I'll investigate.

Done.

Andy


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 01:21 PM, Christos Psarras wrote:
Oh, you mean it says "new subject" now?
 
Oh no, sorry about that, it's what I used in my testing
Well, that's a possibly useful addition to the log entry, namely, include the fact that it's a new topic by virtue of a change of subject via email. In my case, I couldn't understand at first why the message threaded in email to the group member's old topic, but didn't thread in the group. We explicitly try to get group members not to do this (it's in our guidelines, not that anyone reads them....)
 
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moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 


>>>Oh, you mean it says "new subject" now?
 
Oh no, sorry about that, it's what I used in my testing for this issue for visual ID help when looking at the topics, I guess I could have edited it a bit before posting. 

I also didn't realize the log entry was already there, I guess I missed it, the lighting in the cave is awful.



moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 12:35 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
NEW SUBJECT in reply message
Oh, you mean it says "new subject" now? I don't know if that was happening before. The part about "set to moderate the first message in a topic and this message is starting a new topic" was already there. Which, I agree, is great. It's just missing "QED." ;)
 
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moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 12:24 PM, Christos Psarras wrote:
One nice effect of this bug fix is the log now states the condition explicitly:

xyz sent message "NEW SUBJECT in reply message" requiring approval because the group is set to moderate the first message in a topic and this message is starting a new topic, via web.
It already did that prior to the fix.
 
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moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

One nice effect of this bug fix is the log now states the condition explicitly:

xyz sent message "NEW SUBJECT in reply message" requiring approval because the group is set to moderate the first message in a topic and this message is starting a new topic, via web.


>>> if you fixed Christos's bug after mine (which I think was the case)

He was taught good manners, (overthinking) Ladies first.  
 
[no worries, I already know the way back to the cave]


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

Me, overthink? Lol! 

Thanks, my inner cat is now satisfied! 😊


On Sep 25, 2021, at 8:53 AM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:


J,

On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 8:48 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Thanks for indulging me in this by providing an explanation! I am still befuddled as to why, if you fixed Christos's bug after mine (which I think was the case), his bug - "changed-title moderated thread is moderated" -didn't apply to my situation. I did have a changed-title moderated thread, which was then logged as moderated (although it wasn't). Curioser and curioser. If you don't want to say any more about this, I completely understand! I've always been overly curious. Like the cat. ;)
 

I think you're overthinking this. With your bug, a flag wasn't being properly reset, so some aspects of your message were treated like a new topic and some were treated like a reply to an existing topic. Christos' bug was that we were checking two different things in the wrong order.

Mark

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moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

J,

On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 8:48 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Thanks for indulging me in this by providing an explanation! I am still befuddled as to why, if you fixed Christos's bug after mine (which I think was the case), his bug - "changed-title moderated thread is moderated" -didn't apply to my situation. I did have a changed-title moderated thread, which was then logged as moderated (although it wasn't). Curioser and curioser. If you don't want to say any more about this, I completely understand! I've always been overly curious. Like the cat. ;)
 

I think you're overthinking this. With your bug, a flag wasn't being properly reset, so some aspects of your message were treated like a new topic and some were treated like a reply to an existing topic. Christos' bug was that we were checking two different things in the wrong order.

Mark


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 08:34 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
It was an internal flag that wasn't being reset properly during processing of the message when we detected the subject change, leading to the improper handling of the message.
 
Christos' bug was a completely separate bug.
Mark,

Thanks for indulging me in this by providing an explanation! I am still befuddled as to why, if you fixed Christos's bug after mine (which I think was the case), his bug - "changed-title moderated thread is moderated" -didn't apply to my situation. I did have a changed-title moderated thread, which was then logged as moderated (although it wasn't). Curioser and curioser. If you don't want to say any more about this, I completely understand! I've always been overly curious. Like the cat. ;)
 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 9:05 PM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

This is working now, but - this is most and just a matter of curiosity  - I am still utterly confused about what happened and what was changed!  

It was an internal flag that wasn't being reset properly during processing of the message when we detected the subject change, leading to the improper handling of the message.

Christos' bug was a completely separate bug.

Mark

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