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moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 12:24 PM, Christos Psarras wrote:
One nice effect of this bug fix is the log now states the condition explicitly:

xyz sent message "NEW SUBJECT in reply message" requiring approval because the group is set to moderate the first message in a topic and this message is starting a new topic, via web.
It already did that prior to the fix.
 
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moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

One nice effect of this bug fix is the log now states the condition explicitly:

xyz sent message "NEW SUBJECT in reply message" requiring approval because the group is set to moderate the first message in a topic and this message is starting a new topic, via web.


>>> if you fixed Christos's bug after mine (which I think was the case)

He was taught good manners, (overthinking) Ladies first.  
 
[no worries, I already know the way back to the cave]


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

Me, overthink? Lol! 

Thanks, my inner cat is now satisfied! 😊


On Sep 25, 2021, at 8:53 AM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:


J,

On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 8:48 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Thanks for indulging me in this by providing an explanation! I am still befuddled as to why, if you fixed Christos's bug after mine (which I think was the case), his bug - "changed-title moderated thread is moderated" -didn't apply to my situation. I did have a changed-title moderated thread, which was then logged as moderated (although it wasn't). Curioser and curioser. If you don't want to say any more about this, I completely understand! I've always been overly curious. Like the cat. ;)
 

I think you're overthinking this. With your bug, a flag wasn't being properly reset, so some aspects of your message were treated like a new topic and some were treated like a reply to an existing topic. Christos' bug was that we were checking two different things in the wrong order.

Mark

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moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

J,

On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 8:48 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Thanks for indulging me in this by providing an explanation! I am still befuddled as to why, if you fixed Christos's bug after mine (which I think was the case), his bug - "changed-title moderated thread is moderated" -didn't apply to my situation. I did have a changed-title moderated thread, which was then logged as moderated (although it wasn't). Curioser and curioser. If you don't want to say any more about this, I completely understand! I've always been overly curious. Like the cat. ;)
 

I think you're overthinking this. With your bug, a flag wasn't being properly reset, so some aspects of your message were treated like a new topic and some were treated like a reply to an existing topic. Christos' bug was that we were checking two different things in the wrong order.

Mark


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 08:34 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
It was an internal flag that wasn't being reset properly during processing of the message when we detected the subject change, leading to the improper handling of the message.
 
Christos' bug was a completely separate bug.
Mark,

Thanks for indulging me in this by providing an explanation! I am still befuddled as to why, if you fixed Christos's bug after mine (which I think was the case), his bug - "changed-title moderated thread is moderated" -didn't apply to my situation. I did have a changed-title moderated thread, which was then logged as moderated (although it wasn't). Curioser and curioser. If you don't want to say any more about this, I completely understand! I've always been overly curious. Like the cat. ;)
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 9:05 PM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

This is working now, but - this is most and just a matter of curiosity  - I am still utterly confused about what happened and what was changed!  

It was an internal flag that wasn't being reset properly during processing of the message when we detected the subject change, leading to the improper handling of the message.

Christos' bug was a completely separate bug.

Mark


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 09:05 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
this is most
should read "this is moot"
 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 08:10 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
For a first message in new topic moderated group, if a message comes in that is a reply to an existing topic but the subject has been changed, creating a new topic, we were not properly moderating the message.
Mark,

This is working now, but - this is most and just a matter of curiosity  - I am still utterly confused about what happened and what was changed!  The message with the changed title did (even before the bug fix, whatever it was) require approval. The weirdnesses were (a) the  log stated the message required approval because the topic was moderated, but (b) the new (changed-title) topic was *not* actually moderated (bore no moderation icon). Which is weirder yet, because Christos apparently reported a legitimate bug that changed-title topics from moderated topics were moderated when they should not have been (now fixed), but in my case, the changed-title topic was NOT actually moderated! Maybe this is just a very weird series of double-negatives, or bugs cancelling each other out, or something. It's all fine now but I am extremely curious what happened....
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

September 24, 2021:

  • BUGFIX: Replies to moderated topics that start new topics were getting moderated by mistake. Discussion
  • DOCS: Updates from Nina.

September 23, 2021:

  • NEW: Added REFRESH-INTERVAL and X-PUBLISHED-TTL lines to calendar .ics files.
  • BUGFIX: For a first message in new topic moderated group, if a message comes in that is a reply to an existing topic but the subject has been changed, creating a new topic, we were not properly moderating the message. Dicussion
  • BUGFIX: If a moderator switches a member from HTML Digest delivery to another delivery format, a plain text digest was generated of any pending digest messages instead of an HTML digest.

September 22, 2021:

  • NEW: Added tooltips to the locked, moderated, sticky, and topic follower only icons in the archives. Discussion
  • NEW: Labeled filter buttons with the word Filter. Discussion
  • NEW: Added activity log entries for adding/removing banned domains. Discussion
  • NEW: Activity log entries for messages that are moderated because the member is set to NuM now say the user is new member moderated. Discussion

September 21, 2021:

  • NEW: In pending message moderator notification emails, now include the reason why the message is moderated.
  • BUGFIX: Refactor the smptd process and fix a bug where the wrong group name was included in an error message when a message was sent to multiple groups.
  • BUGFIX: Moderators with the Billing permission but not the Paid Subscriptions/Donations permission did not have the Billing tab in the sidebar.

September 20, 2021:

  • CHANGE: - Changed formatting of Help Center page to fix issues on mobile and with the app. Discussion
  • INTERNAL: - Cap the number of bounce records per person in the database to 20.

The next #changelog post will be on October 1st.

Take care everyone.

Mark


moderated Re: Happy Anniversary! #misc

 

Late to the party but many more Happy Anniversaries to come!

What I really like about it is that the management is honest and really cares for their product, that makes all the difference in the world.

Cheers,
Christos


moderated Re: Replies to moderated topics which end up starting new topics still get moderated #bug

 

On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 4:30 PM Christos Psarras <christos@...> wrote:

1. Group setting (and membership) is set to unmoderated.
2. A particular topic (TopicOLD) is manually set to moderated by the mod.
3. A user pulls the old "too lazy to create a new topic" switcheroo and they click on Reply to one of those (now moderated) TopicOLD messages, either through email or online, changes the subject to a new one, adds the text, and sends it as a "new" to them topic, but which as we know now contains the In-Reply-To: entry referencing a message which now points to a moderated topic.
4. When the message is parsed, the new-topic subject rules are applied but it seems the in-reply-to rules are also applied.
5. This causes the message to correctly create a new topic (TopicNEW) which technically should not be moderated as it's a new topic, but the message still ends up in the pending queue.

This should be fixed now.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated enable moderator to change table owner #suggestion

Peter Cook
 

In my neighborhood group we have a database that is managed by one of our members. That person is moving and a new person will take over. However, the only way to enable the new person to manage the database is to make her a moderator, which I don't want to do. It would be hugely helpful if there were an option in the table permissions block to change the table owner to someone else.

Thank you,
Pete


moderated Preserve database "updated" field when exporting and importing #suggestion

Peter Cook
 

I have a need to export and then reimport a database table. I notice that when I do that, the updated field for every record in the imported table changes to the current date and time. Is it possible to change this so the field remains the same as it was in the original database? 

Thanks!
{Pete


moderated Re: Follow This Topic - just Do It #suggestion

 

On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 6:02 AM David Ferrington, M0XDF <M0XDF@...> wrote:
If I click the 'Follow This Topic' link at the bottom of an email, I get taken to a page that asks me to confirm I want to follow the topic - why can't the system just do it and not require it to launch a page and me have to confirm?

We have to do that because some anti-spam firewalls will automatically click on every link in every received email.

Cheers,
Mark 


moderated Follow This Topic - just Do It #suggestion

David Ferrington, M0XDF
 

If I click the 'Follow This Topic' link at the bottom of an email, I get taken to a page that asks me to confirm I want to follow the topic - why can't the system just do it and not require it to launch a page and me have to confirm?


moderated Re: Happy Anniversary! #misc

David Haun
 

Yep, Groups.io is the best platform in the world.
Davíd


moderated Re: Replies to moderated topics which end up starting new topics still get moderated #bug

 

Mark,

When the dust settles on all of this, I'd be interested in knowing what was fixed/changed. Are retitled moderated topics no longer moderated (if they actually ever were, per this thread, rather than just being a possible log error, per my group's problem?) etc.

Thanks!
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Replies to moderated topics which end up starting new topics still get moderated #bug

 

On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 11:04 AM Christos Psarras <christos@...> wrote:
Please send me the details off-list and I'll investigate: email address of the sender and the URL of the message in the archives. 
Just saw your "bug found" message, I guess you don't need that info anymore, right?

Your's may be a different bug. I'd still like to investigate.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Replies to moderated topics which end up starting new topics still get moderated #bug

 

Hi Mark,

Please send me the details off-list and I'll investigate: email address of the sender and the URL of the message in the archives. 
Just saw your "bug found" message, I guess you don't need that info anymore, right?

Cheers,
Christos


moderated Re: Replies to moderated topics which end up starting new topics still get moderated #bug

 

On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 10:17 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
Thanks, done.

Got it. Found the bug and it's been fixed.

Thanks,
Mark 

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